King of the World #13: Asoka

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Dotmap for Babylon and Persepolis:
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I'd definitely go west with my first settler. Babylon is a super culture site: plenty of :hammers: and lots of floodplains for :gold:, plus stone!

Second city blocks Surya east of Delhi. He's very slow out of the gate due to his horrible jungle start. Personally, I'd wait for his first worker to come out and pin him with a warrior or 2 (it's easy with all that jungle), but if you don't want to play that way then just block him with the fish city in east India. Trying to crowd a creative civ won't get you much.

3rd: Persepolis - founded on the coast - will make a great military city and backup wonder farm. There's no rush to settle north of it immediately, since there'll be no early competition for that land.
 
Based on my experience you'll be able to block of the Indian Subcontinent with a Calcutta city but probably not before Suvayarman will have founded a second city somewhere in Laos. Saladin's second city will defiantly be in Mesopotamia so you'll be hard pressed to get further than Persepolis with your third city. But really having the whole of the Iranian plateau and India for yourself is a pretty good core. Then you just backfill and push into Siberia or sail down to Australia.
 
May I please please please note a typo? Defiantly settle in Mesopotamia...

"I don't care what you say, I'm going to settle there!"

Okay. After that rowdy bout of comedy, I must put forward my opinion to settle on the Bessies.
 
In the beginning, the Earth was without form, and void.

Well, those parts of the Earth outside Lord Asoka's limited purview, anyway. The intervalley region was lush, filled with fertile grasslands and edible grains, and teeming with strong Elephants and life-giving Cattle. In order to honor these beasts of burden, Asoka founded Delhi in the midst of their largest herd, which is why, even today, cows can be seen walking the city's streets:

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The most fleet-footed among the people were trained to venture beyond the city's borders to improve the landscape. The provisioning of these hardy foragers sorely taxed the fledgling settlement's meager larders, though, and kept the population from growing. In order to better prepare for the future, the people studied the delicious grains, determining how to best cultivate them as proper crops.

Indian Warriors, meanwhile, pushed into the southern jungles, and returned with valuable treasures from the generous tree-people:

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There was little need for gold in those early days, but Asoka was a wise man, with a constant eye to the future, so it was carefully stored away in the Palace.

The Indian Warriors turned west, mapping the coast and making contact with the mystical Arabian people. Their leader, Saladin, was a Cautious man, suspicious of any and all foreign tribes, but maintaining peaceful relations with the world. In 3400 B.C., Arab soothsayers codified an intricate hierarchy of the heavens:

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This new religion, with its promises of karmic justice and reincarnation, warmed the hearts of converts. Asoka himself found its tenets, as well as its potential diplomatic and cultural benefits, gratifying, but he could not convert to the new faith until it established itself inside his borders.

Nearly a thousand uneventful years passed. Fields were planted with Wheat and Rice, noble Warriors were consumed by wild beasts, and the population of Delhi, training new fighting men and growing fat off the new agricultural bounty, tripled in size. Research went from planting fields to building Roads to learning how to cut back the choking Jungles.

Finally, it was time to establish an empire. The Workers set off, building a massive path westward. A band of unescorted Settlers followed behind them, relying on their agility to keep them safe from hungry animals. As they neared Mesopotamia, they began to hear the worrying sounds of Wolves in the distance. Thankfully, an intrepid band of Chinese martial artists were in the area, and offered to escort the frontiersmen to their destination. The Settlers graciously accepted. After a slow trip through the Forest, the city of Babylon was founded at the head of the Persian Gulf:

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The city began building a Monument to leave an indelible mark that Babylon was Indian, through and through. The Chinese Warriors, their work done, and perhaps a bit unnerved by the jingoistic monolith being built, moved on to continue their inscrutable quest.

The early days of Babylon were harsh. The Settlers were unused to the Desert sun, and they were constantly aware of their disapproving Arabian neighbors. Without any garrison to keep the peace or protect against external threats, the population became restless. Work on the Monument continued, but more and more people turned to outlawry. One such bumbling band even managed to burn down their forest home:

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Asoka was saddened to hear these tidings. With a heavy heart, he doled out a portion of the ancient jungle gold to pay for a replanting effort. That cache, once thought to be superfluous, was rapidly dwindling to pay for Babylon's excesses. But such was the way of the world.

Indeed, more Settlers were sent, though these built their new city closer to home, on the coast in Calcutta:

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And this city, being on the border with the dangerously unpredictable Suryavarman, was sent a fierce garrison of trained Warriors.

Saladin, annoyed at Asoka's attampt to encroach on the Middle East, moved to encircle the settlement of Babylon. Asoka, seeing the danger in this, opted, with a heavy heart, to finish the Monument at any cost:

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In 2150, yet another Settler was trained in Delhi. He stands awaiting orders. The round went, I believe, surprisingly well. We managed to found our second city deep into the Mesopotamian flood plains, which are an invaluable prize. I had to push Calcutta west a space out of respect for Sury's implacable Culture, but that's almost just as well. If we're going Culture, I think we have two of our three already founded (Delhi and Babylon). What should our final Legendary City be? I'm assuming the Settler should found a Persepolis analogue, but where? On the Elephants? On the Wine? On the Desert Hill?

Here's a look at our maps to give you an idea of what we're looking at:

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So that's pretty much that. Iron Working is a full 25 turns off, due to our nest egg finally running out. Was that a huge mistake? I figure that, once we finally get that online, I can go AH-Pottery-Writing to finally pick the Economy up a little bit. I also need to start building a proper military.

