King of the World #9: Genghis Khan

First, the save isn't attached.

Second, if Natonalism is already had by 2 people. I'tll be researched by a Hindu shortly. Go Chemistry and trade it around (for Nationalism).

Third, didn't HC prosper in the last game that you modded out a passage through the Andes?
 
GPs still don't see your strenght. Just a little observation: That city that got the GS is working 1) unimproved plains 2) unimproved grass 3) mines.

Mines are ok as it's building an uni, but make sure to run more specs...
 
By the way, if you have a comfortable tech lead, you might want to leave Liberalism with one turn left and try for a second tier free tech. The AI loves putting off researching Education, you could grab Military Tradition, Constitution, Replaceable Parts, Economics, Military Science, Steel... Steel is a very nice tech to get free, not too hard to obtain and a huge advantage! :lol:

Plus by trading away education you're giving up the Economics race, that great merchant can be very handy for all the upgrades you'll want at this point in the game.
 
Ack. You're right. I'll attach the save to this post.

I'm thinking you're right about Liberalism. I am one turn away. Maybe I could grab Chemistry and get Steel for free. That would be pretty great.
 
Ack. You're right. I'll attach the save to this post.

I'm thinking you're right about Liberalism. I am one turn away. Maybe I could grab Chemistry and get Steel for free. That would be pretty great.

Well you already traded Education around, I think it may be too late for this particular game.
 
Just a few words: UPGRADE TO PRO TODAY!!!

All the pics are down for me. Anyone else?
 
I can still see them, but I'm using firefox that holds a lot of things in cache.

P.S Opened with IE... yup, Neal pics are down until the end of the month unless he wants to pay for it or to use another free account.
 
I can still see them, but I'm using firefox that holds a lot of things in cache.

P.S Opened with IE... yup, Neal pics are down until the end of the month unless he wants to pay for it or to use another free account.

Looks like Neal needs to take printing press from Liberalism so he can get some $$ to manage his large empire of screenies.
 
Looks like Neal needs to take printing press from Liberalism so he can get some $$ to manage his large empire of screenies.

His screenshots have gone on strike and will slowly disband
 
I played (pressed Enter) through the next 15 or so turns...

Spoiler :
I got chemistry by researching directly. Took about 14 turns. I was able to take Steel from Liberalism. Notes of interest: Cathy attacks Louis (who finishes the Taj in about 5 turns) on the 10th turn. Louis breaks free from Germany.


Other Stuff...
-You need 5 more workers baaaaad in SE Asia.
-Cyrus has an elephant moving to take one of the barb cities to your NE. Your elephants can beat him there.
-The Zulu capital city from your last game is still an available site. I'd settle it. It's a powerhouse city waiting to happen. Never know how it could help you springboard into Africa. And with those gems and gold it will pay for itself in just a few turns.
-Once you get Cannons, take all of Asoka's continental holdings and vassalize him with just Indonesia. To take India, I'd ship some cannons over to the southern tip and have a 2-pronged attack. The other comes from your shared border.
 
All right. A couple of things.

First, I bit the bullet and upgraded to Pro. You guys owe me ;)

Second, I played Round 7. It was a slog. Sadly, I did it before finding out that I could, indeed, nab Steel off of Liberalism. And before seeing that there was an open spot in Africa. But, for now, I need a break. I'll try to write it up late tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks for keeping up!
 
Nitpick about city names: Your Pyongyang is like totally off. As I see it, Pyongyang would be one SW of your Seoul, which in turn is 1S from there. As such, I would have named your Pyongyang Shenyang and your Seoul would've bacome my pyongyang :D

Google Maps is a nice tool.
 
Yay for Pro!

This thread is actually really fun to read if you have Istanbul (not Constantinople) playing. Try it!
 
This thread inspired me to take my first look back at They Might Be Giants since Courage the Cowardly Dog (Remember that show? Remember how awesome it was?) went off the air and I stopped watching HomeStar Runner. Reminds me of Elvis Costello, but "Your Racist Friend" confused me.
 
This round was fairly epic and (I hope) fairly profitable.

It all started with me playing it safe. I took Chemistry with Liberalism and immediately began research on Steel. Apparently I could have gotten Steel as my free tech, but that would have felt a little cheap and, besides, doing it this way allowed me to also adopt Free Religion without any time wasted in Anarchy.

