Ho ho ho and a bottle of Tokaj! - A Magyar civ

Download link broken for me.

Well, the links to the mod and its patch aren't broken. However, some users seem to have problems with adrive, so I published an alternative link to mediafire. Follow the download link at the first post to the file db. Don't press on "download file" there, instead take a look at the description. The alternative links are at the bottom.

The links to the Hungarization were broken indeed. I thought I have fixed them after a user pointed me on that issue before. Looks like I forgot it... However, now they are fixed, but it maybe needed to register at civ4hun.zump.co.cc. The Hungarization is not needed to play this mod, it only translates the game to hungarian. I think this is only of interest for hungarian users for whom it may be of interest to register at civ4hun.zump.co.cc anyways.

Note: all the new links still refer to the old version of this mod. I am currently waiting for some unit artworks I'd like to include into the new version. So it's not in my hands when the new version will be published, but Bakuel told me that he will finish his work soon.

@avain: did you already searched for additional pictures or information of that type of clothing we spoke about? Or was your search unsuccessful?

Actually I directly added them to Bakuel's thread, we're also having some nice discussions about the Hungarian set there:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=311427

Another vote for Horthy at the hungarian forum... He takes over the lead now...

cool3a2, actually I think your Nagy Imre leaderhead is quite cool, you should finish it and include it in the mod!

I already thought about adding him and ignoring the poll. I already updated the LH, although I am not too satisfied with him... And there are bugs anyways... I would at least have to ask for help. But this way I would have a bad feeling because of totally ignoring the polls resilts... I don't know. I think we have 4 votes since the last week, but no clear result. Horthy only leads with one vote, that's actually nothing. Well, 1 and a half week ago I said I would 2 weeks more. So, I think if there is no clear result next monday (a difference of let's say 3 votes between the first and the second), then I'll tell Kabcsi to stop the poll, I think. Then I would still have enough time to get help for the Nagy LH till Bakuel can finish his units. Then I could include everything in the next version.

However, I actually don't see what it could be that make Horthy a good leader. Sure, he gained back lot's of the at Trianon lost territories, but... nagy kunszt. I mean that wasn't really his effort. Hitler wanted to get allies. Romania and Hungary both were candidates. The advantage of Hungary was, that it is placed better. I mean, this way he put the front farer away from Germany. Yugoslavia and Slovakia have been occupied / attacked anyways. Giving some of the conquered territories to Hungary was simply "divide and conquer". Well, one could argument he could have satisfied both, Romania and Hungary, by giving back the slovak and yugoslav territories to Hungary and keep everything as it is in Transylvania. But Horthy wouldn't have been satisfied with that as the Székelys and Transylvania are too important and thus he may have changed sites. However, gaining back those territories wasn't so hard as it met with Hitlers plans and thus you only had to go for it. The real challenge was keeping those territories. Horthy also didn't manage to keep his power, instead he was replaced by the hungarian nazis. So, in the end I'd say he was nothing but a loser. And as mentioned before he sacrified a lot of hungarian Jews for his goals he hasn't even reached. On the other side there is also another, practical point against him: I can't think of good traits as aggressive and expansive are both used for Árpád. I asked for suggestions about the traits, but nobody gave some.

cool3a2 said:

I already thought about adding him and ignoring the poll. I already updated the LH, although I am not too satisfied with him... And there are bugs anyways... I would at least have to ask for help. But this way I would have a bad feeling because of totally ignoring the polls resilts... I don't know. I think we have 4 votes since the last week, but no clear result. Horthy only leads with one vote, that's actually nothing. Well, 1 and a half week ago I said I would 2 weeks more. So, I think if there is no clear result next monday (a difference of let's say 3 votes between the first and the second), then I'll tell Kabcsi to stop the poll, I think. Then I would still have enough time to get help for the Nagy LH till Bakuel can finish his units. Then I could include everything in the next version.

