Turn Discussion Thread

I logged in and moved the Settler, who is now one turn from the Canopus site, and the WB (1E and 1 SE, following the coast). Someone had already set Lord Parkin to chop. Voyager revealed nothing unexpected just more desert peninsula:
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The AMAZON WB has moved into the fog, and is no longer visible.

I have not ended the turn, in case we want more time for diplomacy. Also this is the turn we should revolt to Slavery if we aren't going to wait for Monarchy and revolt to HR at the same time. I think we are in agreement that we should wait for HR, and that meeting AMAZON doesn't really change that, but I thought I'd petition any dissenting views.
 
Trystero said:
Any dissent to ending the turn without the revolt to Slavery?
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Irgy said:
So can I confirm we have consensus on the following:
* Tech path: Writing -> Sailing -> Mysticism -> Meditation -> Priesthood -> Monarchy
* No revolt to slavery until we also get hereditary rule
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I wrote that 5 days ago, and basically no-one disagreed. So I think it's fair to say people have had long enough, we might as well get moving.
 
OK - Done!

Turn 36 - 2560 BC

Set the worker (Lord Parkin) to chop the grassland forest 1 SW of Sirius. The settler is 1 turn away from the Canopus site.

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Our exploring Work Boat continued toward Amazonian lands moving 1E + 1SE following the coast and revealing more of the desert peninsula.

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On the next turn:
1. Writing is completed and we switch research to Sailing.
2. The Warrior in Sirius is finished and construction begins on a Library.
3. We drop the research slider to 0% until the Library is complete, to save gold for deficit research.
 
Not much activity, so moving along...

Turn 37 - 2520 BC

Writing finished, started Sailing.
Warrior finished and garrisoned in Sirius, started building a library.
Settler is at Canopus site:
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Voyager continued 2S. Still desert peninsula:
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Demographics:

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Next turn we found Canopus, which works a floodplain tile and starts building a Work Boat.
 
Have we stopped working the gild? Our GNP went from 50 to 38. Didn't know if that was part of the plan or if the Governor ai changed what tiles were working. Or did lowering the slider to zero do that?
 
hell hound is correct. It is from dropping the slider. From this useful article:

In BTS the GNP is not just about the commerce. The GNP also includes the beakers, culture and espionage points produced in each turn. All these are calculated with the effects of improvements taken into account. Therefore the GNP calculation is;
Total commerce + total culture + total espionage + (total research * research bonus) – expenses.
The research bonus is what you get from knowing the prerequisite and other nations you have met who know the tech you are researching, so your GNP can increase by your neighbour discovering the tech you’re currently researching. If you look at the F2 screen it gives you the totals in the left hand column and the expenses in the right column, however the research figure doesn’t take into account the research bonus.
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Edit: You can see it in the screenshot above, but I logged in to confirm that the tiles Sirius is working have not in fact changed. We are still working 2 Fish + 2 Gold mines.
 
I do not contribute much to the discussion, but it's not a loss of interest, is that i see a good planning and a good execution.

Rest assured i'm attentive and i'll intervene when needed.

for now, :goodjob:
 
It looks like we have a new turn to play. Were about to settle our second city.
 
I was letting others have a chance to play a turn, and waiting to see if we had any feedback from Team AMAZON regarding our diplomacy. You're free to play the next turn AlphaShard, but we still have plenty of time on the clock. Maybe wait a while longer and see if Irgy's heard anything back yet?
 
Trystero said:
I was letting others have a chance to play a turn, and waiting to see if we had any feedback from Team AMAZON regarding our diplomacy. You're free to play the next turn AlphaShard, but we still have plenty of time on the clock. Maybe wait a while longer and see if Irgy's heard anything back yet?
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For what it's worth, I've heard nothing back yet. It's been the weekend though, and the amount of content and detail in the message I sent may have caused something of a discussion within AMAZON.

The only thing the diplomacy may change is to make a detour to Alphabet before going after Monarchy (which we will hopefully only do if we can expect to get an equivalent amount of beakers towards Monarchy in trade for it). For the moment we want to research Sailing anyway, as we need it to connect the gold to Sirius, and it might give us trade routes with AMAZON in the near future.

We might want to open borders with them soon, now that we can, but we won't get any benefit from it until we have sailing anyway.
 
