True cristhianity

Well I think I broke down what a true christian ( person/organization) is, or how it should be.

What I mean its the characteristics that define true christhianity.

Well ready? here they come ( backed up with the bible Im not making this up ok?)



1. Jesus started one true Christian religion. So today there must be just one body, or group, of true worshipers of Jehovah God. (John 4:23, 24; Ephesians 4:4, 5) The Bible teaches that only a few people are on the narrow road to life.—Matthew 7:13, 14.

2. The Bible foretold that after the death of the apostles, wrong teachings and unchristian practices would slowly come into the Christian congregation. Men would draw away believers to follow them instead of Christ. (Matthew 7:15, 21-23; Acts 20:29, 30) That is why we see so many different religions that claim to be Christian. How can we identify true Christians?

3. The most outstanding mark of true Christians is that they have real love among themselves. (John 13:34, 35) They are not taught to think that they are better than people of other races or skin color. Neither are they taught to hate people from other countries. (Acts 10:34, 35) So they do not share in wars. True Christians treat one another as brothers and sisters.—1 John 4:20, 21.

4. Another mark of true religion is that its members have a deep respect for the Bible. They accept it as the Word of God and believe what it says. (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17) They treat God's Word as being more important than human ideas or customs. (Matthew 15:1-3, 7-9) They try to live by the Bible in their everyday life. So they do not preach one thing and then practice another.—Titus 1:15, 16.


5. The true religion must also honor God's name. (Matthew 6:9) Jesus made God's name, Jehovah, known to others. True Christians must do the same. (John 17:6, 26; Romans 10:13, 14) Who are the people in your community that tell others about God's name?

6. True Christians must preach about God's Kingdom. Jesus did so. He always talked about the Kingdom. (Luke 8:1) He commanded his disciples to preach this same message in all the earth. (Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20) True Christians believe that only God's Kingdom will bring true peace and security to this earth.—Psalm 146:3-5.

7. Jesus' disciples must be no part of this wicked world. (John 17:16) They do not get involved in the world's political affairs and social controversies. They avoid the harmful conduct, practices, and attitudes that are common in the world. (James 1:27; 4:4) Can you identify a religious group in your community that has these marks of true Christianity?

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Originally posted by Archer 007
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huh?

What are you trying to say? Are you asking for additions to your criteria, criticisms, lists of which sects follow the criteria correctly, or are you just telling us that this is the way it is?

I believe that is what Archer is saying.

The "No True Scotsman..." Fallacy:

From the "Round Earth Society" Guide of Logical Fallacies:

Suppose I assert that no Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge. You counter this by pointing out that your friend Angus likes sugar with his porridge. I then say "Ah, yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

This is an example of an Ad Hoc change being used to shore up an assertion, combined with an attempt to shift the meaning of the words used original assertion; you might call it a combination of fallacies.

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Regards .

I think the last line of Saga's post is what we should be looking at.

He wants to know just how valid those who call themselves christians really are - A fair point, and respectable.



Anyway, I don't believe jesus actually existed, so it counts me out.

Originally posted by CurtSibling
I think the last line of Saga's post is what we should be looking at.

He wants to know just how valid those who call themselves christians really are - A fair point, and respectable.



Anyway, I don't believe jesus actually existed, so it counts me out.

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Yup thats it, thanx curt.

And rigth about the last part too, if you dont believe in jesus it shouldent matter to you.

Originally posted by Sobieski II
What are you trying to say? Are you asking for additions to your criteria, criticisms, lists of which sects follow the criteria correctly, or are you just telling us that this is the way it is?

I believe that is what Archer is saying.

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That is exactly what I mean

Go Canucks!

Your from the jehovas, right?

1. Everyone claims to be the TRUE worshippers. Yawn... boring
2. see 1.
3. A good point.
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7. How can the world be a better place when not standing against the fool and evil. I know, the world doesn't matter much...

Lets look. 7 points, only one i really is a good one who should be followed by everyone.
All others are just self-propaganda. Nothing which makes a human a better one. Not even a 'live accordingle to moses 10 rules'.

One think i really don't like about the jehova (watchtower) people is the following: In one of your mags your organization advised your people to read only books and mags printed by the watchtower, staying away from other books and media because they misleading you. Hell, thats VERY close to brainwashing.
There are several things which annoy me on the jehovas, but this one is the biggest one.

Saga, the crux of being a Christian is believing in Christ.

