AlphaShard
Emperor
I don't any reason that we can't have one of the Horse spots and Amazon the other. Thanks for the screen cap Trystero! You'll be the third worker I name, *heh* We could settle Arcturus right where the Warrior current is.
Turn Discussion Thread
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It is probably a good idea to check out the SW spoke. If our galley can reach it before it needs to return for our settler, it would be great to drop our warrior there and take a look around. It will be slower to send a settler there because we don't have a connection across the ocean on our western side, but I don't imagine it would be worth building a city on the sw corner to create that cultural connection.
These are a couple of things that I've been thinking about. Should I crosspost this as it involves several stuff?
First, Andromeda and The Nexus(Like it?
):
Amazon already mentioned that they're going for the horses. That's fine, so do we. But will they accept to take the banana resource in exchanged for the stone? They did discovered it first. Picture this:
Phase one : We settle where our warrior is(or in the SW tile) so they settle right on their horses for them to get the bananas. The thing is how both we are going to control the cities culture (considering the traits and whatnot) in a way for their border to get the bananas and not go beyond from there.
Phase two : We settle the other Andromeda city right on the stone to get the northern flooded terrain, clams, stone and other possible resource that might be revealed in the desert(Also, are we also interested in the cape? And a better question; are they?) region while they settle in Andromeda south. we still don't know what's under there but as we're already heading that way, we'll find out soon enough, altho Amazon mentions Q's observation on the lack of fertility of The Nexus.
Phase two(alternative): We settle to the arm south of us, either in the similar location as Andromeda's horses (on what I suspect we will find other resource, with a similar one for Q on their side) or in The Nexu's shores.
Mind that taking control of the channel to our ocean is imperative and both capes also need to be considered. The Nexus doesn't seem too wide taking into account the width of the star arms. A high culture developed city might take control of it.
Second, Continuum and CDZ:
Amazon seem too eaguer to accept both (specially Q) into the ETTT (Why are they now calling it ETTA?) and even into ASP. Or they are trying too hard and don't realize it or they are communicating more rapidly(cimenting their friendship faster) or there's a plot on the loose.
Am I reading too much into this?...Probably. But we're just started the game and our relations are still too green to treat each other as long time friends(altho some players are, but that's besides the point).
Am I for it? Yes, but with baby steps, what might deteriorate things. Catch 22.
Other stuff:
What information can we keep for ourselfs without it cameback later on and bitting us? To a certain extent internal affairs will be needed to be revealed just to not build pressure in the treaty and the pact when some member asks the reason for a certain buildup (not just military related stuff).
Might be wise(and cool, too
) to start naming other star arms for reference and simplicity sake. Probably using the Civs initials, clockwise. Andromeda would be "SA arm", for example
I think that's it.
First, Andromeda and The Nexus(Like it?
):Amazon already mentioned that they're going for the horses. That's fine, so do we. But will they accept to take the banana resource in exchanged for the stone? They did discovered it first. Picture this:
Phase one : We settle where our warrior is(or in the SW tile) so they settle right on their horses for them to get the bananas. The thing is how both we are going to control the cities culture (considering the traits and whatnot) in a way for their border to get the bananas and not go beyond from there.
Phase two : We settle the other Andromeda city right on the stone to get the northern flooded terrain, clams, stone and other possible resource that might be revealed in the desert(Also, are we also interested in the cape? And a better question; are they?) region while they settle in Andromeda south. we still don't know what's under there but as we're already heading that way, we'll find out soon enough, altho Amazon mentions Q's observation on the lack of fertility of The Nexus.
Phase two(alternative): We settle to the arm south of us, either in the similar location as Andromeda's horses (on what I suspect we will find other resource, with a similar one for Q on their side) or in The Nexu's shores.
Mind that taking control of the channel to our ocean is imperative and both capes also need to be considered. The Nexus doesn't seem too wide taking into account the width of the star arms. A high culture developed city might take control of it.
Second, Continuum and CDZ:
Amazon seem too eaguer to accept both (specially Q) into the ETTT (Why are they now calling it ETTA?) and even into ASP. Or they are trying too hard and don't realize it or they are communicating more rapidly(cimenting their friendship faster) or there's a plot on the loose.
