I raise you "When Merkel turns about to be the leader of Germany I will auto declare war when I see her face pop up and flood her lands with my units, telling her "Ihr schafft das.""!
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I raise you "When Merkel turns about to be the leader of Germany I will auto declare war when I see her face pop up and flood her lands with my units, telling her "Ihr schafft das.""!
I get that it's controversial. I mean after all, when a statue was made of her some disgruntled miner instantly decapitated her. But she was "great". Whatever your political persuasion. As was hitler, Stalin and Mao. She isn't quite in the same bracket (she lacks the genocide and mass murder aspect). But she was a great and divisive character. Like all the rest.
I raise you "When Merkel turns about to be the leader of Germany I will auto declare war when I see her face pop up and flood her lands with my units, telling her "Ihr schafft das.""!
I take it you are on the left of the political persuasion then?
TranquilSilence
Grumpy Snufkin
I don't really think general opinion is divided on Mao, Stalin and Hitler though - it certainly is on Thatcher here in the UK. I agree that she had a huge influence on modern Britain (for better or worse), it'd just be silly to choose such a divisive leader when better options are available. Cromwell would be a comparable example - he's often touted as one of history's greatest Englishmen - but others hold him to be a genocidal monster (though this argument is losing tract in Ireland), the truth is clearly somewhere in the middle but why go for a controversial leader when Liz or Viccy will suffice?
I'm pretty sure that Elizabeth, Victoria and Churchill are the only leaders that we're likely to see for England in civ - there are many potential options (especially Alfred) but here we are, I'm getting way too off topic.
I'd be happy with most things, so long as the default isn't Thatcher, or Henry VIII
I'm pretty sure that Elizabeth, Victoria and Churchill are the only leaders that we're likely to see for England in civ - there are many potential options (especially Alfred) but here we are, I'm getting way too off topic.
I'd be happy with most things, so long as the default isn't Thatcher, or Henry VIII
j51
Blue Star Cadet
This! I think having a few jointly ruling married couples would be awesome:
Isabella and Ferdinand!
Justinian and Theodora!
FDR and Eleanor!
Suleiman and Roxelana!
Akhenaten and Nefertiri!
Augustus and Livia?
Other family/government arrangements:
Maria Theresa with her sons, Joseph II and Leopold II, skulking in the background!
Prince Shitoku with Empress Suiko enthroned behind him!
Victoria seated with a Palmerston, Gladstone, or Disraeli speaking for her!
Think of the possibilities Firaxis!
Also, any of the Kandakes of Nubia would be awesome, or Gudit for the Ethiopians maybe.
PS: Seconding the no votes on Jean D'Arc and Cleopatra and "boos!" to Thacher! With Cleo I can at least mod it to be Hatshepsut easily. And please, bring back the most haughty Empress Wu. Remember, she ain't nothin' to... well, you know the rest!
I take it that my political persuasion is not part of jokes I make on a gaming forum.
Hoop Thrower
Cyberbolivarian Inkarri
What ever floats your boat. I do not Judge - even on the internet!
Talcove
Slayer of Spies
Only if in the diplomacy screen Eva sings to you from the balcony of the Casa Rosada.
Awesome female ruler would be legendary warrior queen Lakshmibai.
The problem is, she was from India and this 3000 year old civilisation in civ series is always in shadow of one man, Gandhi (who I think is greatly overrated and I don't like him as a historical person at all, but that's separate thread). That means no queens (there were more great Indian female rulers) and no Indian empires, and once again India will be incompetent pacifist pushover far from historical 'character' of this civilisation. Eh.