As Europe erupted in flames (what else is new?), our citizens found something very cool in Karakorum:

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It's a little late for it to be a gamechanger, but I'll take a free commerce boost like that any day.

Of course, some people just can't stand to see their neighbors prosper. I ended up embroiled in fake wars with both Rome and Spain early in this round. Neither one really came to anything (I think I got a pittance of gold from Isabella, and the war with Caesar was ended by papal decree), but they were, um, fun while they lasted. Meanwhile, I was building my forces up for a real war with our buddy Asoka.

Part of this buildup involved training fun with the unaffiliated natives:

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I also razed another Barbarian city just as Asoka settled his ridiculous stack (two Pikemen, two Knights, two War Elephants, two Trebuchets and a Catapult against a pair of Longbows) into position. That stack would turn into something of a headache once India went from friendly rival to hated enemy.

I made some tech trades in the buildup, nabbing Nationalism and some gold from Catherine for Astronomy and Guilds, and more gold from Alexander for Guilds. Those Trebuchets (which were being pumped out by Chengdu and Beijing) weren't going to upgrade themselves!

Finally, in 1290, it was time to blow the horn:

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A lot of people suggested a two-pronged approach. I did that. Sort of. I sent my main, huge force trundling westward through Burma and Bangladesh.

Meanwhile, I sent some quick-strike forces at India's island holdings:

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That city was defended only by a single Flanking II War Elephant. So I knocked down its walls with Frigate power, and sent in a Combat Jumbo of my own. Worked like a charm.

Of course, everyone's favorite Hellenistic opportunist had to get in on the action:

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... Maybe selling him Guilds for chump change was a bad idea.

Anyway. How was the main force doing? Quite well, thank you:

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That's why I love mid- to late-game wars. The cities come with all this great infrastructure built right in! Oh, and Cannon? Thanks to everyone who suggested this beeline. They tore through Asoka's medieval defenses like butter!

Of course, this is not to say that my Settlers were idle:

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Yeah, maybe Banjarmasin (not Bangalore) should be 1NE or something so that it doesn't conflict with Bali so much. But I don't think the added tiles (Coast, mostly, with maybe one Grassland) would be worth sending out a whole new Settler for.

On the same island as Bali, Madras also fell:

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And was renamed Jakarta. No sweet free buildings in this one, unfortunately.

Farther south, in Australia, the war was more of a tense standoff:

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Neither one of us had the troops to commit to the eradication of the other's colonies. I had one Garrison unit per city, and I think Asoka had a War Elephant to spare. So I just hid behind my walls and glowered, and apparently the Indians were content to do the same. Oh, I'd wanted to name the southeastern city Surfer's Paradise instead of Brisbane (the two are close enough geographically), but it wouldn't fit as a city name. So, fiddlesticks.

I made a semi-split of my forces on the mainland, sending my reinforcements on a quick detour to raze one of Asoka's less useful cities:

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Thankfully, the place didn't boil over with guerillas. I hate that event.

Around this time, I figured it was about time to head to Rifling. As it turns out, Replacable Parts needs Banking in addition to Printing Press, so I nabbed it and 250 gold from Catherine in exchange for the sinister secret of Liberalism. All right. Tech path discussion over. Back to the war!

India's Barb-crushing forces (remember those?) ended up doing some damage on the desert roads between Karakorum and Beijing. All of the local cities, from Turfan to Pyongyang, pumped out Cannon and Longbows to deal with the threat. It was touch and go for a while, but the force was finally eliminated outside the old Chinese capitol.

Bombay (where Asoka had moved his capital for some reason) fell fairly quickly:

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And was made the new Calcutta. Academy! Score!

Around this time, despite my switchover to mostly running Merchants in Pyongyang, out popped a second Great Scientist. So much for my Golden Age. So I switched to ALL Merchants, and sent Tycho Brahe off to found the Academy of Hanoi.

