* Mod of Europe: 56 leaders * Discussion thread

AlCosta15 said:
I think CivArmy is just making this a mod without a pre-set map.

Um...but I didnt take France out so it would be fine.
But your right, it all depends on the map.
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I meant take Burgundy out and France can get BIG, and if you take Bohemia out Prussia can get BIG. Bigger than that nations that surround it anyway.

Anyway, keep up the good work.
 
Martinus said:
Uhm, not counting the short-lived Latin Princedom of Athens (which was a crusading state that never amounted to much), no Greek state was ever present even remotely close to the time Byzantium (or most states on your list, such as Poland or Hungary) existed.

Ever since being conquered by Romans, Greece was first part of Byzantium, then Turkey - until 19th century.
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Yeah, I'm referring to the Latin states set up during that time. On second thought Byzantium would fit the niche better. Could get a bit crowded in that area anyway.
 
Calantyr said:
I meant take Burgundy out and France can get BIG, and if you take Bohemia out Prussia can get BIG. Bigger than that nations that surround it anyway.

Anyway, keep up the good work.
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Oh okay. But, if you put Belgium and Holland there it will reduce France and Prussias sizes anyway.
 
Ad Hominem said:
That list is not very... hmm... fitting for anything else, besides a medieval-modern mod. Not quite what the creator of this mod has in mind, I think.
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I have in mind create a mod to represent all the times of all Europe, it is hard, but I'll try. In case I wouldn't able to do that I can simple choice a era (medieval, ancient, industrial, modern...) and pick the civis :D

I have to re-do the civis list using the new suggestions, but I am exciting with the creation of new LHs right now (previews in some days)
 
If it would be not a problem, it would be great if you created Polish ones sooner than later, CivArmy, as the civ is otherwise ready, so would just need to add LHs. :)
 
I would not include Illyrians, they were never, ever a united state and never actually had any "civilization" at all. When they got hellenized/romanized they produced a few leaders for the Roman Empire (mainly of the East) but that's all their contribution. The Albanians of today are a different people altogether and have very little to do with the Illyrians (besided the odd intermixture that occurs with different people on the same, roughly, ground)
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And so the greek reveals himself. Perhaps you're mad at the Illyrians for this fact?
312BC King Glauk of Illyria expelled the Greeks from Durrës.

;)

Illyrians were united under King Bardhyli between 400 and 300 BC:

400BC-300BC King Bardhylus united Illyria, Molossia (Epirus) and part of Macedonia. The Illyrian kingdom reaches its peak.

In 232 BC Queen Teuta occupied the throne after her husband King Agron died (both are ethnic Albanian names). Piracy was legal under her and Illyrian pirate ships terrorized Greek and Roman vessels. (The Greeks were terrified of the Illyrians). This prompted Roman intervention and began the Illyrian Wars that Rome used to incorporate the region into their empire.

Only some Illyrians were hellenized and romanized, but a large portion of them averted assimilation. The ones that were romanized were later assimilated by the Goths, Huns, Avars, Serbs, Croats, and Bulgars which successively invaded Illyrian lands beginning in the 4th century AD.

In 1081 AD the Illyrians were first referred to as Albanians (after the Illyrian Albanoi tribe) by the Byzantine Emperor in a historical record.

The Illyrians (modern-day Albanians) were next completely unified in the 15th century under the glorious rebellion of Gjergj Kastrioti. That part of history is especially worth mentioning , for they saved Western Europe and Christianity from the mighty Ottoman Empire.
 
That part of history is especially worth mentioning , for they saved Western Europe and Christianity from the mighty Ottoman Empire.
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When was this exactly?
Hungary (Hungrian Kingdom) was the main defending force against the turks in the area. (f.e. 'Belgrade 1456', Hunyadi Janos)
 
Janosh Hunyadi was an ally of Gjergj Kastrioti. The Hungarians were fighting the Turks before Kastrioti's rebellion, and continued to do so afterward. Both men were awarded the title "Athleta Christi" by the Popes of the Catholic Church.

In 1443 Gjergj Kastrioti left the Ottoman ranks having an agreement with the Hungarian leader Janosh Hunyadi. He continued to defeat the Ottoman armies in pitched battle until his death in 1468.
 