However, I actually don't see what it could be that make Horthy a good leader. Sure, he gained back lot's of the at Trianon lost territories, but... nagy kunszt. I mean that wasn't really his effort. Hitler wanted to get allies. Romania and Hungary both were candidates. The advantage of Hungary was, that it is placed better. I mean, this way he put the front farer away from Germany. Yugoslavia and Slovakia have been occupied / attacked anyways. Giving some of the conquered territories to Hungary was simply "divide and conquer". Well, one could argument he could have satisfied both, Romania and Hungary, by giving back the slovak and yugoslav territories to Hungary and keep everything as it is in Transylvania. But Horthy wouldn't have been satisfied with that as the Székelys and Transylvania are too important and thus he may have changed sites. However, gaining back those territories wasn't so hard as it met with Hitlers plans and thus you only had to go for it. The real challenge was keeping those territories. Horthy also didn't manage to keep his power, instead he was replaced by the hungarian nazis. So, in the end I'd say he was nothing but a loser. And as mentioned before he sacrified a lot of hungarian Jews for his goals he hasn't even reached. On the other side there is also another, practical point against him: I can't think of good traits as aggressive and expansive are both used for Árpád. I asked for suggestions about the traits, but nobody gave some.

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cool3a2, I like when you get so heated about (Hungarian) history)
You could also enumerate as much against Nagy also, but what I'm telling you is that you could allow yourself such a "privilage", as to include a leader you prefer. I don't think anyone would say/think anything bad about it.

Thank you avain, but I actually wasn't headed when I wrote it, I was pretty relaxt. It's just that I don't see any clear positive aspect of Horthy. I know that lots of the older people in Hungary like him, because he tried to get back those territories. And to people that are less educated it may look like it was a great thing. But once you take a closer look, and every modern man should be able to do that, it wasn't a that great thing (I explained that in he last post). So, in short: it's just that I don't see any reason to honor him and I thought anyone could explain why there are still people voting for him. Sure, you could find enough negative aspects about Nagy (and I'm not a leftist! I decline socialsm [in the european sense, not the american -> socialism like in Germany now = okay, but like in GDR or Hungary till 1990 = not okay]), but at least he sacrified his live for the revolution and the country. You can barely do more for your home. And this will still be know in decades while they will forget Horthy more and more.

Unbelievable! Jancsi got a vote!

Overview about the next version and future changes:
Currently I am working on the new version. Bakuels units are all added, besides of the pikeman. As pikeman I'd like to keep avains unit, I am just thinking about reskinning it a bit. If the metall parts would be a bit more detailed, maybe by using parts of one of Bakuels textures, it would fit better to the rest of the units. For the modern unit set I "borrowed" some of the units avain uses for his mod. I also helped him to improve the Zrínyi. Besides of that I made the old knight, actually an early Huszár, being a cuirassier. In contrast to avains version it uses a long gun. Whether I really use it or not, depends on whether Bakuel makes an early Huszár and on how it would look like (probably very good). I could make Bakuels early Huszár also use a long gun... I also wait for Bakuels new worker. If these two units have been finished, I'll probably publish the next version of the mod.

Jobs for the future would be work on settlers. As early settlers I'd use a composition of avains early and medieval settlers. The medieval settler would then be Zervers settler. Mayb I'll use that also as modern settler, I'll see. Another major point are leaderheads. The current leaderheads should all be fixed with the next version, but still there is an outstanding request (I hope Methy didn't decide to go in civ4 modding pension) and there still has to be found a solution for the new leader. Currently I am thinking about keeping everything as it is. The reason for this is, that there is no clear result of the poll. There are two candidates with the same count of votes, and even the third one is not so far away (two votes less then the leading pair). However, that depends also on Kabcsis opinion, but unfortunately he is away for a while.

I've corrected the links. There is no alternative link anymore. Instead the former alternative links became the default links as adrive changed its rules and thus made their server unusuable for my purposes.

Happy 15th of march!