Let the debates begin! Here's the save:
 
Nice round Neal. I found out today (playing Earth 1000 AD) Babylon can become a HUGE production city. 600+ :hammers:/turn in 1800 AD. I suppose, though, you will want it to be cottaged for immediate benefit.
 
I don't like Babylon's placement at all. 9 floodplains and no production will really cripple growth. 2N1W would have claimed the stone, 3 plains hills, and 7 FPs. I'd take that as a capital city any time.:crazyeye: Stone would have helped with wonders and cathedrals. You'd also have fewer overlapping tiles with Persepolis in the best spot - on the wines (coastal, still grabs the sheep, iron, jumbos, etc). Calcutta is well-placed. I would have gone for pottery before IW, though - maybe even before BW.
 
Pottery would be useful to get cottages up in Babylon.

For Persepolis, I'd go inland. You can get some coastal cities on the Indian subscontinent, and the spot between Delhi and Persepolis. I'd say build inland, on the desert hill to grab the Oasis, sheep, and all the other resources around there. That's your HE/production city.

As for the 3rd culture city, maybe the blue dot hill city below Delhi and Calcutta? It can grab 6-7 good cottages, or maybe farming it out and using it as a GP farm.
 
2N1NW of Babylon is a good place for the 4th city; great early production, claims the stone and blocks off the land to the east of it. Settling Persepolis next means you risk losing up that location.
 
Nice start. Babylon is fine, just whip out a granery and library.

I think city #4 should be a strong production city and start pumping out military. Let City#5 be your third culture city.
 
I'm worried about your economy. How long is it going to take to finish IW and then research AH, Pottery, and Writing? Do we have any sources of commerce at all, or are we just looking at Palace + riverside tiles?

I'm not sure I would have gone IW so soon. I would even consider abandoning that research to head straight to Pottery, so Babylon can do something useful. Is this Settler who's currently on stand-by going to cause the economy to completely tank if he founds a new city?

I also agree with JammerUno about Babylon, but that's irrelevant now.

Hopefully I am just unnecessarily pessimistic though, and things aren't actually that bad. It's hard for me to tell just from screenshots, you don't get the same "feel" that you do from actually playing.
 
I agree you should head to Pottery first. I think that with some cottages maturing in Babylon you'll reach IW earlier. I like the location of Babylon and I think you should try to grab that spot with stone and copper north of it as soon as you can because it won't be available for long.
 
pre-pottery I would also use the worker(s?) to farm in Babylon rather than making roads to future cities/resources (or is the one in Persia headed back to improve tiles around Delhi?). Even if you swap to pottery the farms will probably stay around a while and help to whip out infra or build workers/settlers.
 
From my experience shadowing - only on noble, so take this with a pinch of salt - I am inclined to agree that beelining IW may be a mistake. REX means you don't need to be working any jungle tiles for a while, and it also means you need some cottages. One NW of Delhi, and all over the flood plains around Babylon, which will eventually be a great city - another Memphis, really.
You're right that you need a military, and that means madscientist is right - get a production city next. I did what UWHabs advises and with Heroic epic and loads of resources its churning them out beautifully. But JammerUno is also right that you're not going to keep Sal away from the stone and copper site unless you get it with your next settler.
OK, enough! As always, thoroughly enjoyable writing, and you're doing great.
 
First of all thanks Neal for these great KotW games and the write-ups are .

I'm only a prince player so I don't take me too seriously but I think that you should build military city next. Like Jammer Uno said 2N1NW would be a nice place and you would risk losing the place if you don't found it next. On the other hand it's risky shot to built the city there and strech your empire so wide this early but if you succeed with it you've nice position here. When it comes to teching I would change to pottery and research IW later.
 
As much as 2N1NW is a good city that needs nabbing, it and Babylon will be ripe for the picking for any civ with a couple of warriors. Linking India with Babylon is essential to safeguard your empire. And a city on or near Persepolis is a more than useful production centre. I would go for it, and hope that Saladin doesn't settle you out of that nice 2N1NW spot. The monument should help with that.
 
As much as 2N1NW is a good city that needs nabbing, it and Babylon will be ripe for the picking for any civ with a couple of warriors. Linking India with Babylon is essential to safeguard your empire. And a city on or near Persepolis is a more than useful production centre. I would go for it, and hope that Saladin doesn't settle you out of that nice 2N1NW spot. The monument should help with that.

Nobody out there is that aggressive in the early game, except the barbs. Once the GW is built, expect them to start arriving. It will be difficult to claim the spot N of Babylon on immortal - both Justinian and Saladin will probably try to settle there very soon. Babylon will be fighting for tiles with Mecca's holy city culture before too long, so Neal will need to get some culture going there soon. It's hard to understand not sending a worker there asap to either chop a monument and/or farm some flooplains for whipping.
 
A worker at least WAS out that way, as there is a road connecting Babylon to Dehli. Currently the worker is wandering around in Persia though... I agree it should go back and farm/cottage the FP's.
 
Nice start, Neal.

I think you suffer from the same problem I do...a nagging desire to develop your cities. At this point, Calcutta's only reason for existence is to block Sury. Let it fester in the jungle for now and ramp up your economy before slogging all the way to IW. Anyways, you only have ONE worker so how many jungles do you think you will be chopping? Let Calcutta work the one coastal tile for the extra commerce, go pottery to start cottaging the FPs in Babylon, and then come back to IW only after hunting and AH. Put a worker at the top of the queue in Dehli (before settler #3) and/or send Calcutta's warrior east to collect one from Sury.

I think I would go with the desert hill site for production city. Learn you some huntin' or AH before you plunk it down.
 
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