King of the World #12: Sitting Bull

Some open border agreements sure would help with the traderoutes, you're definitely not getting the most of Astro now.

Is there an AI of building 11 harbours at the moment? If not, you can postpone this until you invade Europe.
 
Poor colourblind me can't make any sense out of that jungl of browns and greens and whatevers called the power chart :(

Someone care to tell me the current order?
 
Golden Age seems like a good move; choice of religious civic difficult, though. How about going into OR at the start and then switching to Theocracy at the end? Having OR during the base-hammer boosted GA will help get the harbors up real fast (which you should do whether or not you are going for the harbormaster quest; it will boost your economy enormously). Can you make the quest? You have what, 8-9 coastal cities now, with 1 having terrible production (florida, though workshops are a good option now). I believe there's a fish off Nova Scotia ... I'll look at the save when I get home.

EDIT: oops, you're already in OR. I think you should stay in it for most of the GA, and switch out at the end in preparation for warmongering.

EDIT 2: ok, you have 9 coastal cities, with only the florida one being a problematically slow builder. You can put a city in Nova Scotia (fish, a few forest tiles, lots of coast) and a city in Baja California (clams, gols, a few hills, lots of coast) to make 11. Neither of them should be too much of a drain. So I say go for the Harbormaster quest. Navigation 1 + Circumnavigation = 6-move Galleons!
 
Maybe a few turns of good old-fashioned slavery will help get those harbors up?

And you don't need to build two more coastal cities, you need to TAKE two in the UK. Do you really need to wait for rifles to get the fun started? Maybe Lib will buy you an ally or two to keep Boud/Will busy on the continent before you start knockin' on the back door?
 
Rather start building an armada with your coastal cities. You need a strong naval through the ages, better work on it now, you can always spend spare hammers on harbors later
 
I wouldn't focus too much on that quest. Just build those harbors "by the way". I would still recommend a bold move on conquest of the old world: Go Amsterdam!
 
I agree that it'd be better to get ships and your forces ready to move rather than forcing the harbor issue. I don't think any of the AI's will challenge for this given the amount of harbors required (any others with 11 coastal cities?) - Pacal may be your closest rival there ironically. The reward might save a turn or two in getting your initial attack done, but I don't think that's worth the hammer outlay (including the need to build new cities). I also think you'd save MORE time by skipping the harbors and concentrating on the buildup.

Build some harbors as you go in your main coastal cities that would do so anyway, and as you conquer coastal cities in Europe/Africa or wherever you go, build them in these cities when the time is proper. You might even find that some harbors remain intact when you take cities on the coast (do these count toward the ones you need to build?).

So when does this particular event become obsolete? Again, if you miss it I don't think it causes too much strife, but it might be handy to delay the trigger if you are close.
 
@ Kev

Harbormaster
Prereq: COMPASS AND Map has at least 40% water tiles
Obsolete: STEAM_POWER or STEEL or SCIENTIFIC_METHOD or ARTILLERY
 
@Rubbaduck: Wang Kon has the largest army by far, then Willem at about half of that, then Neal, Charlie, Zara, Joao, and finally Hannibal.
 
If you're still planning on conquering the old world, you'd better get on a wartime footing soon. Tick tock. GA the GP. Get into Theocracy, go for the quest (faster ships = good thing), start pumping rifles and cannons (after you finish the quest).
 
In that case he should GA, go into OR (if he isn't already), build the @#$%^ harbors, and go to theo the turn before the GA ends
 
It was time. Sitting Bull had the oceangoing ships he had seen in his visions. He was on the cusp of a monopoly on the death-dealing thundersticks. Only his own trepidation and indecision held him back. He had a nagging suspicion that the Khmer would be a more fruitful target, but the arguments for England's isolation were irrefutable. With a resolute nod and set of the jaw, he called his counsellors into his throne room.

"Order all information-gathering activities to focus on the Dutch and Celts."

