Acid_01: Emperor

I dea Of Slavery fielded rush is to attack very fast and early. WE simply can not produce 10 axes and our economy can not support them.
New York has only 2 archers in at the moment and no cultural bonus. It is all about speed. New York +1 happy Let Besbalik to produce exes to, giving as a good axe army.

WE do not need any more workers befor declaring war, because the only thin we really need to improve are special resource.
After Karakorum resduced to 2-3 happy you can fix it by producing worker waiting to unhappines to dissipitated.
Idea of this start if that special resources MACH more productive then anything else.
If does need very curefull Microing out cities and I hope you undestand Idea of 2 population whipe axe production, but it is extrimelly fast way to get Axe army going.

Interesting,
the way i would do it is have 10 axes, all got by poprush ofcourse(and that wont really cripple our economy by that much), and rush every city Roosevelt might have including capitol. In other words, instead of capturing one city and letting our units heal, I’d send remaining units toward capital right away. The point is to get just enough money to research alphabet even tough we might run science at -15. It doesn’t matter, as we'll have our economy up in matter of turns, especially since he has two golds running. I think this is better than slowly killing him, and giving him a chance to counter. Running 10 axmen at once will not kill us I think...
I'd like to hear what others think about whats better to do here.

But after taking New York we will get +1 happy = more Axes faster = His capital fall faster.

We can attack NY with 5-6 axes and bring up reinforcements while they heal up if we timed our whips right to get 2 population whips. We need a road from Karakorum to NY for that.

Washington has +40% cultural defences and may have city walls by the time we invade so axemen attacking at less than full health is a bad idea. I think we will have to heal at least one or two units in NY after we take it. I don't actually want to go after the capital with any less than 8 full strength axes, there are usually 4 or so defenders there.

btw, i started a new game here, if anyone is interested (and if you got time),
seems people don't like emperor or something tho i've seen a lot of emperor games around...

I am thiking about it, but time is a constrain.

Writing in 1420 BC. I open borders with Huayana, he has 2 ivory and gems, keep checking to trade with him, once he connects his second ivory trade with him.

Start Alphabet after Writing. 1180 BC declare war on Roosevelt, we have 5 axes, 3 at border at 2 axes 2 turns behind main party.



Roosevelt moves chariot into his city with the 2 archers. I wait for 4 axeman to attack, then will do mop job second turn around.
Turn 1:
Axeman Cover attacks Archer 60.8% loses
Axeman Cover attacks Archer 60.8% loses
Axeman City raider attacks chariot 96% wins
Axeman City rader attacks archer 99.8% wins

Roosevelt moves another chariot into New York in between turns.

Turn 2:
Axeman City Raider 2 attacks chariot 96.4% wins
Axeman City Raider 2 attacks archer 99.8% wins

And New York is ours. Worker captured also



I have started Worker in capital which should be completed in 3 more turns. There is a axeman in queue also in capital, I would suggest to finish that once worker is built. Once that axe is built naturally, Use slavery again to whip 2 more axes. In the meantime, Beshbalik should be able to produce 1-2 axe naturally. This should give us around 8 total axes to go after Roosevelt's capital.

Whip beshbalik for some axes also once the happiness penalty runs out, to defend new york.

The save

Everything looks Fine, Nice work!
May be we should get some spears for city/stack protection to support axes?
Roosevelt has chariots it seems.

I think math is a natural choice after alphabet.

Also, i'd like to keep at least one axe in capital. I don't trust Peter in all my games...

BTW, did you noticed that Roosevelt come with Holly city?
That would be a nice price.

Tech wize, Could I suggest next persona stop when we discover Alphavit to we can disscuss trades and future tech part depend on it?
Personally I think right now it is to early to decide what we research next befor we see what avalible and what AI are up to and state of our war with Roosevelt.

And I still think that make 10 turns peace with roosevelt on discovery of Alphavit and get all his low end tech for free is a good idea.

Holly city would be nice addition,
I agree, we need to see what everyone has to offer, but i wouldn't leave America with more than one city...
I like to see we are having discussion on techs, I think in all too many games people just choose the "cheapest" tech, or one that "feels good" without really thinking too much...
One thing, we have horses and we have opportunity to get our UU early which is never a bad idea.

nice progress, I also think maths would be important, all the more since it lifts the chopping penalty

One more think. I hope you will take it as a learning expirience.

This city on this picture is in vary wastefull state.
I would try to explan.
Whipping 2 population on size 4 city convers 1 food into 2.5 shields.
So, when you not working 5 food tie, you potentially waste 5*2.5=12.5 shields/turn.

How to avoide it? Whipping advanced:

City has 3 happy and only 2 improved ties. IN 2 turn it will get + 1 happy from new resource and 3rd tie would improve.

So, if we switch production to Spear and switch tie back to 5 food tie, we can whipe spear for 2 population next turn and send overflow to axe, finishing it a turn later. send overflow to next axe and then depends on future happiness.

Idea to to shaffle food/production between 3 different units.
Axe - Main production
Spear - we need some of this
worker - stop grow why still use best ties.