Anyway, other female rulers I'd like to see:
*Vietnam with Truong Sisters (national heroines of Vietnam, two rebellious sisters generals riding elephants - such dual leader would be also super unique!) or Lady Trieu (another national heroine of Vietnam, also rebel general fighting Chinese hegemony)
*Persia had surprisingly many female generals, leaders and heroines before rise of Islam (my favourite is Pantea Arteshbod, and not just because her name screams 'badass')
*Nzinga Mbande, queen of Kongo (well, to be exact, one of neighbors of Kingdom of Kongo) and famous brave opposition to the Portuguese colonial domination
*Ya Asanteewa of Ashanti Kingdom (which would be pretty worthy addition to civilisations roster)
*Amanishakheto of Nubia (next worthy civilisation btw)
*Nefertete or Hatshepsut of Egypt (Cleopatra is extremely overrated by history, also female rulers of Egypt would be more interesting than Ramesses again)
*Roxolana as Ottoman leader would be controversial as hell as she was adviser and second in rule, not actual ruler, but I would be okay with it because she was very cool and she'd be much more interesting than Suleiman who always rules every ottoman/turkish civ in any civ game ever. Besides, civ already did such weird or much weirder choices for civ leaders (Theodora, consort, for Byzantium, semi-legendary Dido for Carthago instead of obvious Hannibal, and especially Maria 'ruled shortly and terribly' of Portugal who was very visible chosen just because BNW add-on 'needed' at least one token woman ruler) so...
*Joanna d'Arc would be controversial as French ruler too, as she never ruler the country, but I'd gladly welcome her - one of my favourite historical leaders, very unique person and pretty significant one. She'd be much more interesting than Napoleon who we will probably get (so France will end up as militaristic civilisation anyway).
Also, maybe her military operations were far smaller than Napoleon's campaigns, but in the end she succeeded in restoring French morale and them winning terrible war, while in the end Napoleon completely ruined France and brought its rivals to power over Europe
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Other than that, I'd gladly welcome old friends:
*Elisabeth of England (alternatively, Victoria would be cool too)
*Catherine of Russia (my favourite civ5 AI leader and personality, very distinctive person)
*Isabel of Spain
*Wu Zetian of China
*Theodora of Byzantium
Not Dido and Boudicca because while they were interesting personalities, they were a bit too... ahistorical to serve as great leaders examples after all (Dido - mythology, Boudicca - spontaneous rebellion ended in a devastating defeat). Maria of Portugal was bad case too.
The problem is, she was from India and this 3000 year old civilisation in civ series is always in shadow of one man, Gandhi (who I think is greatly overrated and I don't like him as a historical person at all, but that's separate thread). That means no queens (there were more great Indian female rulers) and no Indian empires, and once again India will be incompetent pacifist pushover far from historical 'character' of this civilisation. Eh.
Anyway, other female rulers I'd like to see:
*Vietnam with Truong Sisters (national heroines of Vietnam, two rebellious sisters generals riding elephants - such dual leader would be also super unique!) or Lady Trieu (another national heroine of Vietnam, also rebel general fighting Chinese hegemony)
*Persia had surprisingly many female generals, leaders and heroines before rise of Islam (my favourite is Pantea Arteshbod, and not just because her name screams 'badass')
*Nzinga Mbande, queen of Kongo (well, to be exact, one of neighbors of Kingdom of Kongo) and famous brave opposition to the Portuguese colonial domination
*Ya Asanteewa of Ashanti Kingdom (which would be pretty worthy addition to civilisations roster)
*Amanishakheto of Nubia (next worthy civilisation btw)
*Nefertete or Hatshepsut of Egypt (Cleopatra is extremely overrated by history, also female rulers of Egypt would be more interesting than Ramesses again)
*Roxolana as Ottoman leader would be controversial as hell as she was adviser and second in rule, not actual ruler, but I would be okay with it because she was very cool and she'd be much more interesting than Suleiman who always rules every ottoman/turkish civ in any civ game ever. Besides, civ already did such weird or much weirder choices for civ leaders (Theodora, consort, for Byzantium, semi-legendary Dido for Carthago instead of obvious Hannibal, and especially Maria 'ruled shortly and terribly' of Portugal who was very visible chosen just because BNW add-on 'needed' at least one token woman ruler) so...
*Joanna d'Arc would be controversial as French ruler too, as she never ruler the country, but I'd gladly welcome her - one of my favourite historical leaders, very unique person and pretty significant one. She'd be much more interesting than Napoleon who we will probably get (so France will end up as militaristic civilisation anyway).
