Turn Discussion Thread

grant2004 said:
Maybe I'm wrong about the location of resources, but didn't the Amazons report copper on their other spoke as well? If so I'd expect that the northern and southern spokes don't have copper but the other 4 do. In which case it's possible that the Mavericks have a copper city on Comet.
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I had the impression it was a pattern like:
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c.c
h.h
.c

What you're describing seems to be:
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c.c
c.c
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That seems asymmetric, in that the middle teams ('middle' in a north-south sense) get two coppers rather than a copper and a horse. My impression was that the mapmaker was going for rotational symmetry as much as possible, rather than the kind of reflectional symmetry of what you describe.


grant2004 said:
Also wouldn't it be better if Vega moved 1S to spawn bust? It will cover more land tiles than the current location and would allow it to return to Arcturus just as quickly if it needed to. The downside is that the tile 4E of Arcturus would not be spawn busted, but that's small compared to the number of additional tiles we'd bust in the south if we moved.
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"Vesta" you mean not "Vega".

I think I agree with this actually. He'll get some visibility across the lake as well, which seems like a good thing to me. We might even spot "copper city".
 
The next turn is up, so the planned actions from the micro proposal and current discussions are:

1. Leave Pallas where she is to spawnbust the stone/pigs/clam site.
2. Move Vesta 1S to better spawnbust.
3. Settle Alpha Centauri at the now chopped "b" site. It will build a work boat for the fish tile while working the iron hill (and be stagnant until the fish are improved).
4. Move hell hound (who was chopping at site b) to the iron hill to help mine and road it.

Some longer term plans:
*Move the location of Vega (the next city) from the pigs/clam/clam site to the stone/pigs/clam site.
*Arcturus will finish an Archer in 3 turns, after that it will build an Axeman. After that we might consider whipping a granary or building a worker.
*On turn 76, we will have another worker finished in Canopus. My proposal was to next start a granary, which we will whip on turn 79 for 2 pop. That worker will be sent to Alpha Centauri to chop.
*The next settler (for Vega) will be done in Sirius on turn 77.

BLubmuz said:
I noticed we used the Confu Missionary for Sirius.
I forget to suggest to wait some turn to see it auto-spread, as often happens, mainly when the cities are so close. Hammers wasted, i think :(
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Yeah, that would have probably been a better move.
 
Trystero said:
The next turn is up, so the planned actions from the micro proposal and current discussions are:

1. Leave Pallas where she is to spawnbust the stone/pigs/clam site.
2. Move Vesta 1S to better spawnbust.
3. Settle Alpha Centauri at the now chopped "b" site. It will build a work boat for the fish tile while working the iron hill (and be stagnant until the fish are improved).
4. Move hell hound (who was chopping at site b) to the iron hill to help mine and road it.

Some longer term plans:
*Move the location of Vega (the next city) from the pigs/clam/clam site to the stone/pigs/clam site.
*Arcturus will finish an Archer in 3 turns, after that it will build an Axeman. After that we might consider whipping a granary or building a worker.
*On turn 76, we will have another worker finished in Canopus. My proposal was to next start a granary, which we will whip on turn 79 for 2 pop. That worker will be sent to Alpha Centauri to chop.
*The next settler (for Vega) will be done in Sirius on turn 77.



Yeah, that would have probably been a better move.
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^ I agree with everything in this post.

Hopefully tomorrow I'll actually have a chance to check over the micro for the next few turns, and update the micro plan as a result.
 
One other thing I failed to mention. We can actually whip the settler for Vega in Sirius now, for 3 pop (maybe overflow hammers to granary?). I haven't play tested this, but if we want to get the settler over there ASAP, that is an option.
 
I'd be inclined not to whip in Sirius at all. We want to work 2 gold tiles all the time, which limits the growth rate significantly, and we want the population as high as possible for the most benefit from Beaurocracy.

Also, we will get more from whipping if we build a granary first, and if we wait until beaurocracy. Whipping a granary as soon as beaurocracy comes in might be a better option.

However, having said all that, it may be worth comparing whipping + regrowing to just building anyway and seeing where it ends up. If you've got time.
 
Well if it means getting a city up sooner I say go for it. If we are at three pop we can still work two gold and one fish.
 
AlphaShard said:
Well if it means getting a city up sooner I say go for it. If we are at three pop we can still work two gold and one fish.
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The downsides could include:
* Lost production in Sirius.
* Lost commerce in Sirius, resulting in a significant delay to Civil Service, in turn resulting in yet more lost commerce and production in Sirius.
* Not a lot gained from the new city in return if it doesn't have a workboat for the clams nor a worker ready to improve the land tiles.

I don't know how big these factors are, but it could work out to be a very bad idea.
 
I wasn't saying it was a good idea, nor was I implying that this would be the best time to do so. I was just pointing out that the option was available. The only real benefit to doing so now would be to get a settler to the stone site 5 turns sooner.

I will have to run it through the test game to see it's impact.

Edit: It would delay CS by 3 turns at best (if we worked 2 fish + 1 gold mine), and take 6 turns to grow Sirius back to 4 pop. I don't think it's worth the delay to CS and Bureaucracy.

Edit2: looking at the micro in some detail, it is definitely better not to whip in Sirius.
 
Turn 72 - 1120 BC

Alpha Centauri was founded at the silk site. It is building a work boat and working the iron hill. hell hound moved to the iron hill and will mine next turn. Enterprise is now waiting 1SE of Sirius.

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Pallas is now spawnbusting the new Vega site (stone/pigs/clam), and Vesta moved 1S to better spawnbust the pigs/clam/clam site.

Spoiler :
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Voyager continued south and spotted more CDZ and some Quatronia culture.

Spoiler :
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Demographics:

Spoiler :
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@Irgy: So were not going to whip at all in Sirius as it is our Science/Commerce center.

Will we be whipping in other cities then? I mean if we switched to Slavery we might as well be using the whip. Otherwise we should have done Caste System.
 
You don't whip away population that can work good tiles.

Canopus is a better candidate to whip in because it has the two fish and the gold is better off in Alpha Centauri
 
AlphaShard said:
Will we be whipping in other cities then? I mean if we switched to Slavery we might as well be using the whip. Otherwise we should have done Caste System.
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My current micro proposal calls for whipping a granary in Canopus to facilitate even more whipping.
 
A Barb city has shown up in Andromeda.

Just wanted to get a consensus on what to do with Vesta who is SE of Arcturus, which is building an Archer in 3 turns (can whip if needed, as in if a Barb shows up).

We also finished the Iron so we can work it this turn to get the WB out in 4 turns as opposed to 14. What do you guys think?
 

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It's in the plan, we just switched away for one turn because the iron mine wasn't finished and the silk was good enough not to delay the workboats for the turn the mine wasn't ready. Definately switch back.

The barb city looks like good news actually, it's where we wanted to settle anyway, so it might save us a settler :)
 
What is "I" "H" in The picture of the barb town., "I" is the position of Barb. 3 Turns for archer is enough, a barb needs 4 turns from FoW.
azza
AC works at the iron.
 
Actually from what I read of the Micro thread it seemed Iron Mine was expected to be finished next turn. You know when I take initiative I get talked down to, when I ask questions I get talked down to. IS there any wining with you? I mean maybe someone wants to argue to work the FP and grow the city, I'm making sure everyone gets their opinion in. Please leave snips and barbs for another thread Azzaman.

The I and H were city proposal spots, I can take them off since conquering Barb city looks like a good idea as Irgy was suggesting.

Also leaving Vesta to Spawnbust where she is?
 
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