Maniacal
the green Napoleon
Altered maps thread? I've seen it mentioned but have never found it.
The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny - HoI2 AAR
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Its an Off Topic thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=322666&page=11
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=322666&page=11
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
For those of you who don't go to the Paradox forums, and were interested in game files:
Subi said:
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
serutan is spying on me 
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
Subi - Put me down in the OP as betting on Russia!
Bratmon
Super Bratmon 3
And put my bet in the OP as well. Did you think I was lieing?
Remember, I bet on the destruction of the save file.
Remember, I bet on the destruction of the save file.
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
IronMan2055
Korra 2011
Told you France was going to win. =P
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Update III - June 1, 1937 - January 1, 1938
We start off this update in China. With India advancing into their territory, Yunnan gets annexed by Nationalist China, opening up the potentially entertaining battle of India vs. China vs. Japan.
Next up in 95th position is Bolivia. After getting attacked from all sides by Brazil, Chile, Argentina, and Peru, Chile finally finishes off Bolivia. Though Bolivia managed to hold out a while considering they only ever built something like 1 division and were surrounded by larger countries.
Sweden is the next to fall, after being conquered by Norway and the Polish army. And when I say Polish army, I really mean French army. It appears that being the home to Paradox isn't enough to save Sweden from being defeated.
With its archnemesis, the Confederate States, defeated. the US now just has Canada and Mexico to deal with. And of course, since the Californians are too busy making movies or something to finish Canada off, force the Americans to march all the way across the continent, they figured they would finish off Mexico. So now with Mexico annexed, Central America is now open to American invasion.
Up next we head to Africa, where the South Africans finally got around to doing something by invading Mozambique after Ethiopia already conquered half of it. Though considering how aggresive Rhodesia and Ethiopia have been its a wonder they actually lasted all the way to 92nd spot.
The next elimination is a very exciting one. Poland defeats Byelorussia, setting up an epic Poland/France vs. Russia showdown. As you can see in the screenshot the Russians have moved some of their divisions to the border already, so they are well prepared.
Another South American one. Brazil annexes Ecuador, leaving just 5 nations left in South America. 6 if you count Dominican Venezuala. And so now the continent comes down to a showdown of Brazil, Peru, Chile, and Argentina. And I do believe that Peru and Brazil are at war, so soon it will be down to a showdown between the big 3.
Up next is Mongolia. Unfortunately for them, they don't have a zombie leader like France has with their apparent leader, Zombie Napoleon. So no Zombie Genghis Khan, as awesome as that would be. Though China does get revenge for that whole Mongol conquest thing a couple hundred years back with their annexation of Mongolia. Though I suppose Qing China did control Mongolia, as I learnt from playing Vicky, so maybe now Mongolia does need Zombie Genghis Khan...
We don't have to go very far for the next elimination. Its Mongolia's former neighbour, Siberia, who are defeated by the combined forces of the Transural Republic and Primorsk. Though if its any consolation for Siberia, at least they got a nice looking number, 88th.
The Brits continue their trek across the Sahara by defeating two more countries. First off the Brits annex Algeria, from which they just keep marching right into Tunisia. So at 87th and 86th, the newest members of the British Empire, Algeria and Tunisia.
Over in the eastern Mediterranean, the Greeks come to the realization that invading Turkey was a bad idea. And since I seem to be talking a lot about zombie leaders, no, they didn't have a Zombie Alexander, otherwise they would probably be halfway to India by now.
Those Somalians sure are sneaky. They waited until the Ethiopian army was halfway across the continent then invaded, easily finishing them off. And as you can see in the bottom of this screenshot, the Congo went and grabbed Tanzania.
With Greece defeated, the Turkish army begins to take on all of its enemies. They start off by pushing the Iraqis back across the border, and into the Caucausususus or however you spell it Mountains, with Armenia being the first to fall.
In 82nd place, is Costa Rica. Now, I'm sure some of you are thinking that the US is responsible for this, but you are wrong. Instead, the British sailed halfway across the world and decided to launch an amphibious assualt against Costa Rica. Those silly Brits.