There should be NEVER need not to work best tie.

Dont worry, I always take everything as a learning experience. Thanks for the post.

What I thought was to cut down on the growth so that we would grow right when the happiness is connected, thus not having a unhappy citizen. Im just too used to always going for the highest sized cities. If we do advanced whipping then our max size would be 3. (2 unhappy from slavery)

Ill take what you said into consideration next time.

Idea is that undevelop ties bring only 1 unit of production = no mach point when we can have more axes faster.
Our capital, for example, has only 3 good ties, so there is no mach point to have it stabilise on more then 3 happy.
Second city had only 2 ties, so 2 happy was enogth.
In short that mean that we can have 7 more axes/spears in next 6-8 turns

4 from capital and 3 from second city, more if any previous unhappiness will dissipitate.

Played 15 of my 20 so far and got to alphabet.

I didn't really want to do the 2 happiness whip in Beshbalik since we had a 3rd good tile (horse) to work. Then HC declared war on us, so I was pretty much forced to do it anyway. I found Roosevelt's holy city and metal source at Boston up river near the Furs (desert mine that obviously has iron.) Camped an axe on top of the river to prevent axemen. Captured Washington, which only had 3 defenders because Roosevelt was stupidly building a settler that popped out the turn before I captured it. Bonus. I've also taken Tiwanaku from HC, his declaration of war appears to have been based on border tensions and not really backed up by much force. I expect to own Boston too at the end of our turnset.

Washington is godly. Rice, 3 flood plains, horses, 2 gold.

Roosevelt has one more city left. It's too distant and would drain our economy while contributing very little, I vote we let him keep it for now and just extort tech. Any cities he founds will be at the expense of Mansa's expansion which is good. Washington only has 1 unhappy from 'we want to rejoin our motherland.'

Saladin has Oracle. Traded writing to Saladin for mysticism, he wouldn't give us anything more.

Tech status: Everyone has iron working. Only Mansa has mathematics. I don't like the idea of trading him alphabet right now because he will trade his monopoly techs to other AIs and significantly speed up the AI tech rate which I don't want to do as our research rate will tank in the mid-term.

I think it is the right decision to go for mathematics ourselves and maybe we can get some trade value out of it. Then Construction and build eles and cats and stomp HC. Elephants are a lot more useful than Keshik to us as they counter both axemen and the horse archers he'll probably have soon very well. Peter is Jewish and when we convert he should be willing to play nice. I am staying pagan until we have the holy city though since there are no immediate happiness problems, and Mansa is Hindu and I don't want him crashing the party too.

Will finish up soon. Unless anyone thinks we ought to trade alphabet around I feel mathematics is the right move here. I don't know whether we'll be able to get Iron for it or not though.

ok, those last 5 turns were eventful.

Mansa demanded alphabet in tribute. No damn way. I'd rather be at war with the entire continent at the same time than give him alphabet for free.

Peter also saved us the trouble of worrying whether he'll backstab us or not by declaring war on us too. I kill one of his archers near HC's lands and he suicides another one into an axe defending New York. He doesn't seem to have anything more than archers...

Boston falls easily. Roosevelt won't give all his tech for peace but he IS willing to part with Iron Working, which is ultra-useful, so I take that and sign peace, as it seems any turn we are at war with more AIs than we need to be is an invitation for others to declare on us for no good reason.

Saladin just converted to Judaism. We should do so too, he could be a very useful ally. Hopefully Maths (due in 9) will get us some useful stuff from him and we can get tech from Peter too after we take a city or two off him.

So we are in a 2 front war but aren't really threatened on either front yet. I built a lot of troops and went 13:1 or so in kill ratio.

There is an Incan chariot near Tiwanaku to kill. Don't whip Beshbalik for a while, we should let it recover.

here's the save. I think you really need to look at the whole save to understand the position, so I haven't included any screenshots.

Very solid turns uberfish
I absolutely agree on the path you chose. We can trade that math for all low lvl techs...
We shouldn't trade alphabet any time soon, if we want to keep research advantage...
Also, not to be the royal pain in the ass, but i wish i had a couple of pic from you while i was reading your interesting report. Next time, at least include one.
I can’t believe HC declared war on us and doesn't have any forces, that is so weak
I'm not so much surprised with Peter however... U think they all deserve some now...
Here, I’ll post a few pictures of our current empire.

Our capital :



The worker is doping a cottage there, and I would cancel that. Our capital seems to be a perfect industrial center. We could be making units there in no time. There is also a lot of forest we could cut for a wonder.

This is captured Tiwanaku. Notice Beshbalik -> it could be solid science city.



....together with Washington, which should be our main science center. Worker is farming flood plains, I also don't agree there, we need cottage spamming there, as Washington can support those gold hills with rice...



I will play 10 moves today, since there are 9 to math, I’ll put slider at 0% on my 10th turn, we need to decide if we want construction on CoL. I prefer second option.
It is obvious now that Saladin should be our only fiend on the island, everyone else need to die soon...
any suggestions before I start my turn?