Turn Discussion Thread

I think 1 N is the right first move as well, and I agree with Trystero that moving to the other forest NW is a good idea as it will reveal a little bit more of the map while we're waiting for the settler. Either forest will provide a strong defensive bonus, so we may as well reveal the extra land.

As for Vesta, I think we can move her SW next turn, even if we need help defending the new city site a move SW will not delay her arrival. I would imagine that Pallas would be sufficient for securing the city site so unless something comes up, I'd keep Vesta exploring after the first SW move.

My thinking is the same as Grant's regarding Vesta. Pallas should be safe enough on the forested tiles around the Arcturus site.

I also forgot to mention that I noticed on the diplomacy/tech screen that Quatronia had received Iron Working from CDZ (hence their jump in score). They should provide it to us next turn, but we should really confirm CDZ are in the ETTT with Amazon, and start coordinating technology research. It seems to me that CDZ would be most inclined to go Compass next which would unlock their UB, and would help us get to Astronomy.

There wasn't anyone voicing opposition to moving Pallas 1N to the forested tile, so I did so and ended the turn:

Turn 58 - 1680 BC

Pallas moved 1N to the forested tile near the Arcturus site. Vesta disembarked intoo the jungle 1SW of Enterprise's position, and Enterprise moved 1NW + 1N, continuing back to Sirius:



Voyager moved 2S. Note what looks like barbarian cultural borders on the SE star arm:



Our opponent's tech situations:


===============================================================

The next turn started shortly after I ended our turn. I logged in and there is a barb warrior on the hill 2SW of Enterprise's position in the screenshot above.

There really doesn't seem to be too much to debate at this point, and we don't have too much to do except explore until Arcturus is founded. I am inclined to move Pallas 1NW to the other forested tile, and Vesta 1SW as we discussed and just end the current turn (after moving our ships, of course ). Any disagreement with moving things along?

Those both sound like reasonable moves to me.

Looks good to me too.

Should we support Amazon's request to reload to beginning of turn, to fix a misclick?

I'm inclined to say yes, not just because they are our allies.

If it's OK with you, I don't have a problem with it.

I feel like in general we shouldn't allow reloads for mistakes, but in this case it's right at the start of the turn, and according to DaveMCW nothing was revealed through their mistake, so I guess it's fine.

Actually, I do have a somewhat relevant question: Are we playing with random seed on reload? Will the RNG moves be exactly the same? I am asking because I would like the barb near Vesta to move to the same place.

What we'd like out of the random seed isn't really the right reason to make the decision to be honest. As soon as we even consider that, then we're not making an unbiased decision on whether we think a reload for this sort of thing is acceptable, we step into the territory of abusing the reload (or in this case the lack of reload) to our advantage. The same goes for the fact that they're our allies too really.

Ethically, the decision should be based only on what we think is best for the game from an outside perspective, and whether we'd expect the same favour in the reverse situation.

I'm inclined against it in principle, but in practise I think this is a good case for making an exception, so I'd vote yes to the reload.

Where the barb moves wouldn't affect my decision on the reload. I was only asking because I was curious if the the reload would affect where the barb moved, not whether that would benefit us (although I am hoping the barb ends up in the same place).

I agree that mistakes are part of the game, but I can see how misplacing a city would have major and long term consequences, and I would rather someone not play the game with such a handicap.

Well if were wanting to move Pallas 1nw were going to need to reload because I somehow clicked him toward the Barbarian when I was trying to select the Galley. So I fubard.

If you can't be careful when taking the turn, don't take it. It's something easily avoidable.

Okay Mr Perfect.

Look, it's something that is completely within our power to avoid, and very easily avoidable. If you can't take care while taking the turn, don't.

Alphashard, you've done many of our turns to perfection, don't worry about something as trivial as a slip up on warrior movement. With your contributions to the team you deserve a few free passes on such things, and a lot more respect than you've been shown so far.

I have a feeling that a reload will likely happen for the Amazon mistake so it will probably come to nothing anyway. You may have just been checking something when the mistake happened, but it would probably be best to avoid playing the turn while a reload is being debated, we don't want to give ourselves any additional information while a reset is possible.

I think we should vote for the reload purely for a diplomatic move.

Weird, I thought it was paused anyway to allow the team vote on the reload. I wonder who unpaused it?

grant2004 said:

Alphashard, you've done many of our turns to perfection, don't worry about something as trivial as a slip up on warrior movement. With your contributions to the team you deserve a few free passes on such things, and a lot more respect than you've been shown so far.

Click to expand...

This has nothing to do with Alphashard. It's a general comment to anyone who is playing the turn. If you can't be careful to avoid misclicks, don't take the turn. It's a very simple thing to avoid.

AlphaShard: Don't sweat it. These things happen, and Dave hadn't reloaded the save yet. (Although, I don't understand why the game wasn't paused.) I checked the game after the reload. Everything was as before, and there wasn't much to do, so I went ahead and played the turn.

Turn 59 - 1640 BC

Lord Parkin started the road on the silk tile. The WB continued toward the Arcturus clams site, and Enterprise continued back to Sirius.

Pallas moved 1NW to the other forest tile and didn't reveal too much of interest. Vesta continued SW. There is a barb warrior to her SE:



Voyager went 2SW and spotted the cultural border of a barb city:


========================================================

I would vote for Pallas to move to the hill 1SW to reveal more of the area around Arcturus on the next turn. Any attack would have to come across the river, and she'd be on a hill.

Vesta will probably be attacked by the barb, but should have OK chances on a jungle tile. If the barb instead moves N or W, I would move onto the jungle hill 1W (Recall the other barb is on the hill 2E of the copper.

Not too much changed demographics-wise, although I did notice that AMAZON has 3 cities at this point before founding the city that caused the mis-click problems.