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Spies might not play a role in this conflict, but if they did, Sitting Bull wanted to make sure they tipped the odds in his favor, not Boudica's.

"Begin the Golden Age. And make the Civics changes we discussed."

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Trade flowed from the port cities of Brave, Islander, and Laker, and the people were permitted to say and do whatever they wished, so long as they maintained strict religious orthodoxy. Sitting Bull was about to declare war on a supercontinent. Fanaticism in his armies would serve him better than doubt among his civilians.

In 1270, fearful of foreign Settlers, the Native Americans quickly founded the city of Moosehead along the Atlantic coast:

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A quick, concentrated logging spree by Workers as the populace wrote poems and beautified their homes resulted in the borders expanding and a Harbor being completed in record time.

Spies, meanwhile, slipped into the unaffiliated indigenous villages of Australia and made off with a map of the south Pacific. This was useless, but it was a celebrated objet d'art amongst the literati of Hawkeye and Green Wave for a few years. The other village was more productive, hiding a cache of 75 gold which our skilled infiltrators easily absconded with.

In 1280, a rapidly-militarizing Native American heartland received welcome news about their future targets:

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Versailles would be a most useful Wonder to have in the Old World. This made war with Boudica that much more appealing.

Joao, meanwhile, was fairly innocuous. Sitting Bull made a most profitable trade with him:

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The people, still living it up in their Golden Age, did not seem to notice when their rights to Free Speech were quietly revoked, and Buffalo flags began to hang from every wall. The ability to draft a few quick Riflemen, along with the decidedly lower maintenance (a patriotic people is an efficient people) would, hopefully, make up for the loss of Town revenue along the Atlantic coast.

In 1295, the Gilgamesh/Hannibal bloc declared war on Boudica and Willem. Much of Celtia's appeal as a target was in its vulnerability. Sitting Bull had to act fast. The interior built units while the coastal cities focused on building transports:

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Money was also stockpiled in trade to upgrade older troops to crack Riflemen.

In 30 years, when Gilgamesh asked Sitting Bul for aid, the answer was a resounding "yes":

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The invasion force was fairly ramshackle, consisting of a trio of ships loaded down with Rifles and Trebuchets, followed up by another boat every turn or so. Islander and Brave chafed under the Draft, which they considered little more than a new incarnation of the Whip, and Hawkeye's agricultural surplus finally led to overpopulation, but Sitting Bull largely maintained the peace at home.

The Native American empire even continued to expand on the home continent:

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Baja caused much in the way of difficulty for Sitting Bull. It would represent his 11th Harbor, and the completion of the Harbormaster quest. But things moved slowly in that dry, windswept place, and Sitting Bull solemnly decided that researching Steel as quickly as possible was more important than waiting for that final Harbor to be constructed.

The Emerald Isle, meanwhile, long a place of peace, was the first battlefield in Sitting Bull's campaign of domination:

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And... Huh. There's the 11th Harbor. I guess I shouldn't have canceled my campaign of Caravel-building. Boy is my face red :blush:

In happier news, Rene Descartes was born in Hawkeye:

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I couldn't think of what to do with him, so I let him sleep.

On the European mainland, Boudica was on the ropes:

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This is actually a good thing for us, as it'll dial back the cultural pressure significantly.

And in the British Isles, her alliance wasn't faring too much better:

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That's a nice little jackpot. The Customs House, once a new Harbor was built, combined with the Academy and Observatory, and of course the resource-rich nature of the Isles, would result in a powerful science city.

As bivouacing Riflemen struggled to impose order on The Hague and Ireland, the bulk of the army swung south to consolidate control over England:

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Sitting Bull smiled. The sumptuous palace of Versailles had survived intact. It would make a wonderful vacation spot for him, as well as a defensible beachhead for his armies.