Am I reading too much into this?...Probably. But we're just started the game and our relations are still too green to treat each other as long time friends(altho some players are, but that's besides the point).
Am I for it? Yes, but with baby steps, what might deteriorate things. Catch 22.
Other stuff:
What information can we keep for ourselfs without it cameback later on and bitting us? To a certain extent internal affairs will be needed to be revealed just to not build pressure in the treaty and the pact when some member asks the reason for a certain buildup (not just military related stuff).
Might be wise(and cool, too
) to start naming other star arms for reference and simplicity sake. Probably using the Civs initials, clockwise. Andromeda would be "SA arm", for exampleI think that's it.
Trystero
Deity
CivStats is back online.
The warrior on Andromeda moved to the horse hill, and the galley has moved 1S. We can move 1SW and unload the 2nd exploring warrior on the southern island. Any objections?
Also I offered AMAZON Alphabet. They also did not have Pottery, so I offered them that as well, even though this was not explicitly discussed, as it seems in keeping with the ETTT.
The warrior on Andromeda moved to the horse hill, and the galley has moved 1S. We can move 1SW and unload the 2nd exploring warrior on the southern island. Any objections?
Spoiler :
Also I offered AMAZON Alphabet. They also did not have Pottery, so I offered them that as well, even though this was not explicitly discussed, as it seems in keeping with the ETTT.
I might keep the warrior aboard a little longer. I think the most valuable information right now willl be, what are our neighbors to the south and west doing with the arm between us. Therefore I think it will be better to drop the warrior closer to them, to see if they have an exploring, or settling party on the arm. I could see an argument for checking if resources exist on the part of the arm nearest to us though.
Trystero
Deity
These are a couple of things that I've been thinking about. Should I crosspost this as it involves several stuff?
First, Andromeda and The Nexus(Like it?
Amazon already mentioned that they're going for the horses. That's fine, so do we. But will they accept to take the banana resource in exchanged for the stone? They did discovered it first. Picture this:
Phase one : We settle where our warrior is(or in the SW tile) so they settle right on their horses for them to get the bananas. The thing is how both we are going to control the cities culture (considering the traits and whatnot) in a way for their border to get the bananas and not go beyond from there.
Phase two : We settle the other Andromeda city right on the stone to get the northern flooded terrain, clams, stone and other possible resource that might be revealed in the desert(Also, are we also interested in the cape? And a better question; are they?) region while they settle in Andromeda south. we still don't know what's under there but as we're already heading that way, we'll find out soon enough, altho Amazon mentions Q's observation on the lack of fertility of The Nexus.
Phase two(alternative): We settle to the arm south of us, either in the similar location as Andromeda's horses (on what I suspect we will find other resource, with a similar one for Q on their side) or in The Nexu's shores.
The alternative plan is the better option. We already have an agreement with AMAZON to negotiate settling the island between us. We don't have any such agreement with the team on the other side of the island to the south. Thus it would make more sense to settle aggressively on that island.
Controlling the waterways is a good idea, but I think our primary concern at the moment is locating and controlling resources. Given the symmetric nature of their allocation and the map, we can probably guess where they will be on the southern island.
Second, Continuum and CDZ:
Amazon seem too eaguer to accept both (specially Q) into the ETTT (Why are they now calling it ETTA?) and even into ASP. Or they are trying too hard and don't realize it or they are communicating more rapidly(cimenting their friendship faster) or there's a plot on the loose.
Am I reading too much into this?...Probably. But we're just started the game and our relations are still too green to treat each other as long time friends(altho some players are, but that's besides the point).
Am I for it? Yes, but with baby steps, what might deteriorate things. Catch 22.
We are only discussing membership into the trade alliance, I believe. As others have mentioned, the more good trading partners we have, the better. The ASP is a treaty only between the AMAZON and ourselves.
Trystero
Deity
Well, one set of strategic resources on Andromeda are on the 4th row of tiles from the bottom. If we move the galley 1 SW, and unload the warrior to the SW, we will be at a similar location on that island.
That's a good idea, I'd imagine they would be symetrical. I guess it is worth taking a peek there because it's a reasonable bet that we'd find something useful. In fact we could unload the warrior to check for a symetrical resource, and then load him back onto the galley next turn for fast transport, if we wanted to take him in further. The galley is free for 3 or 4 more turns, before it needs to return home.