Finishing what California started off, the Americans finish off Canada. Pretty much all of those units in California are American. Guess who's going to win when these two fight it out? And apparently I now live in California.
Following Armenia's lead, Georgia is the next in Turkey's Caucausus adventure. And so 80th place goes to the country that shares it name with a US state. And yes, Azerbaijan is also at war with Turkey, so expect them to be out sometime in the near future.
Apparently sitting around the entire game and only invading one province in Mozambique and then getting invaded by the UK and Rhodesia is a bad strategy. Or apparently it is for South Africa. Who knows, that might work well for someone else. But anyways, Rhodesia and the UK split it. Though Rhodesia better be careful, as it appears that Angola is making a move up north.
Amazingly, the French finally get around to taking Malta from the Italians, thus eliminating them. Its kind of ridiculous how long it took Italy to lose considering they were so easily beaten on the mainland. And Austria lucked out by being a British puppet and got a province out of it. The French must really hate that.
Another of those "how did they survive this long" countries. Liberia. With the least IC in the game, I don't think they even managed to build a single unit. But still it took the British, who apparently felt 4 divisions were needed for such an operation to let Benin-Sahel annex it.
Two more, then an overview. Things get more interesting on the Russian front. Russia actually managed to push the allied armies back into Poland, allowing Ukraine to break out a little and gain a border with Yugoslavia. Thus, Yugoslavia was able to attack and take the Black Sea coast, which had been Polish territory. And so now with the Polish defeat of Ukraine, Russia now faces two enemies. Two enemies who aren't at war with each other.
And the final elimination of this update goes to Egypt, at number 75. Adding to their North Africa empire, the British retake Egypt, and are beginning to push southwards into Sudan. I was kind of hoping they would keep going into the Middle East and fight the Turks for a rematch of the First World War.
And so now lets take a look at the continents. The Franco-Polish armies have pushed into northern Scandinavia, and Norway is backed into a corner. Of course, by diverting their armies northwards, the Russians have made a push into Byelorussia and into Poland itself. Of course, the Yugoslavians have advanced along the coast and into southern Ukraine, so now another front has opened up against the Russians, along with the one against Poland and the one in India. In Northern Africa, the British have established a sizeable empire and now control access to the Mediterranean. Lastly, Turkey has begun its advance into Azerbaijan, and Iraq will probably be next.
Next a look at Asia. The Japanese have started tearing away at China, taking almost the entire coastline. and invading Indochina. Additionally, the Japanese have defeated the Indonesian army and taken Java and Sulawesi, though a few more VPs remain scattered about the islands. In addition, they have launched an invasion into Northern Australia. The Indians seem to be doing a decent job of holding back the Russian invasion, despite losing a fair amount of ground to them. But it looks like Japan is going to be the winner among the Asian nations.
In South America Brazil, Chile, and Peru have started their battle, with Argentina simply sitting on the sidelines. Peru isn't looking good, with their enemies gaining ground on them. In the north, the Dominican still holds onto Venezuala, and no one has yet to invade Guyana. Also notice that the Dominican Republic has taken one of the British Caribbean islands.
Still no clear winner in Africa, though the Brits are looking to be making a push for that title. Rhodesia has destroyed the Angolan army, and its just a matter of time there. Somalia, Rhodesia, and Congo are all fighting over East Africa, though Somalia will soon have to contend with the British. Benin-Sahel annexed Cameroon, and I forgot to screenshot it, so lets just say they were 74th, since I do believe it happened later on in the update.
North America remains little changed since that Canada annexation screenshot. The US annexed Guatemala, which I just realized as I'm typing this that I also forgot to screenshot that one. We'll call them 92nd, since it happened right after Mexico. Also Cuba is invading the Bahamas, and the Dominican has 3 British islands.
We start off this update in China. With India advancing into their territory, Yunnan gets annexed by Nationalist China, opening up the potentially entertaining battle of India vs. China vs. Japan.
Next up in 95th position is Bolivia. After getting attacked from all sides by Brazil, Chile, Argentina, and Peru, Chile finally finishes off Bolivia. Though Bolivia managed to hold out a while considering they only ever built something like 1 division and were surrounded by larger countries.
