Expansion Civilizations

There were two polls about this. Of the polled civs, here is the result:

Emperor_Gog said:

Chief Sitting Bull of the Apache Tribe (if we lived in 1876 then this would surely stir the crowd into a fenzy).

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Not sure if someone already made this correction but....

Sitting Bull was not an Apache, he was a Hunkpapa Lakota. The geographic differences alone of the tribal locations of the Lakota and Apache do not forgive such a grave error. Furthermore, Im not exactly sure how you draw comparison between Sitting Bull and individuals like Hitler and Hanibal. This is like night and day.

I realize this is Civilization and thus the need for empires of old. Those are already filled in though so I'd like to see an expansion featuring some younger countries.

First off, all G8 countries(Since Russia, France, The United States, Germany and Japan are already in that leaves Canada, Italy and The United Kingdoms if they're not lumped in as "English") should be included due to their contribution in the past century. It could also make for an interesting national wonder in which these countries are allowed to host the summit every now and then.

Of course other younger countries would be included who have made a mark in history. I'm not adverse to still featuring older civilizations though, I think The Ottoman Empire is overdue to be featured among some others.

I realize that this is gonna come under attack for mentioning Italy and Canada(Though by the looks of these forums, primarily for mentioning Canada). I'm not quite sure where this sentiment is appearing from but it's overlooking key historical events.

Militaristally, Canada had one of the largest navies in the world during WWI and won many decisive battles on land during both WW's. Canada had the number one pilot(Billy Bishop although his kills are up for debate my historians) for the allies, scarcely shy of Manfred Von Richtofen who met his demise by... A Canadian. Also, Canada had one of the four main armies attacking Dieppe(Two American squads, One British, One Canadian) as they liberated what's now known as Juno beach.

Economically, Canada is one of the world's leaders.

Industrially, well this goes back to the G8(Or G7 in this case), one of the first 7 nations to be industrialized.

Historically, Canadian Lester B. Pearson was a leader in the concept of peacekeeping. This could make for an interesting advancement as well as a peacekeeping unit which I'm sure could have some very cool stats if someone thought on that one.

So as you can see, there is a uniqueness to this particuliar country, it just lacks the Hollywood fever that America recieves.

Anyway, my main idea was a 'younger Civilizations' pack but I've spent most of my time defending the idea of one country being included because I realize the kick-back it's going to recieve from those who know nothing but that of maple leafs and snow.

I'm too tired to debate Canada.

So i'll sum it up. It doesn't have enough culture points, to be considered a proper civilization yet. I wouldn't care if it was in the game, but i always viewed it as a Hippie American. No offense.

Xineoph said:

I'm too tired to debate Canada.

So i'll sum it up. It doesn't have enough culture points, to be considered a proper civilization yet. I wouldn't care if it was in the game, but i always viewed it as a Hippie American. No offense.

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None taken, but would this view apply for my idea of a set that included younger civilizations? I would think some people would be interested with an injection of some 'young blood' into the game. Of course featuring a pack of Civs around the age of America may not seem to depict the historical aspects of Civilization as much but we already have plenty of ancient civs to hold-up the idea of this being a game based on history.

I think having a game where one could see the world in a WWII type era would be interesting. It would also allow for some interesting scenarios to be created which featured some modern history(Was that an oxymoron?).

Having Canada in WW2 & WW1 scenario would be more or less a must....but whether it should be independent of Britain in military affairs is something else.

Luv_Muffin said:

Madagascar, Indonesia, Luxembourg and Martians*. Definately the martians.

*Don't let them fool you, we are being watched as I type this... eeek!
DISREGARD THIS POST, SILLY HUMANS. YOUR PLANET IS BELONG TO US.

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martians!!! and the uu could be the martian manhunter.

They should add the Greco-Roman Religion

leftisthominid said:

They should add the Greco-Roman Religion

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See "Polytheism". Isn't really like a real world religion, more like the Polytheism tech, your people are starting to believe in multiple gods and developing.

I'm new here and I want to say something about this.

Civilization Expansion...

1. Babylon/Assyria leader:Nebukadnessar / Assyrpasirpal agg/cul UU: bowmen / Heavy Chariot

2. from Africa... Ethiopia/Abessinia Leader: Lalibela spi/ind UU: Nubian guard (axemen)

3. from America... some native group. I suppose at it's best to take Algonquin because these native tribes live from Rocky Mountains to Delaware. They were also ancient Canadians and It's better to take this than Canada.
Leader: Powhatan spi/org UU: brave (warrior)

4. mayas of course... Leader: Pakal II spi/exp UU: eagle archer (archer)

5. Turks Leader: Suleiman agg/org UU: janissary (pikemen)

6. from asia... Koreans Leader: Eulji Mundeok agg/phi UU: hwarang (longbowmen)

7. from eurore... Sweden Leader: Gustav II Adolf agg/org UU: hakkapelita (cavalry)

8. Celts... Leader: Brennus agg/fin UU: woad warrior (axemen)

9. Israel... Leader: Herodes fin/ind UU: slinger (archer)

There is also some strange things about units... Immortals are horsemen??? before invention of horseback riding??? In ancient drawnings they were combined spearmen and archers...

Cannon earlier time... Earliest cannons were invented before muskets!

Grenadiers throws granades? Grenadiers were elite musketmen. How funny and strange...

Is this Herod who is being suggested the Idumean who built Herod's temple? He wasn't even a Hebrew. He was so bad that he had lots of the leaders killed when he died so there would be mourning in Jerusalem at the time. Great leader! Sid will be sure to include Herod, I'm sure.

harha said:

I'm new here and I want to say something about this.

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3. from America... some native group. I suppose at it's best to take Algonquin because these native tribes live from Rocky Mountains to Delaware. They were also ancient Canadians and It's better to take this than Canada.
Leader: Powhatan spi/org UU: brave (warrior)

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1. I disagree with grouping diverse tribes simply united by a language path such as the Micmac, Blackfoot and Powhatan together. Thats like saying we should go ahead and group up the Spanish, Italians, and French because they are Romance languages, who cares if they are completely different people. Just because the Blackfoot or Powhatan didnt have distinctive "countries" in the European sense of the word, doesnt mean they should just be grouped. Each of these tribes has its own distinct culture, history and leadership. Many of these tribes actually more closely resembled other geographically linked tribes, then their language linked tribes. For instance the Cheyenne and Blackfoot, most commonly resembled the Sioux, not the wigwam or lodge building language relations on the east coast or in the great lakes.

2. