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Well, I play vanilla, but Neal plays BTS. That's too bad. 
King of the World #12: Sitting Bull
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Well, you ALREADY have a GS, why burn it to gain ANOTHER GS? Instead, take Combustion and go crazy! Hammurabi can't strike at you with wooden ships at all! You'll be completely safe! ( that is if you're land attack doesn't completely backfire and screw you over
Also, when are you going to get Communism? Colonial Maintenance can really be a pain.
Simple. If you burn the first GS to get Physics, you replace that GS and get another tech -> really, a net gain (lack of Physics -> Physics).
That's somewhat insignificant anyway, since the next bulb would surely be biology after physics and I doubt that's something that we'll pick up any time soon so the extra beakers there would be essentially meaningless for a while.
On the topic of GP's though, at this stage of the game focus should be put towards Merchants primarily followed by random GPs to create golden ages with.
If I remember correctly Cannons->Artillery is an incredibly expensive upgrade (I think around 175
each normal speed) and if you plan on doing any upgrades (recommended or else you'll have to transport a new army) you'll need to stock up. Similarly, we're getting into rushbuy time where it could be extremely beneficial to beeline Flight + Radio and rush plenty of Bombers + airports in the New and Old Worlds, allowing you to quickly transport troops and make use of the 8 Bomber capacity in Old World cities. The only arguable alternative to a warmonger would be Electricity -> Tanks and that would require you to fill in with all of the Infantry techs. Besides, going for Flight will net you Combustion which is good for a modern navy and required for tanks anyway.
A strange round. An interesting round. A round that, normally, I would be tempted to "reroll." But it had its victories, and it was really cool, so I'm gonna write it up and run with it. If it ends up losing the game for us, so be it.
Sitting Bull, wearing a finely tailored suit and his finest headdress, began the proceedings by wining and dining his cohorts on the world stage. After all, he had some trades he needed to make:
These trades made Sitting Bull a wealthy man, but he would need wealth in order to achieve his goals. Scientific Method jarred the wise men of Tenochtitlan, shaking their faith in the Way of the Spirit. Religion provided a solid bedrock for the Native American way of life, but eventually it must be set aside, at least by the researchers on the cutting edge.
As the Mexican people returned to work, building Levees to harness the power of their surging rivers, their southern neighbors revolted, wishing to ally themselves with their more orthodox homeland under Pacal II:
Lakamha would struggle with the throes of revolt throughout the round. But its purpose is to insulate Mutal from such dissidence, so, in that respect, it succeeded in its duty.
It was time to commence hostilities with Babylon. The vastness of the Native American army squatted in Vienne, and a few Galleons loaded with quick-striking special forces slipped quietly along the Mediterranean coast. There was one minor snag:
Zara Yaqob's Defensive Pact was hardly a deal-breaker, but it certainly constituted a headache that would need to be taken care of. Zara was a respected member of the world community, and war with him would do indelible harm to international relations. And, besides, I think we all remember the lesson De Gaulle learned about Ethiopian backstabs when you're trying to hold France.
Thankfully, Sitting Bull knew just the loose cannon that could shatter this inconvenient alliance:
Shaka was no fool. He refused to declare war on the military powerhouses to his north. And such a development would only make the Pact more secure, anyway. No, Sitting Bull took advantage of the Ethiopians' greed. They eyed the riches held by the backward Zulu, and they recognized that Shaka was a terrible neighbor to have, anyway. Of course, such a preemptive strike would go squarely against Zara Yaqob's treaty of nonaggression with Hammurabi. The prospect of shiny new Rifles, though, allayed such concerns. The Ethiopians were so overjoyed that they insisted on sharing their knowledge of Divine Right. Sitting Bull was hesitant to accept such a worthless gift, but he could not let Zara's emissary see the avaricious glint in his own eye. He accepted it with aplomb.
With Ethiopia mollified, it was time to inform Babylon that its Favored-Nation status had been demoted to Favored-Target status:
As expected, Hammurabi immediately threw his entire eastern Army against Vienne, made up of troops from a hundred lands and a thousand eras of warfare:
Such an army, had it been intent on simple slaughter, would likely have overrun Sitting Bull's outpost. But Hammurabi was cautious. He wanted to take Vienne with minimal losses. This was his mistake.
After huddling behind the walls and waiting out a bit of bombardment and an exploratory attack, the Native American force exploded from the city, decimating their foes in a wall of concentrated Rifle and Cannon fire:
The shattered remnant limped back east, licking their wounds in the refuge of Tolosa.
With Sitting Bull invading the Old World and taking control of Buddhist cities, it was inevitable that he would become embroiled in Buddhist politics. His first real experience with their forked-tongues ways was, predictably, traumatic:
Sitting Bull, confident in the democratic process of the Apostolic See and not wanting to make any more enemies than he absolutely had to (especially with the relatively kind and generous Hannibal), merely voted "No." Oporto had some difficulties feeding its citizens, and maybe a few human rights violations were going on within city limits, but Sitting Bull felt that his ability to artificially increase the size of the "Artisan Caste" would calm things down and make the city prosperous inside of one hundred years.
Sadly, reports of the Lakamha riots (which Sitting Bull steadfastly insisted were "an internal matter") and, frankly, Native America's outsider status as an alien Theocracy known for conducting wars of annihilation on European soil, swayed votes in favor of Carthage:
Honestly, the city would have been a contentious possession anyway, as rioting broke out just before the official takeover took place. Of more concern was Bibracte, throwing off Hammurabi's yoke to throw in with Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire a turn before Vienne's army marched through its streets. Babylon, with its erstwhile Ethiopian allies watching from the sidelines, was isolated, but with the Holy Roman Empire came the Byzantines. And Sitting Bull was not yet ready to confront Justinian from across the ocean.
By 1520, Native American troops had set up a siege camp outside of Tolosa:
The Spy inside the city found a people unwilling to even consider revolt, and the soldiers outside suffered from constant harrying strikes from the city's Airships.
Brute force prevailed, though, and the victorious troops quickly discovered the sources of their difficulties:
Vienne's cultural pressure was an artifact of Tolosa's Great Artist exhorting his compatriots to expand the city's influence. Sitting Bull's inability to get an edge on Hammurabi's Spies had its roots in Tolosa's numerous Espionage centers. And the resistence of the people themselves emanated from the intimidating presence of Chichen Itza in the urban core. As the military victory dominated headlines, Sitting Bull threw the government into chaos, implementing Ethiopian ideals (obtained in a secret deal in exchange for Railroads) for Peace, Land, and No Overseas Maintenance Costs. The Anarchy was difficult to bear, but the new era of prosperity State Property brought in was largely agreed to be worth it.
Tolosa was a fine prize. But the real riches were in Babylon itself:
The Statue of Liberty would be, for the moment, a minor Wonder, granting a handful of free Specialists drawn to its banner of Freedom. As Sitting Bull's Euurasian holdings grew, though, so would the Statue's influence. And those holdings would, indeed, grow.
The good omens for for the Native Americans increased. Not only was Babylon a treasure, both symbolic and actual, but its forces were completely unprepared for even an exploratory invasion:
A state of siege was established. Sitting Bull's troops could not take the city single-handed, but neither could they be ousted. Islander-forged Cannons stripped away the city's defenses as reinforcements flooded through Gilgamesh's Mediterranean capital, Uruk.
As troops moved east and Galleons gave way to Oil-fueled Transports, Sitting Bull once again reached out to the world. Combustion to Zara Yaqob netted us Physics, and Steel, Physics and Railroad won us Constitution, Military Tradition, and Democracy from Gilgamesh. We also traded Divine Right to Suryavarman for an obscene amount of gold, but that hardly counts as a trade.
Unfortunately, not all diplomatic developments were beneficial:
Wang Kon had been a friend. This betrayal was doubtless a result of Hammurabi's meddling. Sitting Bull forgave Korea, for he understood the concept of life-debt and, seeing the sadness in Wang Kon's eyes as he made the announcement, he knew that the Korean leader suffered under such a bond. The whole episode only increased Sitting Bull's determination to humble the Babylonian tyrant.
By 1565, it was time to make a final push:
Babylon came complete with Statue of Liberty, Kremlin, Academy, Angkor Wat, and Temple of Artemis! Admittedly, the city was completely locked into Babylonian culture, but the nationwide effects of the Wonders alone more than made up for that.
With his capital fallen, Hammurabi made a move to retake Tolosa:
Thankfully, Bibracte's Holy Roman culture (and Charlemagne's refusal to Open Borders) meant that a good part of the Vienne army was dutifully standing around, awaiting transport to the front. Babylon's stack was quickly eliminated.
In 1580, a much more acceptable Apostolic Resolution came across the table:
Wang Kon had apparently had enough of our war, and had found a way to cease hostilities with his dignity intact. Sitting Bull was proud of his friend's cunning, and quickly resumed trade with the rich Korean empire.
By 1585, I figured it was time to bring Pacal up to speed and end the round:
We now have war on two fronts. Here are our forces, holed up in Babylon:
I'm tempted to keep our heads low, because I'm sure that Hammurabi has a vengeance stack on the way. Of course, if you think that's already happened (and failed against Tolosa), we could go out and try to take some more territory.
And Europe:
It's really too bad that Charlemagne isn't unaffiliated. Taking Bibracte and Prague would be huge right now, but I shudder to think of what Justinian might bring to the party. As you can see, Flight is almost ours, and I've got Pacal studying diligently to bring Corporation to our shores.
And, conveniently enough, Coproration is practically our only "missing" tech right now:
I don't really care all that much about Military Science.
Finally, here's a look at the Diplomacy Web:
We're no longer really well-liked. Once I get a Golden Age up, not only am I converting to Emancipation, but I think Free Religion is a bit overdue.
So, that's the round. A lot happened, so I look forward to seeing what you all have to say about it. Sorry for the delays, and thanks for following!
The save:
Sitting Bull, wearing a finely tailored suit and his finest headdress, began the proceedings by wining and dining his cohorts on the world stage. After all, he had some trades he needed to make:
These trades made Sitting Bull a wealthy man, but he would need wealth in order to achieve his goals. Scientific Method jarred the wise men of Tenochtitlan, shaking their faith in the Way of the Spirit. Religion provided a solid bedrock for the Native American way of life, but eventually it must be set aside, at least by the researchers on the cutting edge.
As the Mexican people returned to work, building Levees to harness the power of their surging rivers, their southern neighbors revolted, wishing to ally themselves with their more orthodox homeland under Pacal II:
Lakamha would struggle with the throes of revolt throughout the round. But its purpose is to insulate Mutal from such dissidence, so, in that respect, it succeeded in its duty.
It was time to commence hostilities with Babylon. The vastness of the Native American army squatted in Vienne, and a few Galleons loaded with quick-striking special forces slipped quietly along the Mediterranean coast. There was one minor snag:
Zara Yaqob's Defensive Pact was hardly a deal-breaker, but it certainly constituted a headache that would need to be taken care of. Zara was a respected member of the world community, and war with him would do indelible harm to international relations. And, besides, I think we all remember the lesson De Gaulle learned about Ethiopian backstabs when you're trying to hold France.
Thankfully, Sitting Bull knew just the loose cannon that could shatter this inconvenient alliance:
Shaka was no fool. He refused to declare war on the military powerhouses to his north. And such a development would only make the Pact more secure, anyway. No, Sitting Bull took advantage of the Ethiopians' greed. They eyed the riches held by the backward Zulu, and they recognized that Shaka was a terrible neighbor to have, anyway. Of course, such a preemptive strike would go squarely against Zara Yaqob's treaty of nonaggression with Hammurabi. The prospect of shiny new Rifles, though, allayed such concerns. The Ethiopians were so overjoyed that they insisted on sharing their knowledge of Divine Right. Sitting Bull was hesitant to accept such a worthless gift, but he could not let Zara's emissary see the avaricious glint in his own eye. He accepted it with aplomb.
With Ethiopia mollified, it was time to inform Babylon that its Favored-Nation status had been demoted to Favored-Target status:
As expected, Hammurabi immediately threw his entire eastern Army against Vienne, made up of troops from a hundred lands and a thousand eras of warfare:
Such an army, had it been intent on simple slaughter, would likely have overrun Sitting Bull's outpost. But Hammurabi was cautious. He wanted to take Vienne with minimal losses. This was his mistake.
After huddling behind the walls and waiting out a bit of bombardment and an exploratory attack, the Native American force exploded from the city, decimating their foes in a wall of concentrated Rifle and Cannon fire:
The shattered remnant limped back east, licking their wounds in the refuge of Tolosa.
With Sitting Bull invading the Old World and taking control of Buddhist cities, it was inevitable that he would become embroiled in Buddhist politics. His first real experience with their forked-tongues ways was, predictably, traumatic:
Sitting Bull, confident in the democratic process of the Apostolic See and not wanting to make any more enemies than he absolutely had to (especially with the relatively kind and generous Hannibal), merely voted "No." Oporto had some difficulties feeding its citizens, and maybe a few human rights violations were going on within city limits, but Sitting Bull felt that his ability to artificially increase the size of the "Artisan Caste" would calm things down and make the city prosperous inside of one hundred years.
Sadly, reports of the Lakamha riots (which Sitting Bull steadfastly insisted were "an internal matter") and, frankly, Native America's outsider status as an alien Theocracy known for conducting wars of annihilation on European soil, swayed votes in favor of Carthage:
Honestly, the city would have been a contentious possession anyway, as rioting broke out just before the official takeover took place. Of more concern was Bibracte, throwing off Hammurabi's yoke to throw in with Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire a turn before Vienne's army marched through its streets. Babylon, with its erstwhile Ethiopian allies watching from the sidelines, was isolated, but with the Holy Roman Empire came the Byzantines. And Sitting Bull was not yet ready to confront Justinian from across the ocean.
By 1520, Native American troops had set up a siege camp outside of Tolosa:
The Spy inside the city found a people unwilling to even consider revolt, and the soldiers outside suffered from constant harrying strikes from the city's Airships.
Brute force prevailed, though, and the victorious troops quickly discovered the sources of their difficulties:
Vienne's cultural pressure was an artifact of Tolosa's Great Artist exhorting his compatriots to expand the city's influence. Sitting Bull's inability to get an edge on Hammurabi's Spies had its roots in Tolosa's numerous Espionage centers. And the resistence of the people themselves emanated from the intimidating presence of Chichen Itza in the urban core. As the military victory dominated headlines, Sitting Bull threw the government into chaos, implementing Ethiopian ideals (obtained in a secret deal in exchange for Railroads) for Peace, Land, and No Overseas Maintenance Costs. The Anarchy was difficult to bear, but the new era of prosperity State Property brought in was largely agreed to be worth it.
Tolosa was a fine prize. But the real riches were in Babylon itself:
The Statue of Liberty would be, for the moment, a minor Wonder, granting a handful of free Specialists drawn to its banner of Freedom. As Sitting Bull's Euurasian holdings grew, though, so would the Statue's influence. And those holdings would, indeed, grow.
The good omens for for the Native Americans increased. Not only was Babylon a treasure, both symbolic and actual, but its forces were completely unprepared for even an exploratory invasion:
A state of siege was established. Sitting Bull's troops could not take the city single-handed, but neither could they be ousted. Islander-forged Cannons stripped away the city's defenses as reinforcements flooded through Gilgamesh's Mediterranean capital, Uruk.
As troops moved east and Galleons gave way to Oil-fueled Transports, Sitting Bull once again reached out to the world. Combustion to Zara Yaqob netted us Physics, and Steel, Physics and Railroad won us Constitution, Military Tradition, and Democracy from Gilgamesh. We also traded Divine Right to Suryavarman for an obscene amount of gold, but that hardly counts as a trade.
Unfortunately, not all diplomatic developments were beneficial:
Wang Kon had been a friend. This betrayal was doubtless a result of Hammurabi's meddling. Sitting Bull forgave Korea, for he understood the concept of life-debt and, seeing the sadness in Wang Kon's eyes as he made the announcement, he knew that the Korean leader suffered under such a bond. The whole episode only increased Sitting Bull's determination to humble the Babylonian tyrant.
By 1565, it was time to make a final push:
Babylon came complete with Statue of Liberty, Kremlin, Academy, Angkor Wat, and Temple of Artemis! Admittedly, the city was completely locked into Babylonian culture, but the nationwide effects of the Wonders alone more than made up for that.
With his capital fallen, Hammurabi made a move to retake Tolosa:
Thankfully, Bibracte's Holy Roman culture (and Charlemagne's refusal to Open Borders) meant that a good part of the Vienne army was dutifully standing around, awaiting transport to the front. Babylon's stack was quickly eliminated.
In 1580, a much more acceptable Apostolic Resolution came across the table:
Wang Kon had apparently had enough of our war, and had found a way to cease hostilities with his dignity intact. Sitting Bull was proud of his friend's cunning, and quickly resumed trade with the rich Korean empire.
By 1585, I figured it was time to bring Pacal up to speed and end the round:
We now have war on two fronts. Here are our forces, holed up in Babylon:
I'm tempted to keep our heads low, because I'm sure that Hammurabi has a vengeance stack on the way. Of course, if you think that's already happened (and failed against Tolosa), we could go out and try to take some more territory.
And Europe:
It's really too bad that Charlemagne isn't unaffiliated. Taking Bibracte and Prague would be huge right now, but I shudder to think of what Justinian might bring to the party. As you can see, Flight is almost ours, and I've got Pacal studying diligently to bring Corporation to our shores.
And, conveniently enough, Coproration is practically our only "missing" tech right now:
I don't really care all that much about Military Science.
Finally, here's a look at the Diplomacy Web:
We're no longer really well-liked. Once I get a Golden Age up, not only am I converting to Emancipation, but I think Free Religion is a bit overdue.
So, that's the round. A lot happened, so I look forward to seeing what you all have to say about it. Sorry for the delays, and thanks for following!
The save:
Matthew5117
Emperor
Seeing the Title: $1,000,000,000
Seeing the Post: -$1,000,000,000
Seeing the Save: $1,000,000,000
Realizing that the Save is 3.17 not 3.19: -$1,000,000,000
Life: $0 or.... Priceless
Seeing the Post: -$1,000,000,000
Seeing the Save: $1,000,000,000
Realizing that the Save is 3.17 not 3.19: -$1,000,000,000
Life: $0 or.... Priceless
r_rolo1
King of myself
@Neal
I WARNED YOU
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I WARNED YOU
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Matthew5117
Emperor
Good round. What was so bad?
huerfanista
Emperor
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You thought you could conquer the world and be loved at the same time? 
IAM
Emperor
Overall I think you are in a better position now. Good round!
Kev
Hired Goon
Corporation is not going to be your only "missing" tech - I'm sure that the masses have Econ as well - which would also be nice to get before you change civics if you want Free Market. Though, having merc with the SOL and perhaps staying with representation might still work for a while.
Justinian is a beast with all of his vassals, and I'd be worried that Hammy might join that chorus. If that happened now (or very soon), would you be forced to war with everyone or would peace break out? I can never tell. With Uruk and the rest of the Babylonian cities, Babylon will dwindle quickly and I'm not sure where to go to relieve that pressure.
