r_rolo1
King of myself
I doubt that neal can win by dom as things stand now.
King of the World #3: Tokugawa
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Well, it's now 1840, and Greece, Rome, and Turkey (where Greece had a city) are parts of the Japanese Empire. The troops are gathering for the attack on Catherine of Russia, who appears to be going for a Cultural victory. Here's the victory screen:
Greece and Rome still haven't come out of revolt, so while I get credit for the population, I don't control the territory yet. Here's where having Hatty and Louis, the Creative Civs that border the new territory, as Vassals comes in handy.
Greece and Rome still haven't come out of revolt, so while I get credit for the population, I don't control the territory yet. Here's where having Hatty and Louis, the Creative Civs that border the new territory, as Vassals comes in handy.
r_rolo1
King of myself
You'll not win by Dom surely.....
But if you smashed JC and Alex, it is only a matter of vassalizing cathy and the rest of the stooges ( Remember Mansa
) to a quick and already very bloody conquest win.
But if you smashed JC and Alex, it is only a matter of vassalizing cathy and the rest of the stooges ( Remember Mansa
) to a quick and already very bloody conquest win.Shoot the Moon
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I must agree, conquest seems both fitting and reachable.
Oh, and great to see you back doing these again Neal.
Oh, and great to see you back doing these again Neal.
I don't have a problem with Conquest, and will in fact probably pursue it, but how is Domination beyond our reach? We're 15% land mass away from it. Catherine owns 8%, Freddy probably controls a like amount, and we'll gain a good amount of territory with the maturation of Greece, Rome, and the Americas. I'm just not seeing the impossibility here.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Are you planning a total anihalation of Cathy? My thinking was that you simply wanted to cripple and vassalize her.....
Agree with rolo, dom is very unlikely. 15% away from DOM means you need to get 15% (rly??). Cathy + Fred will only give you maximal 10% when vassalizing them early... 
I'm already looking foreward to the next KotW game Probabely a harder game? I heared Honey start isn't that much of a walkover
I'm already looking foreward to the next KotW game
Probabely a harder game? I heared Honey start isn't that much of a walkover 
Stewie0416
Who Cares?
Just vassalize cathy, and go for conquest win, much considering that you can just vassalize every1, btw im still sorta new, when you kill the master, do their vassals become independent?
Joshua368
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I'm already looking foreward to the next KotW game
He'll probably do Africa since he's already done America, Europe and Asia-based games... Mansa Musa on a higher difficulty perhaps? But we aren't quite there yet.
And to answer the guy above, yes vassals become independant if their masters are captured, in fact they can become independant before that, when the master loses enough land so they have at least half as much.
Also vassalizing counts as eliminating them as a rival leading to conquest, right? I mean I assume so but I'm not positive, if someone could confirm that...
Tokugawa paced nervously in the Forbidden Palace throne room in Kyoto. His impulsive elimination of the Spanish was an unforgiveable sin against the Buddha. Isabella was an obnoxious prig, but she was a paragon of the faith until she was dragged into the North African streets and shot by Japanese soldiers.
The pontiff hadn't visited the Apostolic Palace since the invasion. The dedication of the faithful from Seattle to Rome to Kyoto still filled the coffers to overflowing, but in the halls of government, any further appeals to religious unity would ring hollow. No, he had tipped his hand, and now he had to play it.
The first to fall would have to be Rome. Since ancient times, Caesar had thumbed his nose at the papacy, conducting brushfire wars and defying doctrine even under the very nose of Madrid. Now, though, Rome hid behind a facade of piety, refusing to listen to reason or threats from the "infidel" Japanese.
Thankfully, the blood had hardly dried from the boots of the soldiers that had "pacified" Spain, and Bombers and Ninja-Class Paratroopers were secretly stationed in Paris and along Egypt's coast:
The Roman outpost of Cumae fell quickly. Historians still argue as to its final fate. The Japanese party line is that the entire population was executed, down to the last child. There is some evidence, though, that a small group of survivors fled to Rome to make a final stand there.
