Ho ho ho and a bottle of Tokaj! - A Magyar civ

@cool3a2. I usually ignore the accented letters simply because my keyboard does not support the character set and I am too lazy to find a work around. I don't know that there is an alternate representation (like in German ue for the u umlaut or ss for the scharfes s). I figure you will understand.

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Of course. Only a hint: left to the backspace key there is a key showing ` (at least on a german keyboard). If you press this and then a, i, o and so on it should work. Only ö and ü are not compatible...

But back to the topic. I am fed up with this UB problem as well, but I ca't see a solution for it... Don't know what Kabcsi thinks about the library... I have no idea what its name could be. The MTA Fabatka mentions we have already discussed (no problem Fabatka, the thread is already long, it's hard to read all the post to get this information). A totally other thing that isn't solved yet, are the leaders diplomatic texts. Kabcsi wanted to handle this, but his last post is already long time ago. If he would say he don't want to do this anymore or it will still take a long time, I would post the mod without that. On the other hand I don't really want to update that again 3 days later if Kabcsi would have finished it then...

BTW: I made some changes do Szent Istváns skin. Zervers great LH's unfortunately often have strong colours which I don't like. I have changed the hair to something gray like and I made that ligth blue part a bit darker. I personally like it. I'll do some more minor changes to it and then I'll post it here. If you don't like it, we'll take the current one.

UPDATE:
Okay, here it is (forgott to mention that I have changed the eyes as well):


What do you think?

Okay, I've done a search for some graphics for the library (which doesn't mean that I am convinced now...) and found more for the other ideas too.

library:
- first (it's a bit big, maybe I could change the colour of the roof to red and the wall to grey...)
- second (the balcony doesn't fit... maybe I can change this ones colours too)

csárda: click (not perfect, but enough for now)

stable: click

winery: click (I think I could change that label)

Latest idea I had (but it's ridiculous) is a Túrórudi factory... I heard a story that Madonna loved Túrórudi when she was in Budapest to make "Evita", don't know if it's true... That building could improve , , and ...

cool3a2 said:

BTW: I made some changes do Szent Istváns skin. Zervers great LH's unfortunately often have strong colours which I don't like. I have changed the hair to something gray like and I made that ligth blue part a bit darker. I personally like it. I'll do some more minor changes to it and then I'll post it here. If you don't like it, we'll take the current one.

UPDATE:
Okay, here it is (forgott to mention that I have changed the eyes as well):

What do you think?

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I like it very much. I might even borrow it once released.

Hi,

I also haven't been following all the posts, but have we dropped the végvár idea? Just a question.

On the other hand, I would very strongly advocate to have a two-color flag with the double cross instead of the currently used HU flag. This was mentioned a few pages back. I think that the two-color flag simply looks much better (I like simple things), and it also blends in much better with all the flags of the other nations in vanilla bts. Would it be possible?

@avain: sure, you can use it.

@colee: we haven't really dropped it, but it is less requested. I've done a search for graphics for it as well some time ago. I have to say that it would be a weak UB. I had a test game yesterday and the only reason for building them more than 2 or 3 times, was because a quest needed it.

In the same test game I recognized that I can't build the hungarian parliament. I already had this problem, but I forgot that. The reason is, that I set <bGovernmentCenter> to 1. Now the problem that occurs is the following (I think): the palace is needed first to be able to build the parliament, but it is already a government center too. So the game says the parliament isn't needed in the capital city, thus it doesn't occur in the cities build list. In any other city it occurs, but it is grey because there is no palace. Once I build a palace in an other city I can't build the parliament there no more. Unfortunatly the <bGovernmentCenter> tag is also responsible for the lowering maintenance cost property. I'll request help for that at civfanatics, maybe this property can be reached through an other tag, too. Otherwise the parliament won't have it...

BTW: Ekmek seems to think about creating an animated Kossuth LH...

so what about the 2-color flag?

Oh yeah... the flag. I and you, Kabcsi and avain will know the double cross on the flag, maybe our colleagues from America, too. But I guess most other Player won't recognize that it stands for Hungary and I like this one more. Don't know what the others think... Why being grasping with colors? Well, it might be outstanding, because all the other flags are only bicolor. For me this is no problem, I can find it even faster this way.

Honestly? Most people in America or most countries of Western Europe have never even heard about Hungary.

I spent a year in the US and I had to keep explaining that, no, we don't ride sheep in Hungary, and yes, you CAN buy ice cream in Hungary. After a while, I just gave up.

So, for those having no relationship with Hungary, I guess it really doesn't matter which flag we use.

But this is just an opinion, I really am not trying to force my opinion on anyone else, much less the creators of this mod who put lots of energy and time into making this happen.

@avain: here is the link to the Szent István files. Don't know if you have recognized that, but there is some kind of strange shadow above his crown when he moves his head. I try to fix that currently, don't know if I will be successful (nif files are a bit odd: hard to make changes to them because importing them to blender doesn't really works). Ekmek and sniperrabbit tried to help me, that's why I uploaded the full package, not only the texture. If you want you can wait some days till I am sure if I can fix that somehow or not. I would post the files again then.