One other thing I might do while we wait for Sailing and to see how any possible alliance with Amazon plays out, is revisit the micro planning and look at both our original Monarchy beeline and a switch to Alphabet. The only scenario I really play-tested was trying to build The Oracle, which I think is out at this point.

I think we can grow Sirius to size 6 and then use it to pump out some settlers and workers, but I haven't looked at developing Canopus very much. We can work the 2 Fish tiles and the Gold, but the Flood Plains could adequately substitute for one (or both) of the Fish tiles. I'm inclined to cottage the FP and work those. I also think we should road some of the Gold tiles, and use the excess as trade bait.

We should start discussing how we are going to develop the home island while we explore the mainland/Andromeda.
 
We should also consider the reasonable possibility that AMAZON have a non-gold happiness resource that they are willing to trade for our spare gold. If we have an extra happiness, then we can work a cottage in Sirius in addition to the planned two scientists, two fish and two gold. It will take us a while to grow into it though with no granary yet and no surplus food until we have a lighthouse (while we're working the scientists anyway). I expect Sirius isn't building too much while we work those scientists, so lets look forward to Canopus growing into a production powerhouse.
 
Your point regarding trading gold for other happiness resources was precisely what I was getting at. That would be an ideal set of circumstances.

I gave a quick look a Canopus in my test save, and a couple of things occur to me. I set a Work Boat as the first build (primarily to allow growth) followed by a Worker. However, perhaps it's better to build a Granary first (or a Lighthouse?), since I worked the Gold mine and Flood Plain (rather than the Fish) when Canopus reached size 2.

Also, since I was working the FP early, I thought it might be best to cottage the FP being worked to maximize it's yield. The worker could chop at Canopus after the Gold mine, but since all 3 non-gold hills are forested, we get mine-like yields early on, without mining them (and saving the forests for later chops), so maybe it's better to focus worker efforts elsewhere.

Again these are just initial impressions. I'd appreciate other's insights.
 
After Canopus is settled are the remaing city tags worth making number 3 and 4 city? Or could those spots wait for lAter. I also agree about hooking up our gold for trade we are going to need to do the 1.5 rule for workers. Are we building another Exploratory Wb after the library? If we have writing now can we activate the own borders with Amazon?
 
Trystero said:
Your point regarding trading gold for other happiness resources was precisely what I was getting at. That would be an ideal set of circumstances.

I gave a quick look a Canopus in my test save, and a couple of things occur to me. I set a Work Boat as the first build (primarily to allow growth) followed by a Worker. However, perhaps it's better to build a Granary first (or a Lighthouse?), since I worked the Gold mine and Flood Plain (rather than the Fish) when Canopus reached size 2.

Also, since I was working the FP early, I thought it might be best to cottage the FP being worked to maximize it's yield. The worker could chop at Canopus after the Gold mine, but since all 3 non-gold hills are forested, we get mine-like yields early on, without mining them (and saving the forests for later chops), so maybe it's better to focus worker efforts elsewhere.

Again these are just initial impressions. I'd appreciate other's insights.
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The current plan written up has Canopus working the silk for a few turns to get the workboat out sooner. Working floodplains and gold seems terrible, it's only 1 surplus food, it will take forever to grow. Fish and gold is three times the growth rate. My inclination would be to build two workboats, and work fish before gold, gold before floodplains, and floodplains before mines.

Chopping might help speed up a workboat or a granary, which will help us work more tiles sooner. Otherwise I'd want to just cottage the floodplains. Being financial, cottaged floodplains are a good deal.

The difference between 3 hammers from a plains forest hill and 4 hammers from a mine is significant, if we're working a hill I'd want to put a mine on it as soon as possible. But I wouldn't work a hill before I'd work two fish, gold and two cottaged floodplains.
 
Canopus founded! Slowly building a workboat while working floodplains to grow to size 2 first.

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Workboat explores, gets to the end of the desert peninsula, but finds nothing of significant interest. Although more of the land is revealed now.

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Demographics:
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The site for city F has too much sea.
Moving it 1E means 2 desert tiles, but it's coastal with probably 3 FPs.

better see if there's some resource or hill and in case move somewhere S.

Why not offer OB to Amazon? we can always cancel after 10 turns.
 
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