(the title is "szabadsághős" - hero of liberty)

If you want I'll upload the settler I shown but...
I'm improving myself strongly and I afraid these are just a pathetic parody on what Im going to create (I mean settlers)

Zerver said:

If you want I'll upload the settler I shown but...
I'm improving myself strongly and I afraid these are just a pathetic parody on what Im going to create (I mean settlers)

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Zerver, please do upload those settlers anyway! Of course after that if you create new ones we'd be more than pleased to have those, too!

Yeah. Depending on how long you think it will take you to create the new settlers I'd use them as a temporary solution. I'll have less time from now on, so I won't be able to finish the next version much earlier then in two weeks. If you think you could finish it within a month I would wait with my mod till that.

Not only settlers. In the near future I think I'm going to replace every unit by my production.
OK, gonna find 'em in my units folder...
I think it's the last my upload in such a level of unit-making.

Thank you, Zerver! I'm looking forward to see your new units!

Thanks, Zerv'!

Okay, just wanna give a short overview about what's going on with this mod. I know I said the mod will be published within 2 weeks - already months ago. Well, there where new stuff for this mod again and again I wanted to have in the next version in any case.
So far I finished my unit works. Lots of Bakuels and avains units have been added. Also Zervers settlers. I kept the settlers simple, so no cattle etc. Simply a man, a woman and a child. I'll have to work on these anyways when Zerver uploads his final version, so I'll come back to that later.
I also updated the turul statue with avains texture.
I also spend some time on the leaders. There will be a new version of Széchenyi we made in cooperation with avain. Mine won't be much different then avains version that has been published with his VD module, only the gloss is slightly different. I also managed to shader Kossuth without causing gloss on the skin. His eyes still behave strange. Ekmek promised me he will take a look at him, but he is busy at the moment. I also changed Corvinus the way avain suggested in his thread and I am also using a new background (a bit different then avains). Árpád has also been improved since the last version. Another good thing is, that Methyl returned and already finished 50% of my request Also, the new leader has been added. You may find that 6 leaders are too much. Well, I think that's the maximum and I definately don't want to add another leader. So no Horthy, guys. If you still think 6 leaders are too much, well, you can choose only one and free to change the mod as you like. You are even allowed to publish your version, but giving credits would be nice then. So, who will be the new leader? As mentioned it's not Horthy. I found it would be interesting to use this picture, I know I already posted it before, as static leaderhead...

... but his times are over now and he left nothing but chaos and no one voted for him. Let's just forget this dark chapter of hungarian history. So he didn't make it. Instead I've choosen Nagy. Göncz got more votes, but there were four problems with him: a) I couldn't find a good explanation why he was a good leader, b) he is too fresh, c) it would have been harder to get an animated LH and d) Nagy seemed to be the leader most users can live with, so he was the best compromise. As traits I gave Nagy charismatic and protective (just as Churchil), made him favoring state property and as favors gold 4 and growth 3. He has no favored religion although christianity could theoritically work also. I have no clue about what the favors actually control and I found it hard to find a good solution for this. There is still time to discuss the properties of Nagy, so feel free to post here. The first version of the animated LH will probably be buggy - and this may never change. Lots of leaderhead creators are currently busy, which is why I have little hope that the first version will already be fixed. Also, interest in this LH was limited. Well, better then nothing. Currently I am working on the civilopedia and diplomacy texts. The english and the german version of the civilopedia entry are finished, avain takes the hungarian and I already asked 10lire for an italian translation. From the latter I haven't got an answer yet, hope he is fine. The diplomacy texts will probably missing in the next version, or at least be incomplete.
Lastly I have slightly changed Hungarys border colour. You probably won't recognize any difference. The reason for this was, that when the Ottomans and Hungary had a common border, it simply became invisible. That doesn't means you could have crossed it in times of peace, but this caused some lost of overview. With this small trick there are now visible borders if Ottomans and Hungarians settle near each other.

So, I hope I haven't forgot any major changes. Hope I got you hung(a)ry

I have sent to you a PM with the italian translation of Nagy's civilopedia text. In this post there is an attachment with a xml-formatted version.

I have included avains and 10lires Nagy civilopedia entry into the mod. Thank you, guys. Now waiting for the_capo and Methyl finishing my requests.