GeneralMatt's Creation Thread

Matt, the Russian BB is coming along beautifully....and I agree with Wolf, its an ugly ship to look at

Looking on the bright side...once this ship is done if you do the Royal Sovereign class and then scale back this model to the ww1 version dreadnought, you have every possible Russian BB across a 40ish year span.

Thanks for making this ship

Edit: Just some ideas for the Russian list (based on ww2)

Russia

BB: Gagmut Class (In production)

CV: MAXIM GORKIJ class
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/lode.php?language=E&period=2&idtrida=209

DD:? STOROZEVOJ or OGNEVOJ class
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/lode.php?language=E&period=2&idtrida=321
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/lode.php?language=E&period=2&idtrida=323

FF: Mostly given to USSR by USA?

Submarine: S IX (modified) class
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/lode.php?language=E&period=&idtrida=672

ww2commander said:

Matt, the Russian BB is coming along beautifully....and I agree with Wolf, its an ugly ship to look at

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I don't get it? What so ugly about it? It seems I don't have a refined taste when it comes to naval vessels?!

avain said:

I don't get it? What so ugly about it? It seems I don't have a refined taste when it comes to naval vessels?!

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Good naval design is all about clean lines, function of purpose and a well laid-out ship... none of which apply to the Russian Dreadnoughts/Battleships (and if you only knew how many differant names those ships went through, you'd shake your head even more).

Oh... and in English the (one of many) names that class went through is "Gangut", not "Gagmut" or "Gamgut".

Of course... Matt's model looks nothing like the Gangut!



Hehe... sorry Matt... couldn't resist!

Matt... I think your 'to-do' list will need to be more focused... WTH do we need "FF" for anyways? Does anyone even have any frigates in any mod? If anyone does, sorry, I haven't seen them, but why make a bunch of ships for a class nobody is using (I'm presuming that, maybe I'm wrong).

Anyways, I think the list should both be more focused and expanded a tad...

Instead of this:

BB: ?
CV: ?
CA/L: ?
DD: ?
FF: ?
Submarine:?

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Let's do this:
BB: ?
Dread: ?
Pre-Dread: ?
CV: ?
CA: ?
DD: ?
Submarine:?

I'd further stipulate that you'd probably want to do the capital ships first and save the destroyers and subs for a somewhat lower priority (unless you only need "one ship" or something to complete an entire set). My list may seem longer, but since I ditched the FF, and a lot of Pre-Dreadnoughts are already done, the list of "to-do's" is actually about the same.


Major Naval Powers would include:
US, UK, Japan, France, Germany, Russia & Italy

I've been thinking of farming-out the major navy vessels to several "colonies" too... like using US ships for Native America, British ships for Egypt/India and French ships for the Khmer... etc, etc.


Minor Naval Powers you could squeek some mileage out of would include:
Sweden, Austria-Hungary, Spain & Holland
(all four above had everything from the smallest of ships to coastal/regular battleships and/or dreadnoughts)


On a backburner, but something that might work for Meso-American cultures...
Argentina & Brazil actually sported decent navies, including battleships

I can fill the list for every class for the navies above tonight after work.

Thanks Wolfshanze! On the FF thing, that is why I put "Possibly" beside it, I wanted feedback on whether it was needed or not.

Let's do this:
BB: ?
Dread: ?
Pre-Dread: ?
CV: ?
CA: ?
DD: ?
Submarine:?

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I do like your idea for this, but I thought Snafusmith was working on the Dreadnought era?
I was also planning on doing the BB's Cruisers and CV's first, though I do not think there has ever been a DD put out.. At least not a WWII one. But it is lower priority for sure.

So if you would fill out a list with your list I would be most appreciative, I certainly do not mind doing predreadnoughts.

And you didn't get me with that pre-dreadnoughti Gamut or whatever (I do realize I spelt it wrong before). When searching for info in the one I am working on, I found that one.

ww2commander, I am glad you like it, thanks for the ideas!

Avain, glad you like it also, and yes, it is Ugly with a capital U.. They just didn't get the point of Ship building.

I've been thinking of farming-out the major navy vessels to several "colonies" too... like using US ships for Native America, British ships for Egypt/India and French ships for the Khmer... etc, etc.

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I was just thinking about that actually, it does make a lot of sense, and looks better also..

Minor Naval Powers you could squeek some mileage out of would include:
Sweden, Austria-Hungary, Spain & Holland
(all four above had everything from the smallest of ships to coastal/regular battleships and/or dreadnoughts)

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Yes indeed, as before the Spainsh-American war, Spain was not too bad off Navally hersefl. Couldn't take on the Royal Navy, no, but then who could?

On a backburner, but something that might work for Meso-American cultures...
Argentina & Brazil actually sported decent navies, including battleships

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Hmm, Yes, for the moment though I think your "farming out" may work.. As they were normally European built ships anyways..

I am glad you are looking at doing heavy cruisers, since I was always a little disappointed in the cruiser I used in my mod (and which Wolfshanze also used). Brooklyn class, wasn't it? Needs a better skin.

Yes, some may be Light Cruiser actually, I am not sure, we will see what Wolfshanze posts up..

GeneralMatt said:

Yes, some may be Light Cruiser actually, I am not sure, we will see what Wolfshanze posts up..

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I'll only list Heavy Cruisers for the cruiser-department... no sense in mixing them up... I can see complaints if we go that route ("why does Country-X get a CA and Country-Y only gets a CL? I've been gyped!").

