King of the World #12: Sitting Bull

Actually, believe it or not (you know it from the ALCs) I'm one of the people who hate other people who nag the person who's hosting a series to post the next update.

I think my post can be interpreted in a way that I didn't mean. I don't want to nag Neal, all I was trying to say is, Neal's KotWs is pretty much one of the few decent things left.
 
Aye, it certainly is. The effort he puts into his updates is awesome, especially the roleplaying aspects and such.
 
And I'm back! Sorta. I guess "getting home on the 26th" was a little optimistic. Blargh. I woke up at 5 a.m. London time yesterday, and finally pulled into my driveway at 10 p.m. Eastern. Needless to say, I was eventually seeing things on the roadside and fell asleep before I hit the pillow.

I'm feelin' pretty good today, though. And I've got the day off. Lemme take care of the usual getting-home tripe and I'll try to knock out a round sometime tonight. Tomorrow early afternoon at the latest.

Thanks for the love!
 
Hey Neal! How was London? Please note if you answer negatively you shall be destroyed.

Cannot wait!!
 
YAY HE IS BACK! Nice! Your always loyal fan ( from the Toku KotW anyways)
 
Woof. Jet lag is a crueler mistress than I'd given her credit for. And I think I'm coming down with something nasty, besides. I think I'm gonna want one more night's sleep before tackling Round 2 (especially considering that it's probably gonna be a biggie).

Until then, anyone have any advice on how to keep from becoming a backwater? Or should I just resign myself to it? Isolated starts are rough, and I'm still not entirely comfortable with Immortal yet.

Oh, London was fantastic, by the way :)
 
Should've gone to Dublin..

Anyways, welcome back Neal!
 
How not to become backwater with all the land in North America... Now that's a tough one ;).
I'll just say specialize like hell and leave "Cottages!" to someone else.
 
Hi Neal,

hope you enjoyed Europe, although UK must seem like Europe-light to an american :-)))

There is IMHO only one way to compete with "the world" from the americas. You need to have, what eurasian Civs already have: Contact! You have space, good land and access to all strategic resources. Now you need a seat on the table for the eurasian tech-trade game. And that means boats. If you can manage to caravel yourself to the Pacific Rim and/or Europe, you will have scientific advantage over your immediate neighbors.
That means, that you can aggro-expand into their territory with more ease and less military expense whenever your economy or startegic interest demands and allows it.
This strategy also fits your reverse colonization agenda.
Go ASAP to caravel (AFAIK the first ship/tech to cross the oceans on that map if you haven't WB modified Greenland or Alaska) and trade goodies, tech etc. Research stuff they don't have and backfill.

That way I was able to succeed with all 3 American Civs on Immortal earth 18 vanilla. (Tho I had to WB open the Andes for HC to win with him:( )
 
Neal,

I've been reading your KotW threads ... they're a great read, thanks for going to all the effort of posting them. I'm relatively new to Civ IV, and I'm learning a lot from these threads and the forums in general.

Keep up the great work!
 
All right. Short round, but I'm sick as a Dog Soldier and, besides, I'm at yet another decision point.

Sitting Bull was perturbed. The spirits visited him in his sleep, warning him of the development of far-flung peoples growing in strength and vitality as his own empire stagnated. The citizens of Cahokia and Tenochtitlan enjoyed relative productivity and prosperity, but relative to what? The Maya? Their master doesn't even wear a shirt, for the spirits' sakes! The mysteries of the sea would need to be unlocked, but not until the Native American people could ride the waves from a position of strength.

The spirits knew many secrets. And Sitting Bull knew just the way to make them give them up. All research into Masonry was abandoned. The people were ordered to learn the skill of channeling the gods of wood and sky. As the populations of Cahokia and Tenochtitlan quizzically obeyed their lord's seemingly mad orders, the empire continued to grow, claiming the Gulf of Mexico with the new city of Baton Rouge:

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This new land showed great promise, and would add much to Sitting Bull's empire.

Once the secrets of Meditation were unlocked, Sitting Bull was determined to develop a mystical elite, who could guide the people in their quests for enlightenment. Many of the king's advisors considered this insane, for he gambled much for seemingly no gain while fields went untilled and hills went unmined. On the eve of the discovery of Priesthood, though, a young medicine man named Chuang-Tzu gained influence in Cahokia, claiming that he would lead his people through the turbulent times ahead:

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Sitting Bull was pleased with this development. All was going according to his mad plan.

The people of Tenochtitlan began construction of a vast temple, where Sitting Bull and his Priests might meditate and learn the will of the spirits. Meanwhile, the medicine men back home were instructed to study the secrets of Writing, so that the instructions given might be recorded for all time. In 1150 B.C., with Writing completed, the people of Cahokia were finally allowed to return to their studies of Masonry, and the streets of Tenochtitlan ran red with blood as Sitting Bull threw everything into the construction of his Oracle:

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Sitting Bull awoke from his trance to the sound of wailing in the streets and the weight of a tablet in his lap. He looked down and saw, written before him, the Way of the Spirits, written down in exquisite detail.