In general, the diplomatic situation is pretty scary. Hammy, Shaka, Wang and Sury are the only ones not affiliated, and the first two might be joining up with someone soon (though I see Hannibal and Shaka are no longer at war). Plus, you only have one "Pleased" civ in the whole bunch (Pacal notwithstanding). Babylon is starting to look more like an outpost that is going to be in danger for the foreseeable future.. I agree that more agreeable civics are going to have to be installed soon.
Right now - It'd be nice to take another Babylonian city or two if for nothing else the ability to let Babylon at least breathe just a little. Is there even any thought of getting him to vassal to you? The danger would be having your forces thinned out, so it will have to be a priority to shore up defenses there. Flight and airports will help for sure.
Later, I'd look to beeline AL/artillery and just get geared up to take on Justinian's bloc. You'll have to face him down soon, and at least in this way you can look to connect your holdings on the continent.
Justinian is a beast with all of his vassals, and I'd be worried that Hammy might join that chorus. If that happened now (or very soon), would you be forced to war with everyone or would peace break out? I can never tell. With Uruk and the rest of the Babylonian cities, Babylon will dwindle quickly and I'm not sure where to go to relieve that pressure.
In general, the diplomatic situation is pretty scary. Hammy, Shaka, Wang and Sury are the only ones not affiliated, and the first two might be joining up with someone soon (though I see Hannibal and Shaka are no longer at war). Plus, you only have one "Pleased" civ in the whole bunch (Pacal notwithstanding). Babylon is starting to look more like an outpost that is going to be in danger for the foreseeable future.. I agree that more agreeable civics are going to have to be installed soon.
Right now - It'd be nice to take another Babylonian city or two if for nothing else the ability to let Babylon at least breathe just a little. Is there even any thought of getting him to vassal to you? The danger would be having your forces thinned out, so it will have to be a priority to shore up defenses there. Flight and airports will help for sure.
Later, I'd look to beeline AL/artillery and just get geared up to take on Justinian's bloc. You'll have to face him down soon, and at least in this way you can look to connect your holdings on the continent.
StuntedAzrael
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You have too few units but this is your trademark. Build airships for recon duty. With proper recon, no enemy stack will suprise you.
re: "What was so bad"- Well, we lost Oporto and, for all intents and purposes, we lost Lakamha to rioting, as well. As well as Bibracte, though that wasn't strictly our fault. And, of course, our diplomatic relations continued to go south. I guess it's not as bad as I'd thought.
re: Economy- Um, I grabbed Economy in 1240. Even got the free Great Merchant for it
I think I'm in State Property for the long haul now, though. If we're gonna be taking Old World cities, I think the slashed Maintenance beats the extra Trade Route. And the Production bonuses are just icing on the cake.
re: Justinian- Yeah. He's a monster. But Hammurabi is still so high on the score chart that I don't see him bending his knee anytime soon. That said, he's already brought Wang Kon in as a War Ally, so I could see him trying the same stunt with Byzantium...
re: Conversation in General- Things seem... kinda slow on this thread, lately. Am I doing something wrong? Has interest dried up?
re: Economy- Um, I grabbed Economy in 1240. Even got the free Great Merchant for it
I think I'm in State Property for the long haul now, though. If we're gonna be taking Old World cities, I think the slashed Maintenance beats the extra Trade Route. And the Production bonuses are just icing on the cake.re: Justinian- Yeah. He's a monster. But Hammurabi is still so high on the score chart that I don't see him bending his knee anytime soon. That said, he's already brought Wang Kon in as a War Ally, so I could see him trying the same stunt with Byzantium...
re: Conversation in General- Things seem... kinda slow on this thread, lately. Am I doing something wrong? Has interest dried up?
I think the rounds have been a bit slow recently. And earlier on, there's a lot more discussion. At this point, the strategy is basically "build units. Kill someone. Repeat as necessary."
Keep smacking around Hammy until you clear up some of the culture around Babylon. Grab the peninsula and middle east, and make peace pushing him out to India (or vassal him in India). Then next up, either go for the lion and go for Justinian, or take out Hannibal/Gilgamesh/Zara and claim Africa.