I'll have a list out within a few more hours... must escape work first... realize most of the nations that actually built carriers already have them... not much left to do on that effort!

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Absolutely hideous Matt... just like a Russian battleship.

So what are you going to do about animations for this sucker? How many turrets will get animated?

Ok, Sounds good Wolfie, thanks for taking that on!

There is still a bit of UV mapping to be done, but yeah, she has nothing on the Hood.

Well, I would do 4, but Number One, the two middle turrets would not align and Number Two, if I did, the middle ones would turn the "wrong" way and shoot opposite of the target as they are pointing in. Maybe part of the Self Scuttling Procedure? Line up your ships in two parallel lines and let the enemy get on both sides of you. Then blaze away with all your guns .

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Ok, Sounds good Wolfie, thanks for taking that on!

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It won't take me long to do at all actually... I'll just dip into my PacGen database and pull-out the most relevant equipment/ship in each class... won't take long to do it, just have to be at home and alert (haven't had both conditions met in awhile, but I will tonight).

Somehow Matt's last post has me sensing a little Dejavu.

Haha. Well if you are too tired from work, I do not mind waiting until the weekend, I still have this ship to finish up, and I am not sure how much I can do tomorrow as we have some company coming over for Supper, and it will take a bit of preparing all day. And I need to do that Austrian-Hungarian Dreadnought first.

No... I'm fine... I only worked 10 hours today... yesterday I worked 14... much more full of life today. It won't take long... it's not work to me at all... I'll have it up shortly... leaving work now.

Yes, I enjoy stuff like this myself, I can't wait to see what you come up with. I have been gone a few hours, playing some intense Ball Hockey so I am glad to be resting myself..

Matt... here's your list for the seven major naval powers... I can come-up with a list for the other more minor powers if/when you want.

United States:
BB: Iowa (already done)
Dread: Florida
Pre-Dread: Iowa (already done)
CV: Essex (already done)
CA: Brooklyn (already done... technically a "CL" though) or Baltimore (a true CA)
DD: Fletcher
Submarine: Gato

England:
BB: Hood (already done by Danrell) or King George V (Danrell's Hood is top-notch... sorry Matt, but your QE Battleship is more akin to a WWI Super Dreadnought, then the standard WWII Battleship which the KGV was... also not fond of the QE Civ4 model)
Dread: Dreadnought (already done by Danrell)
Pre-Dread: Canopus (already done)
CV: Illustrious or Ark Royal
CA: Kent/London/Norfolk... any of these three which were the three designs of the "County" class CA
DD: Tribal
Submarine: T Class (not Thames, but "T")

Germany:
BB: Bismarck (already done)
Dread: Helgoland (already done)
Pre-Dread: Brandenburg (already done)
CV: Graf Zeppelin (already done)
CA: Admiral Hipper
DD: Zerstörer 1934... aka; 'Leberecht Maas'
Submarine: Type VIIC U-Boat (already done)

France:
BB: Richelieu or Dunkerque
Dread: Courbet
Pre-Dread: Jauréguiberry or Charlemagne
CV: Béarn
CA: Algerie
DD: Le Fantasque
Submarine: Surcouf

Japan:
BB: Yamato (already done)
Dread: Fuso
Pre-Dread: Mikasa (already done)
CV: Zuikaku (already done) or Akagi
CA: Takao
DD: Yugumo
Submarine: Type C

Russia:
BB: Gangut (already done) or Sovietski Soyuz
Dread: Gangut (they didn't have any other classes)
Pre-Dread: Bronenosets Tsesarevich (already done, but missing turrets!)
CV: Project 71 or Project 72
CA: Kirov
DD: Leningrad
Submarine: Stalinets

Italy:
BB: Littorio (already done)
Dread: Conte Di Cavour
Pre-Dread: Regina Margherita or Emanuele Filiberto
CV: Aquila
CA: Zara
DD: Soldati
Submarine: Marconi

Thanks! It seems like a fair amount of the BB's, CV's, and quite a few Dreadnoughts, and Pre-dreadnoughts are done already.
I do understand you on the QE class, that was far from my best effort, though I may go and fix it up someday.

Thanks again! Should be a fun list to do..

Well, you may notice Italy and France have been totally dissed by the modding community on navies!

Germany and the US are nearly done in having a ship in every category... if the USS Florida were made, the US and Germany would be tied for "mostly completed".

In other news, the Russian Bronenosets Tsesarevich is an excellent Pre-Dreadnought model, but it's missing a lot of turrets and it smokes too much IMHO. Wonder if the turrets could be added/corrected and still keep the excellent texture work (and tune-down that smokestack... I can't see the model!).

I actually suggested a Yorktown CV for America...

And I can't tell you how pleased I am to see the Gato make your list.

Matt, your a man of a million talents (well maybe one major talent )

As you mentioned, the deck does need a few bits and bobs to make it look complete....also, is it just me or is the deck colour very dark?

Cant wait to get see the finished version.

Hey Matt I know your busy with a ton of ships, but I thought I'd throw this thing your way: The Arsenal Ship, A possible battleship of the future that got canned

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h199/Wyrmshadow3/Civstuff/ArsenalShip/Big.png

It would be a true upgrade from the Battleship, rather than the missile cruiser. And a compliment to the Stealth Destroyer. This thing is armed with more missiles than you can imagine...and it would be Battleship sized ideally if you made it, since it was never completed(only a concept design), and I'm taking some artistic freedom here lol.