Not following his commands as a mean to separate the true Christians from false ones would only be valid if those teachings were clear-cut and uncontroversial. But that’s not quite the case. Through history, people have done whatever they wanted, and always found a way to justify it in the words of Christ, even if by means considered a blatantly misinterpretation by other people's reasoning.

As, for better or worse, you own no mandate to define how such teachings should be interpreted, asserting that one that believes in Christ but understands him differently from what you do is a "false Christian" is not a valid point, for there is no parameter to allow uncontestable conclusion on which one got it right.

Or, in other words, the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Regards .

What about the points that are accepted by the majority of the Christian community? I feel those rules should be followed. Fred, you know as lawyer that people will try to use loopholes to avoid laws. The Bible is suppost to act as a source of personal law for all Christians.

Originally posted by yoshi74
Your from the jehovas, right?


One think i really don't like about the jehova (watchtower) people is the following: In one of your mags your organization advised your people to read only books and mags printed by the watchtower, staying away from other books and media because they misleading you. Hell, thats VERY close to brainwashing.
There are several things which annoy me on the jehovas, but this one is the biggest one.

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Who told u that? I noone ever has said that. I read plenty of books, plenty of mags, that are not from the JWs dont go talking about stuff u dont know when theres someone that knows about it in the room.

Just the fact that Im here, listening to what u may call "bad influence" ( according to what u said) its proof enough to shut u up about this.

Originally posted by Archer 007
Fred, you know as lawyer that people will try to use loopholes to avoid laws. The Bible is suppost to act as a source of personal law for all Christians.

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Should I say that they are not citzens because of this?

That's my point.

Regards .

I agree with you on that part, but just because they try to use loopholes do not mean that the law doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Archer 007
I agree with you on that part, but just because they try to use loopholes do not mean that the law doesn't exist.

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Well, I am not saying that the teachings of Christ don't exist. I am just saying that no one can point fingers at Christians and decide that the ones who do X, Y and Z are false ones.

Regards .

Originally posted by FredLC
Saga, the crux of being a Christian is believing in Christ.

Not following his commands as a mean to separate the true Christians from false ones would only be valid if those teachings were clear-cut and uncontroversial. But that’s not quite the case. Through history, people have done whatever they wanted, and always found a way to justify it in the words of Christ, even if by means considered a blatantly misinterpretation by other people's reasoning.

As, for better or worse, you own no mandate to define how such teachings should be interpreted, asserting that one that believes in Christ but understands him differently from what you do is a "false Christian" is not a valid point, for there is no parameter to allow uncontestable conclusion on which one got it right.

Or, in other words, the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Regards .

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You make a good point thou a christhian is someone that follows christ, but how will u follow someone if u dont know what he did, or said or preached?

The teachings of christ do are clear-cut

Of course I own no mandate, but rather christ rigth? Well there u are, go get me tetxts ( in the own bible) that contradict what I posted about christ theachings. If you read the passages, u will see that they are well defined, and arent a personal interpretation.

Also regards

Originally posted by Archer 007

Go Canucks!

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You can mess with a man's family, his women, and even his country, but you NEVER mess with a man's sports team

Anyways, I think the bible has minimal authority on what "Jesus'" life was like, so speculating on the true Christians based on scripture is ridiculous in my opinion.

Originally posted by FredLC
Well, I am not saying that the teachings of Christ don't exist. I am just saying that no one can point fingers at Christians and decide that the ones who do X, Y and Z are false ones.

Regards .

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I agree that there is too big of a tendency amongst Christians to do that. My view of Christian theology: once saved, always saved, but many people are living in a false sense of secruity about their destiny. Unless someone is committing adultery, stealing, or such on a regular basis, I can't really point fingers one way or the other.

Originally posted by FredLC
Well, I am not saying that the teachings of Christ don't exist. I am just saying that no one can point fingers at Christians and decide that the ones who do X, Y and Z are false ones.

Regards .

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I believe u can because then the bible wouldent say that there is "one road".

If no christian is false, then this would contradict what the bible says.

Plus u can say u are a christhian only from the mouth out, and again the bible says about this: "Faith without actions is dead".

So your actions should match what you have "faith in", and the actions of a christhian should match what christh did, say, preached etc...

Also to qoute again: "for their actions you shall recognize them" by the actions you shall recognize a chrsithian.

Originally posted by Sobieski II
You can mess with a man's family, his women, and even his country, but you NEVER mess with a man's sports team

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Don't blaim me! I've been talking to Vancouver2010 too much over MSN.