Rome itself, though, fared little better:
Civilians cowered in the ancient Pyramids (a legacy of the ancient, pagan past) while Japanese Bombers raked the skies with impunity.
When the populace finally emerged, they were quickly rounded up and reeducated in the Japanese ways of "total Buddhism," in which material things such as means of production are not only seen as illusory, but rejected in total and turned over to the state:
As local farmers were counted and registered for the Japanese census, greedy German merchants swooped down and claimed Rome's northern fields as their own. Thousands starved.
In the midst of the dieout, rumors spread that Antium, the fortress-city on the southern tip of the Roman peninsula, had also fallen, and that Julius Caesar had been shipped to Kyoto in chains.
Alexander of Greece, erstwhile Vassal of Russia and longtime enemy of Japan, received reports of the fall of Rome with quiet resignation. He spent his days inspecting his troops on the Athenian parade grounds and his nights staring at maps, looking for strongpoints that he could use to hold off the inevitable.
When the Japanese messenger finally came in 1834, backed by a fleet of Destroyers, Transports, and Aircraft Carriers, Alexander received the news of his doom wearily, but utterly without surprise:
Athens fell quickly, as did Sparta. The King of Greece caught carriage after carriage east, constantly staying one step ahead of the conquest-minded Japanese.
In 1840, as Alexander holed up in his final stronghold on the Isthmus of Turkey, he realized he had played directly into Tokugawa's scheming hands. For years, Japanese tanks had been quietly shipped to Persia's western borders. Now they showed themselves, executing a perfect pincer attack. Greece was no more:
Eyewitness accounts state that Alexander died in the fighting.
Tokugawa sipped his Spanish wine and stared down at the Sea of Japan from the window of his private plane. All of these minor wars, of course, were little more than warm-ups for the conflict with Russia. His advisors, of course, were cowards, all, recommending a quick, easy war to subdue Catherine and make Russia a slave-nation of the Empire.
Tokugawa's eyes narrowed. Catherine had, in the Iberian War, taken the Persian city of Sardis and attempted to open another front. She and Cyrus could never coexist peacefully. Besides, the arrogance of her attack was a personal affront to Tokugawa. After all, he was the resident of the Apostolic Palace, and he had taken Cyrus personally under his wing. Such an insult could not go unpunished.
The pampered Russian princess, still drunk from her success in the previous war, welcomed a renewal of hostilities:
"Sir! Mr. President!" A young man with close-cropped hair and the unmistakable features of Mongol descent caught up with Tokugawa in the gardens of the capital building in Tokyo.
"You will refer to me as 'Your Holiness,'" Tokugawa snapped. The title had ceased to have any real meaning on the world stage, but to have it ignored by some minor palace functionary was inexcusable. He made a note of the aide's name tag.
"M-m-m-my apologies, Your Holiness. I come from New Sarai." New Sarai, once a collection of rude huts filled with savages that owed their allegiance to Genghis Khan, was now a modern Factory-City of the Japanese Empire, churning out the weapons and troops that had brought the world to its knees. "I was told to give you this report." A small folder filled with dry prose and photographs. "We have put a man on the moon!"
Tokugawa raised an eyebrow in half-interest. "Does this project have... military applications?"
"Well, not immediately, no, but... Imagine the philosophical implications! The-"
"Then I am not interested. Discontinue all funding to the Space Program. I cannot turn to another world while this one continues to vex me so."
The war against Russia was protracted and brutal. Tokugawa monitored its progress with great interest. Moscow fell in 1850:
Looking over the reports of the wondrous buildings that lined Moscow's streets, Tokugawa allowed himself a small smile. "There is nothing that you can build, Catherine, that I cannot take away."
