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You are talking about the LH I am using for the Teutonic Order? I'll try that out and see what happens. Thanks for the tip.
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You are talking about the LH I am using for the Teutonic Order? I'll try that out and see what happens. Thanks for the tip.
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Uploaded new screenshots and updated first post with them.
I also discovered that a little graphical bug with Széchenyi still exists after patching if the sahdered version is used - must have overwritten the fixed version...
I guess I really upload a complete fixed mod package as patching will get weird.
@The_Capo: Yes, that's probably the one I meant. I uploaded a screenshot of the fixed Árpád, see first post. It is also part of the patch. You may try to copy the helmet into your leaderhead if you have problems with smoothing. However, during the animation a hole in Árpáds head can be seen for a second. I guess that will happen to your LH as well. I'll go and fix Árpád soon and I am optimistic that it will work. You can use that part as well for your LH. If there are serious differences between our LHs that make it impossible to re-use parts of Árpád, I can try to fix your LH as well. Just let me know.
I also discovered that a little graphical bug with Széchenyi still exists after patching if the sahdered version is used - must have overwritten the fixed version...
I guess I really upload a complete fixed mod package as patching will get weird.@The_Capo: Yes, that's probably the one I meant. I uploaded a screenshot of the fixed Árpád, see first post. It is also part of the patch. You may try to copy the helmet into your leaderhead if you have problems with smoothing. However, during the animation a hole in Árpáds head can be seen for a second. I guess that will happen to your LH as well. I'll go and fix Árpád soon and I am optimistic that it will work. You can use that part as well for your LH. If there are serious differences between our LHs that make it impossible to re-use parts of Árpád, I can try to fix your LH as well. Just let me know.
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Around a week ago I saw a leaderhead that made me propose to add a modern leader for Hungary. There are several suggestions for who the new leader could be:
- Miklós Horthy
- Imre Nagy
- János Kádár
- Ferenc Gyurcsány
- Viktor Orbán
- Árpád Göncz
- László Sólyom
As you can no one of them is really perfect. However, to decide which one will be the leader a poll has been started, which can be found here (needs registration first). Foreign users or users that are not registrated on the other page can vote at this thread. I will then post the votes here once there some more of them (currenty there are only two votes
), probably at the first post of this thread. Please vote only, if you know who are these people and if you have a clue about what it is that makes them all imperfect. Please do not vote on both pages / threads, otherwise the poll gets unreliable. If you vote, please give a statement about the leaders traits.
There is already a leaderhead for Sólyom...
(on the right upper corner)
...and one that can be used for Nagy after some small changes:
(cfkanes Rufus Firefly)
Changed to (a younger) Nagy:
(not yet finished; lights are a bit too strong, there is a bug with the eyes and the mouth, the neck should be shorter and as background I would use the parliament)
For all the others I would have to request an animated LH, which I don't think will be successful. However, we would need to use a static picture for them at least temporary.
As traits for Nagy I suggest charismatic and protective.
So feel free to comment.
- Miklós Horthy
- Imre Nagy
- János Kádár
- Ferenc Gyurcsány
- Viktor Orbán
- Árpád Göncz
- László Sólyom
As you can no one of them is really perfect. However, to decide which one will be the leader a poll has been started, which can be found here (needs registration first). Foreign users or users that are not registrated on the other page can vote at this thread. I will then post the votes here once there some more of them (currenty there are only two votes
), probably at the first post of this thread. Please vote only, if you know who are these people and if you have a clue about what it is that makes them all imperfect. Please do not vote on both pages / threads, otherwise the poll gets unreliable. If you vote, please give a statement about the leaders traits.There is already a leaderhead for Sólyom...
(on the right upper corner)
...and one that can be used for Nagy after some small changes:
(cfkanes Rufus Firefly)
Changed to (a younger) Nagy:
(not yet finished; lights are a bit too strong, there is a bug with the eyes and the mouth, the neck should be shorter and as background I would use the parliament)
For all the others I would have to request an animated LH, which I don't think will be successful. However, we would need to use a static picture for them at least temporary.
As traits for Nagy I suggest charismatic and protective.
So feel free to comment.
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I have worked a bit on the leaderheads. I fixed a problem with Árpáds arms, changed lights of Kossuth and Széchenyi a bit and shadered the Corvinus LH:
On the left you see the old, unshadered version, the right picture shows the shadered version. The new version won't replace the old totally: if you have a weak machine, that is unable to handle civ4 shaders, then the old version will still be used.
Now I will write one or two pms to see what happened to my requests. I think I have to talk with avain about an idea... After that I'll have to work on a request by another user. Lastly I'll like to work a bit on Kossuth again. In conclusion I'd say I'll upload the new version of this mod within a week.
