Turn Discussion Thread

Lord Parkin · May 9, 2010

Irgy said:
I'd imagined we would just chop *, 6, then 7/8. Afterward that the worker has other things to do like road the gold and improve the gold in the 'C' city.

Agreed.

azzaman333 said:
Poll sez AH when taking into account BLubmuz's changed vote.

Yeah, 10-8 in favour at present.

BLubmuz said:
I do not went to see the game, but i think we have not built the road on gold.
At normal speed this sucks. We need to climb again that hill to road it, and it's 1 worker turn lost.

Well, either way it's a bit late now. But not building the road straight away was actually better in our situation. Otherwise, all subsequent forest chops would be delayed by 2 turns each. This would consequently have delayed several of our builds, as well as the founding of our 2nd city. Spending an extra turn later to get back on the hill is preferable to spending 2 extra turns building everything in the present.

BLubmuz said:
Also, the chopping can probably be better timed after we start the library, to benefit from the 100% bonus.

Either way the number of TURNS saved is the same. And we'll be chopping both during the Library and during the Settler. If we hold on to the chops while we're building the Settler, then the Library will be delayed. The way to get it out fastest is to not delay ANY chops.

BLubmuz said:
If we think to chop outside our territory before math, we're simply wasting forests.

Not quite, but I agree that it's not a good idea to chop forests outside our BFC's before Maths.

AlphaShard · May 9, 2010

Were working on a settler next so we still don't need worry about it yet. We will get to it though.

Lord Parkin · May 9, 2010

AlphaShard said:
Were working on a settler next so we still don't need worry about it yet. We will get to it though.

Are you talking about hooking up the Gold, or chopping the forests? That statement is a bit ambiguous.

I presume you mean hooking up the Gold, in which case, I agree.

AlphaShard · May 9, 2010

You posted the same time as I did I was responding to the need to build roads on the gold. We have time yet to worry about our happy cap later.

azzaman333 · May 9, 2010

Having time later is not efficient.

But I cbf with the worker micro so meh.

AlphaShard · May 9, 2010

azzaman333 said:
Having time later is not efficient.

But I cbf with the worker micro so meh.

Weren't you the one insisting that we whip and chop? Thus nesscessitating us to build the road later? And what does cbf mean?

champinoman · May 10, 2010

AlphaShard said:
Weren't you the one insisting that we whip and chop? Thus nesscessitating us to build the road later? And what does cbf mean?

Can't be F**ked

Its all been done now anyway so there is no need to get into a discussion on whether or not we should have built the road on the hill and delay the chops 2 turns.

azzaman333 · May 10, 2010

AlphaShard said:
Weren't you the one insisting that we whip and chop? Thus nesscessitating us to build the road later? And what does cbf mean?

I never stated much of a preference for chopping. At least, not that I can recall. I just wanted :whip:

Trystero · May 10, 2010

I had the morning off, so I went ahead a played this turn. Someone had already selected AH as the next tech but not ended the turn. As AH has had a slim but consistent lead in the poll and there hasn't been much activity/new analysis, I went ahead and committed us to that path. (As an aside I was prepared to switch my vote to AH in the event of a tie, so I don't think I was being presumptuous by doing so.) Onward:

Turn 28 - 2880 BC

Pottery done. Started researching Animal Husbandry. Worker chop and the Work Boat will be done in 2 turns.

Spoiler :

Edit: I suppose we should also discuss the next build in Sirius. I presume that will be settler for the City C site?

AlphaShard · May 10, 2010

I put some Techs in a que if you check the Tech chart you can see which ones. I believe I have it set to what has been the concensus with everyone. I did it before the current turn had begun. I believe settler will be next since we'll be pop 4 by the time the WB is done. I think the Chop is timed to speed up the Settler as well. So everything seems on schedule to me. Soon we will conquer the world, one step at a time. :devil:

Lord Parkin · May 10, 2010

Yep... techs: Animal Husbandry -> Writing
Builds: Work Boat -> Settler

I would also have switched my vote in the event of a last-minute tie.

pindicator · May 10, 2010

azzaman333 said:
I never stated much of a preference for chopping. At least, not that I can recall. I just wanted :whip:

I think I was the chopping enthusiast. Still am

Although I agree that in principal that Maths would be a benefit to us with all these island forests, the idea of not chopping now and slowing down our settler & library seems a little counter-productive. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. (Where's the smiley for that saying!?)

azzaman333 · May 10, 2010

Do we have plans to road 1E of the capital by the turn the settler is built?

champinoman · May 10, 2010

azzaman333 said:
Do we have plans to road 1E of the capital by the turn the settler is built?

Not currently because that road would delay the chop that finishes the settler by a turn thus eliminating the advantage of the road.

And doing road afterwards means the 3rd chop is in time to finish library faster. <-- need verification.

azzaman333 · May 10, 2010

Didn't we pre-build the road on that tile earlier? Building it would save 1 turn in the movement of the settler.

champinoman · May 10, 2010

azzaman333 said:
Didn't we pre-build the road on that tile earlier? Building it would save 1 turn in the movement of the settler.

Yes, but in the current plan the worker is always finishing a chop -> 1 turn moving onto forest -> starting chop. So even finishing the road in a 1 movement turn will mean the worker doesn't end his turn on a forest to start chopping the next turn resulting in a delay of 1 turn for the planned chops.

Feel free to have a play and see if there is a better result. I'm just voicing my train of thought.

azzaman333 · May 11, 2010

Well we have the turn that the settler is built before we move him to road it as well.

champinoman · May 11, 2010

True. Maybe the forested hill 2W of the capital is the best tile for our 2nd chop? Its the only one in range of 1st chop that is 1 tile from the tile that needs roading.

Irgy · May 11, 2010

So, we would get the settler in place a turn earlier, but may lose a turn on the library. Actually, given that we've gone AH first, the library is delayed by 2 or 3 turns from that, so I can't see why we wouldn't have a spare turn to build the road.

It makes me think though, if people are going to go to the trouble of making detailed micro plans a fair few turns into the future, then we should put them somewhere easy to find. I'm thinking we create a thread with the first post edited to always contain the current best-guess micro plan. It would make it easier to keep track of things like what we're discussing now, but also make it easier for someone playing the turn to check what they're going to do. If someone else thinks it's a good idea, I'm happy to look after editing it.

azzaman333 · May 11, 2010

champinoman said:
True. Maybe the forested hill 2W of the capital is the best tile for our 2nd chop? Its the only one in range of 1st chop that is 1 tile from the tile that needs roading.

I would definitely say so. Then, after the 2nd chop, finish the road 1E of the capital, and chop another of the souther forests.

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