Also, maybe her military operations were far smaller than Napoleon's campaigns, but in the end she succeeded in restoring French morale and them winning terrible war, while in the end Napoleon completely ruined France and brought its rivals to power over Europe
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Other than that, I'd gladly welcome old friends:
*Elisabeth of England (alternatively, Victoria would be cool too)
*Catherine of Russia (my favourite civ5 AI leader and personality, very distinctive person)
*Isabel of Spain
*Wu Zetian of China
*Theodora of Byzantium
Not Dido and Boudicca because while they were interesting personalities, they were a bit too... ahistorical to serve as great leaders examples after all (Dido - mythology, Boudicca - spontaneous rebellion ended in a devastating defeat). Maria of Portugal was bad case too.
j51
Blue Star Cadet
Good picks! See, there's no reason that can't include couples on a single screen to represent times when people ruled together. I keep harping on it, but I hope they do that.
Hey hey, I can also take it on your guy! I mean, pigs were basically confirmed already on one of those screenshots!
Civciv5
Grand Emperor
I'd like to see Hatshepsut and Wu Zetian again. Also Tribhuwana for Indonesia.
Khri ma lod for Tibet would be very cool or perhaps Atototzli for the Aztecs (who might even have been Tlatoani herself).
Khri ma lod for Tibet would be very cool or perhaps Atototzli for the Aztecs (who might even have been Tlatoani herself).
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Isabella of Spain - She founded our nation!
Elizabeth from England - Yet another female nation builder
Catherine the Great - She wasn't named "the great" for nothing
Hasheput of Egypt - Far more relevant and a far better ruler than Cleopatra
The Trung sisters of Vietnam - National heroines, they could be one of the most original Civ rulers to date
Dido from Carthage - Half mythical goddess, half Queen, 101% baddass
Ya Asanteewa of the Ashanti Empire - Because she was a quite wise ruler and because the Ashanti are one of the most insanely cool African civs ever, far more worthy of the Civ rooster than the Zulu ever were
Elizabeth from England - Yet another female nation builder
Catherine the Great - She wasn't named "the great" for nothing
Hasheput of Egypt - Far more relevant and a far better ruler than Cleopatra
The Trung sisters of Vietnam - National heroines, they could be one of the most original Civ rulers to date
Dido from Carthage - Half mythical goddess, half Queen, 101% baddass
Ya Asanteewa of the Ashanti Empire - Because she was a quite wise ruler and because the Ashanti are one of the most insanely cool African civs ever, far more worthy of the Civ rooster than the Zulu ever were
She'd be much more interesting than Napoleon who we will probably get (so France will end up as militaristic civilisation anyway).
Also, maybe her military operations were far smaller than Napoleon's campaigns, but in the end she succeeded in restoring French morale and them winning terrible war, while in the end Napoleon completely ruined France and brought its rivals to power over Europe
I actually think we are getting Louis XIV for France. I think he is the wonder addict that Ed Beach was referring to. That goes on the guess that it is indeed the turn of Hatshepsut for Egypt.
As I said in another thread, Catherine for Russia is an obvious choice. We all know they are going to try and include as many female leaders as they reasonably can, and Catherine is one of the few who, from what I've seen, has been widely accepted as a decent choice for Russia.
Let's be real, the choices for female leaders are limited, and I don't see them adding someone like Peter and then trying to force in another Maria or whatever elsewhere.
Let's be real, the choices for female leaders are limited, and I don't see them adding someone like Peter and then trying to force in another Maria or whatever elsewhere.
sugerdady87
Warlord
Dido was never actually a ruler of the Carthaginians state, so I would rule her out of being in the game. There's no way Theodora should replace rulers of Eastern Rome like Constantine and Justinian II, so I vote to omit her as well.
Teproc
King
Dido is semi-mythical, but as far as she existed she most certainly was a ruler. The main thing here is that there's no better alternative for Carthage : yes Hannibal, but he wasn't a ruler at all, just a (great) general. Given that, the tiebreaker of Dido being a woman makes sense.
Theodora I'm slightly more bothered by... having her and Justinian be co-leaders could be a fun twist : both are very well-known, having a power couple as a leader would be a nice novelty.
awesome
Meme Lord
Maybe Teresa would be better for Portugal? Also, Aliquippa would work for Iroquois.
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