On the left you see the old, unshadered version, the right picture shows the shadered version. The new version won't replace the old totally: if you have a weak machine, that is unable to handle civ4 shaders, then the old version will still be used.
Now I will write one or two pms to see what happened to my requests. I think I have to talk with avain about an idea... After that I'll have to work on a request by another user. Lastly I'll like to work a bit on Kossuth again. In conclusion I'd say I'll upload the new version of this mod within a week.
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Hi,
I still did not start on the new version of my Hungary mod, but intend to include at least the Austro-Hungarian Tegetthoff and other ships, and the Turan by Snafusmith. I do intend to reskin snafu's Italian Mobile Artillery into a Zrinyi mobile artillery...
Also, a szekely worker would be excellent, but unfortunately I don't have the skills to make it. If only Bakuel or Bernie would make some cool unit...
And yes, let's keep in touch and exchange information!
I still did not start on the new version of my Hungary mod, but intend to include at least the Austro-Hungarian Tegetthoff and other ships, and the Turan by Snafusmith. I do intend to reskin snafu's Italian Mobile Artillery into a Zrinyi mobile artillery...
Also, a szekely worker would be excellent, but unfortunately I don't have the skills to make it. If only Bakuel or Bernie would make some cool unit...
And yes, let's keep in touch and exchange information!
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Snafusmith made a Turán? I must have missed it. Is it new? A link would be cool. A Zrínyi would be cool as well. Hmmm... I think I would have to replace one of the tanks currently used in my mod as I don't want to change the default unit system to not get it unbalanced. Those other ships you were talking about would be interesting as well.
Hmm... No problem about the worker unit. I go to request it. If nobody is interested I'll ask Bakuel directly. He wanted to make me some ancient units anyways... It's just that I don't know for sure if that clothing is authentic, although I think so.
Hmm... No problem about the worker unit. I go to request it. If nobody is interested I'll ask Bakuel directly. He wanted to make me some ancient units anyways... It's just that I don't know for sure if that clothing is authentic, although I think so.
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If you need, I can help you in the research to get the best possible pictures (although I'm no expert on the topic)
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If you're making a poll for this, then I nominate Stephen Colbert as a modern Hungarian leader.
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Actually, I'd take just about anyone instead of the idiots currently in politics...
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But on a more serious note, my vote goes to Göncz Árpád.
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@MadmanOfLeader: I am open for new suggestions. Do you mean this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert? I haven't read the whole article, but he seems to be American. What does he have to do with Hungary?
@avain. Yeah, try to find more pictures, please. All I could find besides that picture showing similar clothes was another puppet.
Okay, I'll add your vote to the results. I am just curious why there are already two votes for him now. What I have read about him (I still was a child when he had his best times) didn't give me an explanation why he should be extraordinary. However, I don't like his daughter. And there is usually not a big difference between a parent and his child...
I still couldn't find Snafusmiths Turán. Did he made it only for you without posting it on the forum? Or am I blind?
Interestingly, I've just posted on the hungarian forum today, that we should wait only 2 weeks longer for getting more votes. At the moment it isn't representative (too few votes), so I thought it may be the best to keep everything as it is and to not add a new leader.
@avain. Yeah, try to find more pictures, please. All I could find besides that picture showing similar clothes was another puppet.
Okay, I'll add your vote to the results. I am just curious why there are already two votes for him now. What I have read about him (I still was a child when he had his best times) didn't give me an explanation why he should be extraordinary. However, I don't like his daughter. And there is usually not a big difference between a parent and his child...
I still couldn't find Snafusmiths Turán. Did he made it only for you without posting it on the forum? Or am I blind?
Interestingly, I've just posted on the hungarian forum today, that we should wait only 2 weeks longer for getting more votes. At the moment it isn't representative (too few votes), so I thought it may be the best to keep everything as it is and to not add a new leader.
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Stephen Colbert was just a joke, he was associated with Hungary when he was the leading candidate for the name of a new bridge (he was suggested by the Hungarian embassador in the States when he was on his show.
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Ok, I'll be looking for pictures then.
As for the Turan: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11619
Why vote on Göncz Árpád? He's a writer/translator, he translated the Lord of the Rings to Hungarian amongst other, and was quite liked by the people.
Actually, my vote would go to any new president of Hungary (Göncz, Mádl or Sólyom). They always represented more intelligence, more "sense", more moral stature, more of something I'd more willingly associate with modern Hungarians than any of the Prime Ministers in the latest Republic. But of course you could also choose Horthy, that's ok by me.
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Thanks for the link. Looks great. It'll definately in the next version.