At the same time, Russian control over Sardis came to an end:
In 1858, the fearsome Russian empire was reduced to the besieged frontier town of Gepid. Gepid lacked adequate food, potable water, even plumbing or electricity. Rumor has it that, trapped and alone, Catherine took her own life as Japanese troops, led by the venerable General Vercingetorix, marched down Gepid's streets:
To the south, war against Catherine's vassal, Mansa Musa, was much more languid. Under constant assault by the unrelenting desert sun, the few tank platoons assigned to the theater made small forays to pillage Malinesian villages and towns, but there was no war of annihilation as there was in the north. Mansa Musa had always treated Tokugawa fairly, after all. A pair of minor cities on Africa's western coast were taken, but the nation of Mali was likely happier to lose them than Japan was to gain them.
Mansa Musa was always a practical man. He had read the reports of Japan's savagery when spurned. At the same time, he knew from his extensive dealings with Egypt that slave-nations were treated fairly. He knew which way the wind was blowing, and decided his future accordingly:
"Sir!"
Frederick turned slowly. He hadn't slept more than 20 hours over the course of the past three weeks. "Yes, Lieutenant?"
"Those Japanese dogs-"
"-have always treated us fairly, Lieutenant. Even during that regrettable episode with Agent Huntzel." Frederick touched the tips of his fingers to his temples, attempting to will away his growing headache. It didn't work. "So I won't have you calling them dogs. Now, what is it about the Japanese that has you so worked up?
"They're amassing their forces outside of Hamburg!"
State of the World:
The pontiff hadn't visited the Apostolic Palace since the invasion. The dedication of the faithful from Seattle to Rome to Kyoto still filled the coffers to overflowing, but in the halls of government, any further appeals to religious unity would ring hollow. No, he had tipped his hand, and now he had to play it.
The first to fall would have to be Rome. Since ancient times, Caesar had thumbed his nose at the papacy, conducting brushfire wars and defying doctrine even under the very nose of Madrid. Now, though, Rome hid behind a facade of piety, refusing to listen to reason or threats from the "infidel" Japanese.
Thankfully, the blood had hardly dried from the boots of the soldiers that had "pacified" Spain, and Bombers and Ninja-Class Paratroopers were secretly stationed in Paris and along Egypt's coast:
The Roman outpost of Cumae fell quickly. Historians still argue as to its final fate. The Japanese party line is that the entire population was executed, down to the last child. There is some evidence, though, that a small group of survivors fled to Rome to make a final stand there.
Rome itself, though, fared little better:
Civilians cowered in the ancient Pyramids (a legacy of the ancient, pagan past) while Japanese Bombers raked the skies with impunity.
When the populace finally emerged, they were quickly rounded up and reeducated in the Japanese ways of "total Buddhism," in which material things such as means of production are not only seen as illusory, but rejected in total and turned over to the state:
As local farmers were counted and registered for the Japanese census, greedy German merchants swooped down and claimed Rome's northern fields as their own. Thousands starved.
In the midst of the dieout, rumors spread that Antium, the fortress-city on the southern tip of the Roman peninsula, had also fallen, and that Julius Caesar had been shipped to Kyoto in chains.
Alexander of Greece, erstwhile Vassal of Russia and longtime enemy of Japan, received reports of the fall of Rome with quiet resignation. He spent his days inspecting his troops on the Athenian parade grounds and his nights staring at maps, looking for strongpoints that he could use to hold off the inevitable.
When the Japanese messenger finally came in 1834, backed by a fleet of Destroyers, Transports, and Aircraft Carriers, Alexander received the news of his doom wearily, but utterly without surprise:
Athens fell quickly, as did Sparta. The King of Greece caught carriage after carriage east, constantly staying one step ahead of the conquest-minded Japanese.
In 1840, as Alexander holed up in his final stronghold on the Isthmus of Turkey, he realized he had played directly into Tokugawa's scheming hands. For years, Japanese tanks had been quietly shipped to Persia's western borders. Now they showed themselves, executing a perfect pincer attack. Greece was no more:
Eyewitness accounts state that Alexander died in the fighting.