He ran through the streets of Tenochtitlan, holding up the tablets for all to see. His Dog Soldiers struggled to keep up and protect him from those who had lost family members in the construction of the Oracle. Enough people listened, though, that a new religion was born:

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And born in Tenochtitlan, no less! With the force of the Oracle and the fervor of the new religion, together with the far-off influence of Stonehenge, Sitting Bull knew that Tenochtitlan had gained ammunition in its border skirmishes with Mutal. Chuang-Tzu rushed southwards toward the harsh Mexican desert to spread the word of the new faith.

As Sitting Bull reveled in the embrace of the spirits, the more pragmatic elders of Cahokia sent off a new band of Settlers to lay claim to the Atlantic coast:

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Savannah was a strong city, bound to be one of the crown jewels of the Americas.

Pacal, despite his jealousy at Sitting Bull's success, saw that his northern neighbor did, indeed, speak the will of the spirits. He converted readily:

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This was to both improve relations and fill Sitting Bull's coffers immensely.

Fifty years after Pacal's conversion, Chuang-Tzu finally reached Tenochtitlan and set himself up as prelate of the Way of the Spirit:

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Sitting Bull hated to share power, but the high priest was skilled and loyal, spreading the word and bringing in considerable profit.

In 1025 B.C., Sitting Bull, now adorned with the mantles of the Speaker to the Spirits, stood smugly before his advisors. His gambit had worked. Tenochtitlan was vastly more powerful than it ever could have been before, and the Americas were united in a bond of faith. But there were problems to be addressed. Barbarians were at the gates, burning fields and threatening cities. The quest to claim the continent was going slowly. And Sitting Bull stood at a technological crossroads:

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The madness had passed, and Sitting Bull was once again taciturn and calculating. Pottery seemed, to him, the logical choice. Despite his Philosophical nature, Sitting Bull knew that the wheels of empire were greased with gold, and the precious metals of Cahokia and Tenochtitlan and even the valuable shrine could not support his people forever. And besides, the Granaries that could be built with that knowledge would allow his cities to grow substantially. But there were other options. Monarchy would allow Sitting Bull to make himself King in name as well as fact, and would end his happiness problems forever. Archery would be an easy technology to earn, and would beef up city defenses considerably.

The cities were all fantastic, but Sitting Bull feared they might not be enough:

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More Settlers were needed, but they also needed Dog Soldiers to protect them from the incursions of the Nationless Ones.

Finally, he spread before him a map of the Known World:

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The Rockies were largely quiet. Most of the Barbarian incursions were coming from New England and northern Canada.

So, here we are. It was risky, but I now have yet another easy way to provide Culture and Happiness, and fund expansion, to boot! So what should the next move be? Pump Settlers and Dogs, build Cottages, and crash the economy? I, as always, look forward to the input.

Here's the save:
 
Boats. Ships. Marine Vessels. Kajaks. Kanus. Stuff that stays afloat on Water enough to transport men, goods and news to those unknown civs behind the endless oceans.
 
Not yet Cowboy, how's he gonna use those boats if he can't get anywhere with them? I personally vote for crashin' the economy.. settlers, cottages, and settlers! Get them up and running asap, keep yer research afloat with scientists, and get yer economy up and running in time to recolonize the old world.
 
More cities will solve the barb issues :p CoL will help with the expenses, and, having courthouses, you might even suplement the research with some tech theft from Pacal ( you can't trade with him for a while anyway :p )

BTW, pacal has 4 cities.... it seems he's going south. Good boy, kill the barbs for us :D

On teching: definitely pottery + Sailing for now. Alphabet later maybe. You don't really have happiness issues for now, and as soon as you link those gold and silver from the rockies, you will be ok for a while.
 
If you have OB with Pacal, you should send a unit (even an old warrior) to SAm to scout out how far Pacal has expanded. Also, you may want to leave a scout unit in East Brazil to get early warning for any exploring European civs.
 
Settle/cottages/dog warriors/workers.
Your advantage in this game is land. Land + CoL + cottages = research.

Research means faster optics.

Faster optics means access to Eurasia civs. The only real advantage Eurasia has over you is contacts.
 
@Gagonite: I understand that he can not get anywhere with sailing. But with optics! And that's why I would beeline there no matter the costs. First, you will get plenty of other techs on the way, since Optics is a far goal. Those can be traded with the american civs. Second, reverse colonization won't happen if Neal is too behind in tech to attack the world. No matter how good he trades with his neighbors, the world will tech away easily. But if he beelines he may be the only one specialized on ships and navy, and therefore he'll have something to backfill-trade. The possibilty to trade with 10 new civs will fuel his tech far more than a slightly faster developed infrastructure.
The basic techs will come from his neighbors anyway - no need to develop them yourself. If he gets Alphabet on the way to Optics (which I think will be the case) he can build his cottages and whatnot a bit later. He already has his sources of income and will get some GPs for help.

@Fluxx: +1
 
Yeah I think you're going to want to start working some cottages now.
 
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