Well, I read that Göncz translated LOTR, but being a good translator doesn't makes him a good leader. He may have been popular. Sólyom is also. But both have too less power to really be important. In some decades most people won't know their names anymore. However, you are free to vote for whoever you want.
I haven't voted for Horthy. I think he propably wanted the best for Hungary, but was rather incompetent. He was like Wilhelm II. of Germany (I think he is known as Vilmos in Hungary). Well, the situation during his reign didn't allow him much. However, in the end he hasn't reached anything. Although he was no nazi, he only sacrified lives of hungarian jews.
I have voted for Nagy. Sure, he propably has betrayed people to the soviet secret service. I think because of the situation he didn't have much choices. I heard that in the 30s there were a list of about 2000 Hungarian communists living in the USSR that were possible members of a hungarian puppet government after WW2. At the end of WW2 there were only about 20 left. All the others have been killed by Stalin. So, for Nagy it was the choice either to be the hunter or the hunted. But of course it's still not a positive aspect of his live or his personality. However, later he was also popular, which is why I have suggested to make him charismatic. In 56 he propably was not a fanatic supporter of the revolution, but I think he honestly supported most of the things the revolution wanted. It took him a while to take a clear position, because he was a person that rather likes to avoid risk I think. That's why he may have betrayed others to the soviet secret service. Well, he took a clear postion in time, that's what counts. I also think that the point that the revolution got a kind of government, was very important. This way the revolution got a face for Hungarians and foreigners and it brought some kind of order into the chaos. I don't claim he had control over the fighters on the street, but he was able to give the revolution a direction. What would have happened without a government you can see by take a look what happened 53 in the GDR. Hungarys revolution went much farer than that. However, when Nagy later was in prison because of participating in the revolution, AFAIK he didn't betrayed anybody nor did he betrayed the revolution. I'd say he proudly died for 56. That's speculative, but I think he could have saved his live if he would have betrayed some people and accepted his "guiltyness". This way the Kádár government could have shown its "humanity" by forgiving even his worst enemies and Kádár wouldn't have to fear Nagy anymore because Nagy would have lost all of his popularity (which was the main reason for killing him). Nagys political live would have been over, but you could still say "better no political live then no live at all." So, in conclusion Nagy was certainly no angel. He was a human with all his mistakes, but a human that took responsibility in a situation when it was needed although it was dangerous.
BTW: I found a video with Colbert that explained everything. I'm afraid he won't make it in the list of candidates
Well, I read that Göncz translated LOTR, but being a good translator doesn't makes him a good leader. He may have been popular. Sólyom is also. But both have too less power to really be important. In some decades most people won't know their names anymore. However, you are free to vote for whoever you want.
I haven't voted for Horthy. I think he propably wanted the best for Hungary, but was rather incompetent. He was like Wilhelm II. of Germany (I think he is known as Vilmos in Hungary). Well, the situation during his reign didn't allow him much. However, in the end he hasn't reached anything. Although he was no nazi, he only sacrified lives of hungarian jews.
I have voted for Nagy. Sure, he propably has betrayed people to the soviet secret service. I think because of the situation he didn't have much choices. I heard that in the 30s there were a list of about 2000 Hungarian communists living in the USSR that were possible members of a hungarian puppet government after WW2. At the end of WW2 there were only about 20 left. All the others have been killed by Stalin. So, for Nagy it was the choice either to be the hunter or the hunted. But of course it's still not a positive aspect of his live or his personality. However, later he was also popular, which is why I have suggested to make him charismatic. In 56 he propably was not a fanatic supporter of the revolution, but I think he honestly supported most of the things the revolution wanted. It took him a while to take a clear position, because he was a person that rather likes to avoid risk I think. That's why he may have betrayed others to the soviet secret service. Well, he took a clear postion in time, that's what counts. I also think that the point that the revolution got a kind of government, was very important. This way the revolution got a face for Hungarians and foreigners and it brought some kind of order into the chaos. I don't claim he had control over the fighters on the street, but he was able to give the revolution a direction. What would have happened without a government you can see by take a look what happened 53 in the GDR. Hungarys revolution went much farer than that. However, when Nagy later was in prison because of participating in the revolution, AFAIK he didn't betrayed anybody nor did he betrayed the revolution. I'd say he proudly died for 56. That's speculative, but I think he could have saved his live if he would have betrayed some people and accepted his "guiltyness". This way the Kádár government could have shown its "humanity" by forgiving even his worst enemies and Kádár wouldn't have to fear Nagy anymore because Nagy would have lost all of his popularity (which was the main reason for killing him). Nagys political live would have been over, but you could still say "better no political live then no live at all." So, in conclusion Nagy was certainly no angel. He was a human with all his mistakes, but a human that took responsibility in a situation when it was needed although it was dangerous.