But Cultural pressure from Vienne posed a problem. Of course, it wasn't a problem that couldn't be solved with a careful application of materiel:

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So, with Boudica dead and Willem on the ropes, let's pause here for advice. We'll start with a close-in look at the vastly-changed expanse of northern Europe:

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We have taken England and Brittany (except for a Holy Roman outpost Charlemagne snuck into the Scottish Highlands). Hannibal controls Amsterdam. Babylon controls most of France. Willem is limited to Scandinavia and that odd little protrusion from the northern polar ice. I think it's supposed to be Iceland.

The Americas continue to be unchallenged:

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Pacal seems to be expanding nicely into the southern jungles, though he still languishes at the bottom of the scoreboard.

And here's a look at the Old Countries as we know them:

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Yup, it's looking like Hammurabi and Justinian are my long-term rivals, with Wang Kon and Hannibal as the next tier (and the score chart bears that out).

Finally, Relations:

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And techs:

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We have an absolute monopoly on Rifling, and have gotten a few decent offers for it (Like Scientific Method or Constitution). Steel is starting to show up on others' tech charts, though, which is worrisome. Right now I'm researching Steam Power, planning for going Railroads (not gonna delay that again).

So should I make any trades? Who should the next target be? Am I doing anything incredibly stupid (Other than letting the Harbormaster slip through my fingers)? What should I do with that Great Scientist? The game has finally started, so I look forward to some input.

(Oh, and I'm sorry for the somewhat slapdash, inconsistent nature of the writeup. Life's been getting in the way, and I figured a weak round was better than no round at all)

The save:
 
When did you got the sports league quest? Don't remember that ......

I would say to attack Portugal now, He's a vassal of Sury, so than means war with Sury as well. OTOH Aachen is the BIG prize in Europe now ( BTW, that prophet we were talking about... where is him? You are not even trying :p ), but you're far from ready to war Justinian in Europe ....
 
Yeah, I think carving out a niche in Europe is a good bet. Get that beachhead, and those production powerhouses up and running and then you can get a good 2-prong assault on the rest of the world.
 
I was gonna say... Vienne? Where the heck did that come from?

I'd say punish him for his incursion, but I know someone else will just sneak another city up there once that one is reduced to rubble :p Justinian wouldn't be the best enemy to have right as yet, either.

What caused the harbormaster fail? Was it the entrance to the industrial age without the requisit harbor/caravel count? I don't recall...
 
Wow, this could end up in a giant fight fest. If you can get the big 4 ( Khmer, Korea, Byzantine, Babylon) into a war you could just quietly conquer the less important civs ( Vikings) Then just concentrate on Africa, get Hannibal, Zara, and Shaka under your wing then launch a attack on Justin from Britain and smash Babylons core.

U have quite a tech lead against Khmer, can you bribe them at all?
 
couldn't you have just delayed steel a turn until your last harbor city went out of revolt? Or do you physically have to build them all?

Anyway, I really don't see the point in taking Aachen because it will flip so fast to Justinian... Try to consolidate your holdings now and take more land somewhere where you can actually keep it; HRE lands certainly aren't a good example of that.
 
re: Portugal- Yeah, that makes sense. Time to die, a_Joao_00!!!

re: Vienne- Yeah, that's VERY annoying. But, y'know what? it's NOT gonna compete with The Hague's culture. It's not gonna steal anything. It might even get rocked right off the continent. So it's just that- a minor annoyance.

re: Stockpiling Great Prophets- Right, right. I'd put this game down for so long I'd forgotten. I can run a boatload of Priests in Tenochtitlan, so I'll get right on that.

re: The Harbormaster Quest- The thing is, you need 11 Harbors and 6 Caravels before entering the Industrial Age. Which is triggered by researching the oh-so-juicy Steel tech. Well, the Caravels are pretty useless other than for completing the quest, so once I figured out how long it would take Baja to complete a Harbor, I punted and stopped worrying about finishing the boats. It was only when I was writing up the round that I realized that, duh, I had captured my 11th Harbor! Ah, well. Live and learn. I am NOT replaying that round.
 
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