@colee: after what happened in 2006 I think the hungarian flag is better known now then before, at least in europe. On the other hand I have to say that in Germany, at least in East Germany, they know Hungary. This is because it is a favored holiday destination. For the older one because there where few alternatives during cold war, for the younger ones because it's relatively cheap (well, not for Hungarians anymore). The second thing is, that there are always stupid people in every country. I've seen that people didn't know the difference between Russia's and Turkey's flag although there are a lot of Turks in Berlin or Cologne. The most frightening thing that I've seen was that a classmate of mine couldn't describe his own (Germany's) flag. So I wouldn't overrate it that they didn't know the hungarian flag... The current one is at least better known as the double cross. To not only attack Europeans: my brother was in the US some time ago. He made a big tour with the greyhound. He told me that there are people, probably the minority, that seemed to not really know what's going on outside America. Hope our US colleagues don't feel insulted. I really do not think (honestly!!!) that Americans are only a crowd of less educated, only fastfood eating (and thus fat) and amok running people, although there are such prejudices here in Germany...

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@avain: here is the link to the Szent István files. Don't know if you have recognized that, but there is some kind of strange shadow above his crown when he moves his head. I try to fix that currently, don't know if I will be successful (nif files are a bit odd: hard to make changes to them because importing them to blender doesn't really works). Ekmek and sniperrabbit tried to help me, that's why I uploaded the full package, not only the texture. If you want you can wait some days till I am sure if I can fix that somehow or not. I would post the files again then.

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Thanks. And yes, I noticed the thing, and I thought it was because the texture made some part of the model "see-through", I didn't check though.
I'd be interested in a corrected file, too.

@avain: If you like to you can follow the progress of correcting that here. As you can read there I've already manged to solve this with Ekmek's help, but two other problems occured instead...

Ekmek finished his Kossuth LH. I don't like that background, so I started to work on it. I wanted to use the Nagytemplom of Debrecen, but unfortunatly there are few pictures of it where it's okay with the license. At the moment I use this one: click. As you can see there are people in the background... I found this picture at flickr, it was taken by Nóbik Attila (only to fulfill my duty). Don't know if there is someone among you who is from Debrecen and has a digital camera. Or if someone has seen a nice picture that's license is okay. You may find this overstated, but there was a case in Germany where a guy sued people because they used his pictures. He won and the people had to pay a lot of money. Since this I started to be more careful... Maybe I'll find some more pictures on my own...

My last post here was already some weeks ago. To show you that the work on the mod is going on (and to avoid that Ekmek becomes angry, because he can't see his Kossuth-LH in a mod), I posted two new pictures (see first post of the thread).

As you can see I concentrated on artworks. I included Ekmeks Kossuth, made new backgrounds for the LH's, some reskins, changed light in Széchenyis LH to make him less shiny and repositioned the LH's. Besides that I've also done some works on the units. The two units in front will be maceman and pikeman. I made them out of avains heavy swordsman. Well, I have to rotate the macemans shield a bit... (BTW: The macemans and the pikemans shield are the same, tell you that cause the pikemans isn't visible on the image). I also made a new horsearcher out of Aranors Scythian Half Cataphract and his Armenian Horse Archer Cataphract plus some reskin by me, because I don't really like the current one (looks too mongolian). But I am still not sure if I'll really take it: I like it very much, but I am not sure if it fits to Hungary. I found different images about Magyar horsemen, so I am not sure how they really looked like. Maybe their appearance has also changed when the attacked other countries in europa, because they may have gained armory and weaponry from the opponents and / or have copied those. However, if I'll take it or not, depends on your vote, too. I'll do whatever you want me to. If the unit will make it in the mode, Aranor will sincerly get his credit.

Lastly I'd like to request your help on the civilopedia texts again. I'd like to write some unique texts for the hungarian leaders but I need ideas for what they could say.

As for the horse archers, you could check how they look in Medieval Total War.

I'm waiting for the update! Good work!

Thank you for that hint. Unfortunatly I won't have time the next days. C ya in around a week!

BTW: 3d artwork for MTA (= Magyar Tudományos Akadémia = Hungarian Academy of Science) is in work. THis will be the 3d-modell for Egyetem (UB).

nice background.

cool3a2 said:

Leaders:

Background images taken by: ThisParticularGreg, Andreas Pöschek and Rodefeld (from left to right)

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What is the building behind the second leader? it looks familliar...

I dunno what its called, but it is the church in Debrecen IIRC.

Hi folks, I am back from London now, so I can write in here too.

I dunno what its called, but it is the church in Debrecen IIRC.

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Exactly. It's called Nagytemplom. This was where the hungarian parliament was situated during the revolution of 1848/49. I thought this fits best for Kossuth and that it is a welcome variety from all those places in Budapest used for most of the other leaderheads. Actually I am not 100% satisfied with it. I wanted a picture where more of the church is visible. But it was very hard to find a picture that is okay with rights and doesn't show people or too modern things. The statue on the left is also from later days. It's a memorial for the brave men of 1848/49, but it fits to Kossuth. Maybe I'll try to change the colour of Kossuths heads skin. Maybe something less yellow, something like Széchenyis skin.

Cool