BTW: I found a video with Colbert that explained everything. I'm afraid he won't make it in the list of candidates
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Thanks for the link. Looks great. It'll definately in the next version.
Well, I read that Göncz translated LOTR, but being a good translator doesn't makes him a good leader. He may have been popular. Sólyom is also. But both have too less power to really be important. In some decades most people won't know their names anymore. However, you are free to vote for whoever you want.
I haven't voted for Horthy. I think he propably wanted the best for Hungary, but was rather incompetent. He was like Wilhelm II. of Germany (I think he is known as Vilmos in Hungary). Well, the situation during his reign didn't allow him much. However, in the end he hasn't reached anything. Although he was no nazi, he only sacrified lives of hungarian jews.
I have voted for Nagy. Sure, he propably has betrayed people to the soviet secret service. I think because of the situation he didn't have much choices. I heard that in the 30s there were a list of about 2000 Hungarian communists living in the USSR that were possible members of a hungarian puppet government after WW2. At the end of WW2 there were only about 20 left. All the others have been killed by Stalin. So, for Nagy it was the choice either to be the hunter or the hunted. But of course it's still not a positive aspect of his live or his personality. However, later he was also popular, which is why I have suggested to make him charismatic. In 56 he propably was not a fanatic supporter of the revolution, but I think he honestly supported most of the things the revolution wanted. It took him a while to take a clear position, because he was a person that rather likes to avoid risk I think. That's why he may have betrayed others to the soviet secret service. Well, he took a clear postion in time, that's what counts. I also think that the point that the revolution got a kind of government, was very important. This way the revolution got a face for Hungarians and foreigners and it brought some kind of order into the chaos. I don't claim he had control over the fighters on the street, but he was able to give the revolution a direction. What would have happened without a government you can see by take a look what happened 53 in the GDR. Hungarys revolution went much farer than that. However, when Nagy later was in prison because of participating in the revolution, AFAIK he didn't betrayed anybody nor did he betrayed the revolution. I'd say he proudly died for 56. That's speculative, but I think he could have saved his live if he would have betrayed some people and accepted his "guiltyness". This way the Kádár government could have shown its "humanity" by forgiving even his worst enemies and Kádár wouldn't have to fear Nagy anymore because Nagy would have lost all of his popularity (which was the main reason for killing him). Nagys political live would have been over, but you could still say "better no political live then no live at all." So, in conclusion Nagy was certainly no angel. He was a human with all his mistakes, but a human that took responsibility in a situation when it was needed although it was dangerous.
BTW: I found a video with Colbert that explained everything. I'm afraid he won't make it in the list of candidates
Nagy Imre is also fine by me. Yep, the President in Hungary is very limited in power. It also may be the reason they are the most likable of the bunch. But I'd still choose one of them, all things considered. Or even better, don't have a modern leader for Hungary.
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I think this should be the question we ask: who's fault is it that communism in Hungary was so... moderate?
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Besides that I don't understand why this should be the question, I don't understand why that was a fault at all. Without that moderate comunism Hungary would have never become the "happy barrack of the east". Hungarians had some privilegs compared to people from other eastern european countries. However, that system didn't work either, but at least better then beton communism.
This moderate way was a condequence of 56. Kádár feared that another revolution could break out if people are too unhappy. That Kádár had to fear that was because the revolution of 56 was so consequent and that was partially Nagys work. On the other side Kádár may have sympathized with the revolution himself. When the revolution began, he officially supported it. It is also reported that he said something like "If the Russians come back, I'll fight them with my pure hands if necessary." I personally don't think he lied with that. He has been torturted by the secret service. When he decided to cooperate with the Russians he certainly served his own interests, but I think he also saw what would happen. The revolution had never a chance to win, the Russians would never allow Hungary to become independent. That would give an example to other communistic countries. By colaborating with the Russians he was able to save some achievements of the revolution. For example he never reestablished the ÁVH. Otherwise all those people could have died for nothing. So let's come back to the point that he feared another revolution. To avoid unhappiness he decided to concentrate more on making live easier and comfortable for people while in other communistic countries it was usual to first develop the industry. This is how Hungary became the happy barrack. Well, both mentioned philosophies lead to the ruin, because Kádár had to take western credits for his strategy he could never pay back. On the other side Kádár was right that people wold uprise. Besides of economic issues the lack of consumer goods etc was a strong aspect of the failure of other communistic systems. So, in conclusion Kádár, just as Nagy, wasn't a simple character either. Certainly not a hero, but not as bad as one could think in the first moment. I think both, Nagy and Kádár, were involved in the moderate communism.
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