Ancient Indian Chariot

Yang Liu

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My BETA version of an ancient indian Chariot. (King Poros)
Now only an working test produced in 5 min - without details, correct chariot textures and also without horses !
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resource pic:
Spoiler :
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For the chariot, we have a two wheeled vehicle, drawn by two horses. We have several representations of chariots, some of the best ones are from sanchi:
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The measures are based on Piggot's estimates of the chariots size, as quoted in Singh (1965).
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The chariot consists of a box, probably of leather or wicker on a wooden frame, to which an axle, extending some distance outside the box on each side, is attached with leather strings, rougly to the middle of the box, although some depictions seem to hint at it being somewhat more to the front of the chariot. The floor in the front of the chariot, where the driver stands, is slightly raised. The wheels are fastened to the end of the axle, possibly with linch-pins, but this remains uncertain. The wheels had at least eight spokes, altough sopme depictions show many more. This could however be a way to implement the chakra symbol into the pictures. The wheels are made of wood, but with a sort of metal tyre. The felloe can have been made of several parts, ore one big piece of wood, which had been bent.

The chariot pole was fastened at the bottom of the box, and went through a hole in the yoke. (On my sketch, it looks like it is fastened higher up, but this is because I wanted to have another perspective on the pole). Sometimes an object called a "three-fold piece" is mentioned, but what it was remains uncertain. I have here followed the most plausible explanation, and interpreted it as a a pair of wooden poles, supporting the main chariot pole, and fastened to a third pole, situated under the chariot, which is parallel to the axle. A small piece of wood is also attched to the back of the chariot, so that it will not tip over when no horses are attached to it.The edges of the chariot box can be decorated with some sort of pattern, similar to the one on my sketch. The sides of the chariot box should either be unpainted, or painted in plain colours, possibly with stars, moons etc. as decorative patterns. Extra quivers are tied to the inside of the chariots. They would most likely be in the back of the chariot, where the can easily be reached by the archer.
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H.Balck :king:
 
The page you've got on the right in the second spoiler looks like it came from a really detailed text. What is it? I'd like to get it for future reference, especially if it cites well-documented sources.

A lot of people (myself included) would second Shirokobbure. I hope the finished unit will include a chattra.
 
Another cool chariot project !!! :) I like how accurate and hard Yang Liu works on units, that`s why I`m sure his animations will be excellent. :)
 
Hi Alex
Thanks ! for the good wishes. I will produce an full Ancient Indian pack (Swordmen, Spearmen, Bowmen, Chariot, Elephant).

H.Balck
Wow! Great news, when can we expect this pack? Your focus on historical detail is amazing, so I am really looking forward to it.
 
Wow! Great news, when can we expect this pack? Your focus on historical detail is amazing, so I am really looking forward to it.
Thanks ! I hope in end of february.

Here is the first preview of an ancient Indian Elephant.
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resource pics:
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H.Balck
 
Epic work, Yang Liu. :goodjob:
Can't wait for these to be finished! :D
 
A few moments thinking about what is likely to happen the rearmost archer once the elephant starts moving leads me to question the accuracy of the whole portrayal. It looks like you're using a single source for your visual inspiration. As a teacher, historian, and archaeologist I'm sure you are aware of the dangers in that.
 
A few moments thinking about what is likely to happen the rearmost archer once the elephant starts moving leads me to question the accuracy of the whole portrayal. It looks like you're using a single source for your visual inspiration. As a teacher, historian, and archaeologist I'm sure you are aware of the dangers in that.
The last men takes his legs in the back strap and have no problems in move. Later - in India the Mahouts sitting on this position ! (The straps an other details comes later !) Also, we have an new scientifically diskussion for little saddles for every Bowmen in this early area.
Blue Monkey - please read Ospreys War Elephants 2008 or War Elephants from John M. Kistler and Richard Lair for this theme for your first entry !

BTW - I use the biggest and best Library in Germany - The Bavarian National collection and also the Special Historian Library on LMU university Munich and on University of Augsburg. I am working with many sources !
Scientifically I concern myself naturally only with the European pre and early history - special the Celts in Latene C/D phase and the germans in Late Jastorf phase. I am not an specialist for indian early sources, art, Epigraphy or Archaeology.

H.Balck
 
I hope there is not another fight in this thread....
I hope also. but Blue Monkey gives his Mustard to all my things.
Me would interest, which vocational it makes, because it up-travels its mouth nevertheless very far.

Anyways, what is the scale of this model?
The scale comes in the same wise like Sandris Models - the warriors are in the same size and the elephant naturally bigger than our old civ III elephant models.

H.Balck
 
I hope there is not another fight in this thread....
Anyways, what is the scale of this model?
There shouldn't be any more of a fight than when someone points out that a Japanese unit is using the wrong sword. ;)
I hope also. but Blue Monkey gives his Mustard to all my things.
Me would interest, which vocational it makes, because it up-travels its mouth nevertheless very far.
I find it peculiar that your English seems to deteriorate the more you seek to attack a person rather than respond to legitimate inquiries. I haven't posted anything derogatory directed to a person. I have in fact complimented where I felt genuine in doing so.

I have simply raised questions about source material and accuracy. This is much the same as happens in many other threads about historic units. And, for that matter, in every academic discipline I've ever heard of. I don't understand the reluctance to support your design choices. I'm certainly eager to fill in any gaps in my knowledge of Indian culture.
 
Doesn't H.Balck use a translation program?
He certainly posted things in the past that were far too idiomatic & betrayed too deep a knowledge of American culture for dependence on a piece of software to be a legitimate excuse.
 
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