Who is your favorite Christian?

Whose your favorite christian

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My favorite Christians are the ones who advocate war and hatred instead of peace and forgiveness. Take Adolf Hitler, for example.

Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good. H. L. Mencken
 
MagisterCultuum said:
We probably would have. Gutenberg did not invent the printing press he invented movable metal type. Printing presses with hand made wooden letters had been in fairly wide use use for about a century. I suspect that someone would have moved to a more durable material fairly soon anyway if Gutenburg had never been born. Also, I don't know of any evidence that he was a particularly devout christian.
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Ooooookay... then Martin Luther. He started the Protestant Reformation and actually took that first step towards free thought. Now you cannot possibly deny his devotion! :D
 
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Yes, sweetie?
 
The one that said
"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." — "Kill them all, the Lord will recognise His own."

Great quote
 
Oh and besides: Hitler was atheist, he even wanted to eradicate the Christian faith in Germany (I gotta know it, I'm a German by myself) and to replace with an altered, modernized version of the pagan, naturalistic Germanic religion. So even though he was christenized as a Catholic, he can be considered as a rival to this very religion.
 
Well, it seems he wasn't an atheist, but I am not really convinced he was a Christian either. I base this not on his Jew-killing, Europe-conquering tendencies, but on what little I know of his actual beliefs.
 
eastsidebagel said:
Oh and besides: Hitler was atheist, he even wanted to eradicate the Christian faith in Germany (I gotta know it, I'm a German by myself) and to replace with an altered, modernized version of the pagan, naturalistic Germanic religion. So even though he was christenized as a Catholic, he can be considered as a rival to this very religion.
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Of course! You'd only have to look at the religious beliefs section of his Wiki page and the appropriate citations to see that.

But yes I wouldn't say he was atheistic. He just used whatever he could use in whatever religion to meet his own ends, much like most leaders in history.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
Well, it seems he wasn't an atheist, but I am not really convinced he was a Christian either. I base this not on his Jew-killing, Europe-conquering tendencies, but on what little I know of his actual beliefs.
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Read "Mein Kampf" (I did, it was very informative) and you'll see that he didn't believe in nothing but the superiority of the Aryan race. Oh, and that Jews are basically the source of all the wars and exploitings of the white people.
 
leonel said:
Take your Hitler loving, Jew hating self to Stormfront, Formaldehyde! We already have one resident white supremest!
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Thanks for reminding me why my ignore list is so long.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." Adolf Hitler.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. Adolf Hitler

Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity. Adolf Hitler

It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before our God. Adolf Hitler

We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people. Adolf Hitler
 
Formaldehyde said:
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." Adolf Hitler.
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Nice Hitler quote you got there. But seriously, would a devout beliefer of the Christian faith (a Jew is your friggin god!) have acted this way? No, of course not, therefore I believe without the slightest doubt that Hitler hadn't faith in which religion whatsoever!
 
Formaldehyde said:
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." Adolf Hitler.
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Of course he's going to say whatever, especially before 1933! He's a politician! Politicians will say anything to win votes! Besides, why would he want competition for the German people's worship?

"...terrorism in religion is, to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalized and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men's minds." Adolf Hitler, "Hitler's Table Talks" Christianity: 4 April 1942, Martin Bormann, published 1953)

"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." Adolf Hitler, Heiden, Konrad A History of National Socialism, p. 100, A.A. Knopf, 1935
 
Let's just say that Hitler would have pretended to be a devout Buddhist or whatever if it would have advanced his plans to gain power over a multitude of people. Those people are called manipulative hypocrites for a reason.
 
leonel said:
Of course he's going to say whatever, especially before 1933! He's a politician! Politicians will say anything to win votes! Besides, why would he want competition for the German people's worship?
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Because anti-Semitism was a very popular Christian stance back then?

Until the 60s, no Jews were allowed to live on Pass-A-Grille Beach in Florida. So a wealthy Jew built the Hotel Rellim (Miller spelled backwards) right on the border where St Pete Beach began, right next to the Don Ce Sar Hotel (which also did not allow Jews at the time). It became quite popular with Jews from around the world to vacation there as a political statement.

http://millerfamilyreunions.com/

The Rellim was the name of the Hotel my grandparents built in 1941 in Pass-A-Grille Beach, Fla. Pass-A-Grille is a small community on a narrow peninusla at the southern end of St. Pete Beach. As the story goes, after “The Millers” moved from Brooklyn to St. Pete, Grandpa decided he wanted to get started by getting a job - get the “lay of the land, etc”. Well, as the story goes, no one would hire him - Jewish, you know. But, that would not keep him down. He opened a woman’s dress and notions (buttons, zippers, etc.) store in downtown St. Pete. My mom, Miriam, and my Aunts, Lillian & Dorothy, were in high school and they worked in the store after school and on Saturday. The store was well liked, carried good merchandise and did well.

After a few years in Florida, they decided it would be nice to join the “summer club” at the grand new hotel, The Don Ce Sar, on St. Pete Beach. It was built in the late 20’s in the style of the other grand Florida hotels - ie: The Breakers in Palm Beach. They played cards, swam and talked with friends and, as the story goes, were told at the end of their first summer there that they would not be permitted to join again - Jewish, you know!

Well, not one to be kept down they decided to build a Hotel that would be open to Jewish, or any, clientel. Grandpa bought the land just south of The Don Ce Sar that was owned by them and fronted on the bay of the Eastern side of the only artery in Pass-A-Grille. A beautiful art deco structure was finished in 1941 with a large terrazzo porch on the front, a nice size lobby that opened in the back to a patio and the bay. There were 60 hotel rooms. As the story goes, they knew nothing about the hotel business and would sit on the porch trying to wave down cars passing to get them to stay at the Hotel. Business was slow the first year!

By the next year, the Second World War was in “full swing” and cruise ships were no longer going out. Jack was friendly with a cruise ship manager who had many contacts with “important” people, and he leased the hotel for 1 year. Grandpa & Grandma “stood by” and watched how he worked. Business boomed. The year after, Grandpa decided he could run it himself, he hired the best chef in town and continued the business. The Hotel was only open in the winter - he offered 3 grand meals a day - American plan only - and had a success! Rates in 1941 were about about $20 per day per room - full board!
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Hitler may not have been all that devout, but he was clearly a Christian.
 
Umm...

Getting away from the rather pointless Hitler talk...

I'd say Martin Luther King, Jr. Few Christians in modern times have had such a POSITIVE impact on the world I currently live in. Of course, Mother Teresa is cool too.

I'd agree with Fifty about JS Bach as well.
 
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