Another option is:
Move the galley 1S, unload the warrior to the SW onto the forest, then explore the inner channels with the galley (turning it around when we need to of course).
I like the idea of exploring to where we expect a strategic resource to be, but it sounds like we could just walk the warrior there from wherever it is. I'm not that fussed though.
Move the galley 1S, unload the warrior to the SW onto the forest, then explore the inner channels with the galley (turning it around when we need to of course).
I like the idea of exploring to where we expect a strategic resource to be, but it sounds like we could just walk the warrior there from wherever it is. I'm not that fussed though.
Trystero
Deity
Exploring (a little of) the interior with the galley might be a good idea. I was initially considering the possibility of evacuating the warrior back to galley if we wanted to move him back to Andromeda before the galley had to return. But I suppose we should commit to exploration of the southern island.
Why has the galley been moved 1SE of all things? Even aside from the fact that we hadn't really decided yet, that was not any of the options we were talking about. If we want to explore the inlet we should have dropped the warrior off as far W as possible, which would have meant moving 1S not 1SE.
Trystero
Deity
The point of making half the move and posting the screen shot for discussion was for... discussion.
Ah well, might as well unload the warrior to the SW at this point. Please don't end the turn until I can take screen shots for the Turn Tracker thread.
Edit: On second thought, do we want to take the warrior further south along the SE coast of the S island via the galley?
Ah well, might as well unload the warrior to the SW at this point. Please don't end the turn until I can take screen shots for the Turn Tracker thread.
Edit: On second thought, do we want to take the warrior further south along the SE coast of the S island via the galley?
Trystero
Deity
OK, here's the updated situation:
There is a hill in the fog 2 SW of the galley. I suggest we unload the warrior 1 SW and then move him onto the hill next turn. The galley can move three more turns before it has to turn back for Sirius. I suggest it continues to follow the channel to the SW. In the worst case, the warrior can re-board the galley as it comes back north.
Spoiler :
There is a hill in the fog 2 SW of the galley. I suggest we unload the warrior 1 SW and then move him onto the hill next turn. The galley can move three more turns before it has to turn back for Sirius. I suggest it continues to follow the channel to the SW. In the worst case, the warrior can re-board the galley as it comes back north.
I agree with this plan.
Could someone please look in their my games directories to see if the game is keeping the saves that get downloaded when you login to the game? I have made an observation based on the save files but don't want to discuss it unless it's visible to everyone -- and being the host I don't know if the files I can see are host only or show up on both computers.
Trystero
Deity
In my saves > multi directory I have save games entitled "Recovery_Trystero" and "AutoSave_BC-2080" but if I launch them they require Admin passwords.
I unloaded the warrior to the SW and finished the turn:
Turn 52 - 1920 BC
The galley moved 1S + 1SE. The warrior on Andromeda moved 1SW onto the Horse hill. The second warrior unloaded 1SW onto the south island:
Spoiler :
Voyager continued to follow the coast 2SW:
Spoiler :
The warrior on Sirius moved to the coast 1NE:
Spoiler :
We traded Pottery and Alphabet to Team AMAZON for Polytheism.
Demographics:
Spoiler :
Cool, that means the information is open to all who pay attention. I didn't expect you to be able to launch them, just to be able to see them.
Comparing the size of this file to main and team warmup games, it seems we're on a pretty small world.
Trystero
Deity
I have been suspecting the same. The map I have been using for my test game is getting a little cramped, since I put our island near the south of the map. Because this somewhat constrains my ability to reconstruct the map in the test game as we discover it, I started a new custom game using the game settings and opponents, and I am rebuilding the map from scratch. I have included all the tiles we have revealed, can guess, or learned from AMAZON. I've attached the save if anyone is interested (note that I set everything back to the conditions at 4000 BC in this save. I will attempt to replay our moves later), but here is the map so far (that 3x3 square is obviously an inaccurate representation of the AMAZON island
):Spoiler :
A couple of thing I've surmised doing this: As Dave noted, if the map is as symmetrical as it seems, there doesn't appear to be a lot of land area. Also, Andromeda appears to extend farther to the south than the AMAZONS realize.
What this suggests to me is that land area is going to be limiting, and if we are going to be competing for resources on the southern island, we should make getting settlers
out a priority.