More nationalistic "Albania uber alles" rubish by the baby eagle...

sorry for opening the particular can of worms in your topic, CivArmy, I won't reply to this person here because that would pollute the topic way too much.
 
I have some specific point to discuss?
- Should Greece be thoghter with Macedonia and Minoais? In case yes, should Greece own one or two new leaders and Firaxis Alexander became the Macedonian leader?
- Should Rome and Italy be thoghter in this mod?
- Should France and Franks be thoghter too?
- Should Huns and Turks be here?

what do u think about those specific questions people? :)
 
CivArmy s. 1994 said:
I have some specific point to discuss?
- Should Greece be thoghter with Macedonia and Minoais? In case yes, should Greece own one or two new leaders and Firaxis Alexander became the Macedonian leader?
- Should Rome and Italy be thoghter in this mod?
- Should France and Franks be thoghter too?
- Should Huns and Turks be here?

what do u think about those specific questions people? :)
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Personally I think the answer to all three should be yes.

Greece should be combined with Macedonia and Minoais, with leaders being Alexander, Pericles and Minos.

Rome and Italy should (arguably) be combined, having three leaders: Ceasar, Constantine (or some other emperor) and Julius II, the Warrior Pope (or possibly some other Pope).

France and Franks should definitely be together, and you could arguably add Charlemagne as the third French leader.

Turks should be in. Huns I think were not enough of a civ, and should be represented as barbarians.
 
the topic is back ;), what I thought was typed below. Suggestions for missing stuff r welcome. and other leaders to complete 56 too :D

Albania
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Armenia
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Austria
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Basques
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Belgium
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Bulgaria
Leader: Khan Boris I Michail
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Bulgarian Horseman


Byzantines
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Croatia
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Czech
Leader: President Masaryk
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Hussite


Denmark
Leader 1: King Canute
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: King Ragnar
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Berserker


Dutch
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


England
Leader 1: Queen Victoria
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: Queen Elizabeth
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Red Coat


Etruscans
Leader: King Lars Porsenna
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Etruscan Chariot


Finland
Leader: President Uhro Kekkonen
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


France
Leader 1: King Louis XIV
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: Emperor Napoleon
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Musketeer


Germany
Leader 1: Chancellor Bismark
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: King Frederick
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Panzer


Goths
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Greece
Leader: King Alexander (The Great)
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Iceland
Leader: King Ingólfur Arnarson
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Knarr


Ireland
Leader 1: Patriot Michael Collins
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2:
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Fianna


Lithuania
Leader: King Mindaugas
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Vytis


Norway
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Viking Long Boat


Poland
Leader 1: King Casimir
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: King John Sobieski
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Husaria


Portugal
Leader 1: Infante Henrique
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: Dom Afonso Henriques
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit:


Romania
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Rome
Leader 1: Emperor Julius Caesar
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: General Scipio Africanus
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Pretorian


Russia
Leader 1: Emperor Peter (The Great)
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: Tsarina Catherine (The Great)
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Cossack


Scotland
Leader 1: King Robert (The Bruce)
Bonuses 1:
Unique Unit: Highlander


Serbia
Leader: Vožd Karadorde Petrovic
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Cetnik


Spain
Leader 1: Queen Isabella
Bonuses 1:
Unique Unit: Conquistador


Sweden
Leader: King Gustav II Adolf
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Caroline


Switzerland
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Turkey
Leader 1: President Ataturk
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2:
Bonuses 2: Sultan Selin I
Unique Unit:


Wales
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Welsh Longbowman
 
CivArmy s. 1994 said:
the topic is back ;), what I thought was typed below. Suggestions for missing stuff r welcome. and other leaders to complete 56 too :D

Albania
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Armenia
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Austria
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Basques
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Belgium
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Bulgaria
Leader: Khan Boris I Michail
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Bulgarian Horseman


Byzantines
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Croatia
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Czech
Leader: President Masaryk
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Hussite


Denmark
Leader 1: King Canute
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: King Ragnar
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Berserker


Dutch
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


England
Leader 1: Queen Victoria
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: Queen Elizabeth
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Red Coat