Tokugawa sipped his Spanish wine and stared down at the Sea of Japan from the window of his private plane. All of these minor wars, of course, were little more than warm-ups for the conflict with Russia. His advisors, of course, were cowards, all, recommending a quick, easy war to subdue Catherine and make Russia a slave-nation of the Empire.
Tokugawa's eyes narrowed. Catherine had, in the Iberian War, taken the Persian city of Sardis and attempted to open another front. She and Cyrus could never coexist peacefully. Besides, the arrogance of her attack was a personal affront to Tokugawa. After all, he was the resident of the Apostolic Palace, and he had taken Cyrus personally under his wing. Such an insult could not go unpunished.
The pampered Russian princess, still drunk from her success in the previous war, welcomed a renewal of hostilities:
"Sir! Mr. President!" A young man with close-cropped hair and the unmistakable features of Mongol descent caught up with Tokugawa in the gardens of the capital building in Tokyo.
"You will refer to me as 'Your Holiness,'" Tokugawa snapped. The title had ceased to have any real meaning on the world stage, but to have it ignored by some minor palace functionary was inexcusable. He made a note of the aide's name tag.
"M-m-m-my apologies, Your Holiness. I come from New Sarai." New Sarai, once a collection of rude huts filled with savages that owed their allegiance to Genghis Khan, was now a modern Factory-City of the Japanese Empire, churning out the weapons and troops that had brought the world to its knees. "I was told to give you this report." A small folder filled with dry prose and photographs. "We have put a man on the moon!"
Tokugawa raised an eyebrow in half-interest. "Does this project have... military applications?"
"Well, not immediately, no, but... Imagine the philosophical implications! The-"
"Then I am not interested. Discontinue all funding to the Space Program. I cannot turn to another world while this one continues to vex me so."
The war against Russia was protracted and brutal. Tokugawa monitored its progress with great interest. Moscow fell in 1850:
Looking over the reports of the wondrous buildings that lined Moscow's streets, Tokugawa allowed himself a small smile. "There is nothing that you can build, Catherine, that I cannot take away."
At the same time, Russian control over Sardis came to an end:
In 1858, the fearsome Russian empire was reduced to the besieged frontier town of Gepid. Gepid lacked adequate food, potable water, even plumbing or electricity. Rumor has it that, trapped and alone, Catherine took her own life as Japanese troops, led by the venerable General Vercingetorix, marched down Gepid's streets:
To the south, war against Catherine's vassal, Mansa Musa, was much more languid. Under constant assault by the unrelenting desert sun, the few tank platoons assigned to the theater made small forays to pillage Malinesian villages and towns, but there was no war of annihilation as there was in the north. Mansa Musa had always treated Tokugawa fairly, after all. A pair of minor cities on Africa's western coast were taken, but the nation of Mali was likely happier to lose them than Japan was to gain them.
Mansa Musa was always a practical man. He had read the reports of Japan's savagery when spurned. At the same time, he knew from his extensive dealings with Egypt that slave-nations were treated fairly. He knew which way the wind was blowing, and decided his future accordingly:
"Sir!"
Frederick turned slowly. He hadn't slept more than 20 hours over the course of the past three weeks. "Yes, Lieutenant?"
"Those Japanese dogs-"
"-have always treated us fairly, Lieutenant. Even during that regrettable episode with Agent Huntzel." Frederick touched the tips of his fingers to his temples, attempting to will away his growing headache. It didn't work. "So I won't have you calling them dogs. Now, what is it about the Japanese that has you so worked up?
"They're amassing their forces outside of Hamburg!"
State of the World:
Stewie0416
Who Cares?
Nice little real life quotes, brings the game away from the analytical part and adds some humanity into it. I enjoyed it. Anyways nice job with bringing down cathy, you can pretty much do anything now! Have fun
Frankthetank
Chieftain
It would be an interesting read to see your success with a minor empire in a bad position, such as the Incas, in a future game
Joshua368
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Very fun read, looks like this will be over real soon. While I know vassals half add up in domination land area, it still says you have nine rivals left. So capitulation doesn't lead to a conquest victory? Still not sure how that works.