Sweden is the next to fall, after being conquered by Norway and the Polish army. And when I say Polish army, I really mean French army. It appears that being the home to Paradox isn't enough to save Sweden from being defeated.
With its archnemesis, the Confederate States, defeated. the US now just has Canada and Mexico to deal with. And of course, since the Californians are too busy making movies or something to finish Canada off, force the Americans to march all the way across the continent, they figured they would finish off Mexico. So now with Mexico annexed, Central America is now open to American invasion.
Up next we head to Africa, where the South Africans finally got around to doing something by invading Mozambique after Ethiopia already conquered half of it. Though considering how aggresive Rhodesia and Ethiopia have been its a wonder they actually lasted all the way to 92nd spot.
The next elimination is a very exciting one. Poland defeats Byelorussia, setting up an epic Poland/France vs. Russia showdown. As you can see in the screenshot the Russians have moved some of their divisions to the border already, so they are well prepared.
Another South American one. Brazil annexes Ecuador, leaving just 5 nations left in South America. 6 if you count Dominican Venezuala. And so now the continent comes down to a showdown of Brazil, Peru, Chile, and Argentina. And I do believe that Peru and Brazil are at war, so soon it will be down to a showdown between the big 3.
Up next is Mongolia. Unfortunately for them, they don't have a zombie leader like France has with their apparent leader, Zombie Napoleon. So no Zombie Genghis Khan, as awesome as that would be. Though China does get revenge for that whole Mongol conquest thing a couple hundred years back with their annexation of Mongolia. Though I suppose Qing China did control Mongolia, as I learnt from playing Vicky, so maybe now Mongolia does need Zombie Genghis Khan...
We don't have to go very far for the next elimination. Its Mongolia's former neighbour, Siberia, who are defeated by the combined forces of the Transural Republic and Primorsk. Though if its any consolation for Siberia, at least they got a nice looking number, 88th.
The Brits continue their trek across the Sahara by defeating two more countries. First off the Brits annex Algeria, from which they just keep marching right into Tunisia. So at 87th and 86th, the newest members of the British Empire, Algeria and Tunisia.
Over in the eastern Mediterranean, the Greeks come to the realization that invading Turkey was a bad idea. And since I seem to be talking a lot about zombie leaders, no, they didn't have a Zombie Alexander, otherwise they would probably be halfway to India by now.
Those Somalians sure are sneaky. They waited until the Ethiopian army was halfway across the continent then invaded, easily finishing them off. And as you can see in the bottom of this screenshot, the Congo went and grabbed Tanzania.
With Greece defeated, the Turkish army begins to take on all of its enemies. They start off by pushing the Iraqis back across the border, and into the Caucausususus or however you spell it Mountains, with Armenia being the first to fall.
In 82nd place, is Costa Rica. Now, I'm sure some of you are thinking that the US is responsible for this, but you are wrong. Instead, the British sailed halfway across the world and decided to launch an amphibious assualt against Costa Rica. Those silly Brits.
Finishing what California started off, the Americans finish off Canada. Pretty much all of those units in California are American. Guess who's going to win when these two fight it out? And apparently I now live in California.
Following Armenia's lead, Georgia is the next in Turkey's Caucausus adventure. And so 80th place goes to the country that shares it name with a US state. And yes, Azerbaijan is also at war with Turkey, so expect them to be out sometime in the near future.
Apparently sitting around the entire game and only invading one province in Mozambique and then getting invaded by the UK and Rhodesia is a bad strategy. Or apparently it is for South Africa. Who knows, that might work well for someone else. But anyways, Rhodesia and the UK split it. Though Rhodesia better be careful, as it appears that Angola is making a move up north.
Amazingly, the French finally get around to taking Malta from the Italians, thus eliminating them. Its kind of ridiculous how long it took Italy to lose considering they were so easily beaten on the mainland. And Austria lucked out by being a British puppet and got a province out of it. The French must really hate that.