Etruscans
Leader: King Lars Porsenna
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Etruscan Chariot


Finland
Leader: President Uhro Kekkonen
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


France
Leader 1: King Louis XIV
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: Emperor Napoleon
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Musketeer


Germany
Leader 1: Chancellor Bismark
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: King Frederick
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Panzer


Goths
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Greece
Leader: King Alexander (The Great)
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Iceland
Leader: King Ingólfur Arnarson
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Knarr


Ireland
Leader 1: Patriot Michael Collins
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2:
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Fianna


Lithuania
Leader: King Mindaugas
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Vytis


Norway
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Viking Long Boat


Poland
Leader 1: King Casimir
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: King John Sobieski
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Husaria


Portugal
Leader 1: Infante Henrique
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: Dom Afonso Henriques
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit:


Romania
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Rome
Leader 1: Emperor Julius Caesar
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: General Scipio Africanus
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Pretorian


Russia
Leader 1: Emperor Peter (The Great)
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2: Tsarina Catherine (The Great)
Bonuses 2:
Unique Unit: Cossack


Scotland
Leader 1: King Robert (The Bruce)
Bonuses 1:
Unique Unit: Highlander


Serbia
Leader: Vožd Karadorde Petrovic
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Cetnik


Spain
Leader 1: Queen Isabella
Bonuses 1:
Unique Unit: Conquistador


Sweden
Leader: King Gustav II Adolf
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Caroline


Switzerland
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit:


Turkey
Leader 1: President Ataturk
Bonuses 1:
Leader 2:
Bonuses 2: Sultan Selin I
Unique Unit:


Wales
Leader:
Bonuses:
Unique Unit: Welsh Longbowman
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Oh, how sweet from u, %^*$(...

Lithuania is in, but where's Latvia ? :mad:
 
CivArmy, I'm almost done creating the Albanian civ.

As a special bonus the mod is a double-civ pack featuring both Illyrians and Albanians. While the remnants of the Illyrian tribes gradually became known as the Albanians, the purpose of having them as separate civs allows for different leaders of different time periods (many centuries apart), different UUs, different city names, etc.

For me right now the main set-back has been a reskin of the UU, but I suppose I can release a version without a reskinned UU... just give me a timeframe of when you want to create this mod, and I'll try my best to release it before then (I am hesitant to release it in a less-than-perfect condition, but exceptions can be made).
 
PS- for Albania, the leader is: Gjergj Kastrioti
The UU is: Light Guerilla Cavalry in English.
 
CivArmy s. 1994 said:
Well, I have one simple idea, the "Mod of Europe" just using European civis. I have the idea to use 56 different leaders, not necessary one per civi, but I wanna represent all the continent as possible I can. I don't know if the civis will be just of any specific time, as Medieval Age or Modern countries or if this mods will mix all these eras. Maybe limit of 2 leaders per civ. Why 56? Because we have 8 bonuses (expansive, financial...) and we can make 28 different combinations. If I put each combination 2 times we have 56 civis. If I put more them 56 leader the mod could turn too heavy for dial upper, when I'd be able to animate the LHs and produce my own unit models the mod could have hundreds of mega.
Other ideas:
- launch a "BETA" everytime I'll produce 8 new civis adding these new civis
- maybe one or two UUs per civ, don't know.

Well, this is a discussion thread and I expect receive some ideas to create this mod. I don't have images for adverstasing yet. I think the first option that I have to do is chose the leaders and the civis. I have these in mind right now:

- England
- Germany
- France
- Spain
- Rome or Italy, maybe one leader for Rome and another for Italy, but the same civ
- Russia
- Portugal
- Vikings or Scandinanvia or Denmark/Norway/Sweden or maybe each country with its own civ
- Celts
- Illyrians
- Greece
- Bulgaria
- Poland
- Ukraine

well, what do u think about this new challenge? :D
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Do you know the Ottoman Empire which control the all south-east Europe 500 years??? Do u know the country who is on Europe and Asia,and more close to Europe than Asia??? If there is small Europeans countries like Bulgaria who had never been independent until 1950's,you must add Turkey as Ottoman Empire in Europe too.. :mischief:
 
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