Looks like you're already doing this, but you should probably delay the war until you get composites and upgrade all those tanks for even more fun... expecially since Frederick is really modern tech-wise (researching genetics).
Looks like you're already doing this, but you should probably delay the war until you get composites and upgrade all those tanks for even more fun... expecially since Frederick is really modern tech-wise (researching genetics).
r_rolo1
King of myself
Conquest is trigerred if you are the only free civ in the world ( and if hadn't won by dom in the same turn ). This means that you win by conquest if you're the only one still standing or if everyone is your vassal. The victory screen still shows 9 civs down because the vassal condition is not irreversible and theoretically any of the vassals can still rebel.
Well, Fred has his days counted and I bet that he'll not get vassal status .... Sal is the next guy and Liz may even vassal pretty fast, maybe even without war ( have you tried asking her ? ). This is nearly ending...
Ready for HC ?
Well, Fred has his days counted and I bet that he'll not get vassal status .... Sal is the next guy and Liz may even vassal pretty fast, maybe even without war ( have you tried asking her ? ). This is nearly ending...
Ready for HC
?All right. A little unexpected, a little anti-climactic, but fitting and, as we all know, this game was over long, long ago.
I began by liberating the Malinese cities of Niani and Walata:
This brought Mansa Musa to Friendly. Not that I much care what he thinks, so long as I have his submission, but those cities are garbage, anyway.
In 1860, an emissary from the Apostolic Palace came by Kyoto with a selection of proposals:
I made one more shot at Diplomatic Victory. I don't have the votes, but it was worth a shot, and in keeping with Tokugawa's mad dreams of dominion.
I reworked the Espionage Screen in preparation for the final push:
Composites were a turn away. Troops were in position in Italy, France, and along the Russian border. Transports and Destroyers were lying in wait in the French-controlled waters of northern England.
The pieces were in place. Tokugawa was ready to annoint himself God-Emperor with the blood of the remaining holdout free nations. He picked up the telephone, ready to give the order to retrofit the Armored Divisions and charge across the border. The young Mongolian with the close-cropped hair burst through the office door, snapping Tokugawa out of his reverie and making him slam down the receiver in irritation. "What?"
"Your Holiness! Your Holiness! The votes are in! The Buddhist See has submitted to your authority!"
I began by liberating the Malinese cities of Niani and Walata:
This brought Mansa Musa to Friendly. Not that I much care what he thinks, so long as I have his submission, but those cities are garbage, anyway.
In 1860, an emissary from the Apostolic Palace came by Kyoto with a selection of proposals:
I made one more shot at Diplomatic Victory. I don't have the votes, but it was worth a shot, and in keeping with Tokugawa's mad dreams of dominion.
I reworked the Espionage Screen in preparation for the final push:
Composites were a turn away. Troops were in position in Italy, France, and along the Russian border. Transports and Destroyers were lying in wait in the French-controlled waters of northern England.
The pieces were in place. Tokugawa was ready to annoint himself God-Emperor with the blood of the remaining holdout free nations. He picked up the telephone, ready to give the order to retrofit the Armored Divisions and charge across the border. The young Mongolian with the close-cropped hair burst through the office door, snapping Tokugawa out of his reverie and making him slam down the receiver in irritation. "What?"
"Your Holiness! Your Holiness! The votes are in! The Buddhist See has submitted to your authority!"
Shoot the Moon
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Agreed. Rather anti-climatic if you ask me. Although on that big of a map, an AP win seems more legit than normal.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Well, it happens a lot when you're pursuing Dom.....
I would prefer to see another instalement then a assured won war vs the 3 stooges left.
I would prefer to see another instalement then a assured won war vs the 3 stooges left.