Another of those "how did they survive this long" countries. Liberia. With the least IC in the game, I don't think they even managed to build a single unit. But still it took the British, who apparently felt 4 divisions were needed for such an operation to let Benin-Sahel annex it.
Two more, then an overview. Things get more interesting on the Russian front. Russia actually managed to push the allied armies back into Poland, allowing Ukraine to break out a little and gain a border with Yugoslavia. Thus, Yugoslavia was able to attack and take the Black Sea coast, which had been Polish territory. And so now with the Polish defeat of Ukraine, Russia now faces two enemies. Two enemies who aren't at war with each other.
And the final elimination of this update goes to Egypt, at number 75. Adding to their North Africa empire, the British retake Egypt, and are beginning to push southwards into Sudan. I was kind of hoping they would keep going into the Middle East and fight the Turks for a rematch of the First World War.
And so now lets take a look at the continents. The Franco-Polish armies have pushed into northern Scandinavia, and Norway is backed into a corner. Of course, by diverting their armies northwards, the Russians have made a push into Byelorussia and into Poland itself. Of course, the Yugoslavians have advanced along the coast and into southern Ukraine, so now another front has opened up against the Russians, along with the one against Poland and the one in India. In Northern Africa, the British have established a sizeable empire and now control access to the Mediterranean. Lastly, Turkey has begun its advance into Azerbaijan, and Iraq will probably be next.
Next a look at Asia. The Japanese have started tearing away at China, taking almost the entire coastline. and invading Indochina. Additionally, the Japanese have defeated the Indonesian army and taken Java and Sulawesi, though a few more VPs remain scattered about the islands. In addition, they have launched an invasion into Northern Australia. The Indians seem to be doing a decent job of holding back the Russian invasion, despite losing a fair amount of ground to them. But it looks like Japan is going to be the winner among the Asian nations.
In South America Brazil, Chile, and Peru have started their battle, with Argentina simply sitting on the sidelines. Peru isn't looking good, with their enemies gaining ground on them. In the north, the Dominican still holds onto Venezuala, and no one has yet to invade Guyana. Also notice that the Dominican Republic has taken one of the British Caribbean islands.
Still no clear winner in Africa, though the Brits are looking to be making a push for that title. Rhodesia has destroyed the Angolan army, and its just a matter of time there. Somalia, Rhodesia, and Congo are all fighting over East Africa, though Somalia will soon have to contend with the British. Benin-Sahel annexed Cameroon, and I forgot to screenshot it, so lets just say they were 74th, since I do believe it happened later on in the update.
North America remains little changed since that Canada annexation screenshot. The US annexed Guatemala, which I just realized as I'm typing this that I also forgot to screenshot that one. We'll call them 92nd, since it happened right after Mexico. Also Cuba is invading the Bahamas, and the Dominican has 3 British islands.
Bratmon
Super Bratmon 3
Yay! The thread continues! I'm losing my bet!
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
So when are you going to break up the big alliance?
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Might do that after the next update. The people at the Paradox forum seem to be in favour of it.
See what you guys think
All alliance members are coloured in.
And for the fun of it, a full world map
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
Break it all up except for France/Poland.
Nah, break them up too.
No! Anything but that!
Keep it going as it is until stalemate or peace, just like you said in the original post:
There's plenty of war to keep it interesting for the time being, the Franco-Polish war against Russia for instance, or the potential India vs China vs Japan scenario. It's not like things are getting dull, don't change it yet!
Karmic Knight
Neurotic To the Bone
I agree with France/Poland Uber alliance keeping together.
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
I think you should; it will be more competitive (except for North America) if you did so. If you wait much longer, it might wind up being more of a 1984 type situation with a small number of huge countries that will be stalemated.
Now that actually sounds quite good to me: wait for the war to die down a bit with the US, Francopoland and whoever else getting massive and complacent before beginning WWIII. Looks like few others agree though ...
aronnax
Let your spirit be free
I wanna see Brazil and the US fight in the Panama Jungles!!!
steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
Just checking, but is there any way for a team to 'win' this game. If America move south and take over the enter American continent would that trigger anything?
Or am I thinking too much like Civ
Or am I thinking too much like Civ
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