And we weren't the only empire expanding by the sword at this point, either. The inevitable American-Aztec war was raging in the New World and, just as inevitably, Roosevelt was losing. City after city was reported as being conquered. By the end of the round, of course, the United States were bound by the chains of vassalage. So that didn't change with the map fixes :)

So Asoka was broken, already willing to Capitulate for peace. But my army was romping, and I had no desire to let him keep a foothold on the mainland. It was time to kick back and have fun, right? Unfortunately, I wasn't expecting this:

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Because I am an idiot. Maybe selling Guilds to Alexander was a bad idea... Anyway, Calcutta was well-staffed, but it was (appropriately enough) my Hospital city, full of wounded units trying to get healthy enough to go back to the front. The city held, and the stack was finally destroyed, but the losses were tremendous. Thankfully, once the stack was destroyed, Greece was willing to pay handsomely to end the war.

Farther south, the healthy troops were doing well, at least:

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Asoka's forces were in a full rout at this point, at least down here.

Up north, meanwhile, I bashed my head against the Himalayan fortress city:

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"Oh, sure," I said, "A couple of Cannons and a few mop-up troops and the city will be mine." Sadly, Cannons don't do so well going uphill, and Asoka was drafting units faster than I could knock them down. It became a classic stalemate.

Thankfully, the once and future capitol of the Indian empire was much more accomodating:

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And that would explain why Asoka moved his palace. Versailles, everybody! All right! And Notre Dame is another nice little bonus. It's gonna get some heavy Persian cultural pressure, but what are you gonna do? Cyrus is probably next on the chopping block, anyway. Even though he did beg for Gunpowder, and I gave it to him... I need to start being more stingy with my military techs.

Oh, yeah. Asoka had one more city on the tip of the subcontinent:

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So with that, Asoka's last city on Eurasia proper was nestled in the forbidding mountains of Nepal.

The time for half-measures was over. It was time to send in the big guns:

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Have I mentioned that I hate the inevitable hard-to-conquer Himalayas city? That seems to crop up every other game!

Anyway, having been ousted from his homeland, Asoka is willing to give up quite a bit for peace:

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Hyderabad is the Australian city pressed right up against Cairns. So, questions and state of the world to follow.
 
We'll start out with a geographical look at the Mongolian East:

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As you can see, it's pretty expansive. Lahore is squatting in the middle, there, like a giant, purple pimple, but any assault on it would have to be purely amphibious (its only connection to the rest of the isle is a Mountain tile), and it's not really hurting anything. It's really only my sense of neatness that demands that that city fall. What I'm thinking is, we accept Asoka's offer for peace, rename Hyderabad something properly Australian, and gift the whole Aussie continent to India, letting them be our Australian colony.

The rest of Eurasia:

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Cyrus is huge, but we expected that. He's the new Genghis on this map, filling up the taiga with garbage cities. His (relatively) low score reflects the folly of his ways. What surprises me is how strong Alexander's getting, and how weak Elizabeth is. I can see her getting beaten to Ireland, but Scotland? Really? And it's even a German city, so it's not like it was taken through war! Oh, and it looks like Istanbul is once again in Greek hands. Bah!

And the New World:

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Wow. Huayna couldn't even beat the Germans to Brazil. That's just sad. I'm thinking about maybe running an Earth game with the New World civs taken out. That could be a fun Terra-like scenario.

Here's the tech situation:

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:eek: Catherine is LOADED. But I don't know that I want to trade either of the techs I have on her. Maybe I could nab Economics from Liz for Liberalism and/or Printing Press.

Diplomacy:

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The German bloc is at war with the Russian bloc. No surprise there. And Hattie is getting dogpiled, poor girl. I'm seling her Iron at a ridiculously low price so that she can at least hold her own, but hers still seems to be a lost cause. And my friends seem to be growing fewer and further between. Ah, well. The warmonger's road is a lonely one.

The Domestic Advisor:

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I need to spread the religious wealth around a little bit more. I've got Free Religion, after all. I may as well get some Happiness out of it. But overall, my cities are weathering War Weariness rather well.

The Power Graph:

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Respectable. I can dig it.

And Victory Conditions:

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So which way should we go? I mean, whatever we choose, the game is pretty much won. Should I leverage our wealth or Religions into a second consecutive Cultural Victory? I think we've made too many enemies to go Diplomatic (unless we go on a vassalization spree). Domination and Conquest always sound like fun, but they're a little arduous to actually do. How about Space? It's been a while since we've done that.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Here's the save:
 
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