As for diplo, once you start invading people, forget about diplo. At this point, the only diplomacy you really need is pointy stick diplomacy.
Keep smacking around Hammy until you clear up some of the culture around Babylon. Grab the peninsula and middle east, and make peace pushing him out to India (or vassal him in India). Then next up, either go for the lion and go for Justinian, or take out Hannibal/Gilgamesh/Zara and claim Africa.
As for diplo, once you start invading people, forget about diplo. At this point, the only diplomacy you really need is pointy stick diplomacy.
shyuhe
Deity
The only thing that can really kill you at this point is a backstab by Justinian before you've had a chance to consolidate your forces. As long as that doesn't happen, you should have an easy romp across the old world with your production base.
Kwibuss
Warlord
I'm a lurker of you threads Neal and my interest cerainly did not dry up. I'm actually most interested in how you will manage to dominate Eur/Asia, but imo I dont have the skill to interfere in the discussion on what to do etc
Please keep on going tho! Looks at the total number of views on your topic.....
Please keep on going tho! Looks at the total number of views on your topic.....
Matthew5117
Emperor
No! No! No! Your doing nothing wrong! This thread has the 3rd most pages in your whole series and its not even over! Besides, look at the views! 33,000!
r_rolo1
King of myself
Ok, you want conversation , Mr Neal ...
Ok, the round went pretty much as I expected: European cities swamped in HRE culture, Oporto rebeling to Carthage, you marching to babylon core and Korea DoWing you ( if I were that good analizing my own games, I would be playing deity with >60% wins
)
Well, i definitely share some concern regarding babylon stacks fate. I can definitely see it being submerged by waves of cavs and siege ( that rail to Kish, where is it BTW ? ). But besides that, you definitely have the prod basis to win this further, barring some heavy ganging against you ( or some unexpected visit of a Korean megastack of doom )
On other issues: I think it is definitely the time of climbing the stair to Industrialism and put some infantry and tanks in the game.... but probably you will want some arties before. getting atleast 3 or 4 airports is crucial for your war effort now ( far faster than shipping them unless you want to play some tiring MM tricks using ship strings across the ocean .... ).
The rest... well, the diplo is pretty much decided here. You have Sury, Hammy + Korea, justinian and co , Hannibal and vassal and the African non aligned. But as you are a American power with a army stranded by the rivers of Babylon ( sorry, couldn't resist the irony ), better take care completely of the babilonian empire before thinking on anything else.
Ok, the round went pretty much as I expected: European cities swamped in HRE culture, Oporto rebeling to Carthage, you marching to babylon core and Korea DoWing you ( if I were that good analizing my own games, I would be playing deity with >60% wins
)Well, i definitely share some concern regarding babylon stacks fate. I can definitely see it being submerged by waves of cavs and siege ( that rail to Kish, where is it BTW ?
). But besides that, you definitely have the prod basis to win this further, barring some heavy ganging against you ( or some unexpected visit of a Korean megastack of doom )On other issues: I think it is definitely the time of climbing the stair to Industrialism and put some infantry and tanks in the game.... but probably you will want some arties before. getting atleast 3 or 4 airports is crucial for your war effort now ( far faster than shipping them unless you want to play some tiring MM tricks using ship strings across the ocean .... ).
The rest... well, the diplo is pretty much decided here. You have Sury, Hammy + Korea, justinian and co , Hannibal and vassal and the African non aligned. But as you are a American power with a army stranded by the rivers of Babylon ( sorry, couldn't resist the irony
), better take care completely of the babilonian empire before thinking on anything else.I'm a lurker of you threads Neal and my interest cerainly did not dry up. I'm actually most interested in how you will manage to dominate Eur/Asia, but imo I dont have the skill to interfere in the discussion on what to do etc
Please keep on going tho! Looks at the total number of views on your topic.....
Ditto. I haven't ventured beyond the Noble level in my own games, so I don't feel that I can add anything of value to the discussion. These games are extremely entertaining and informative!
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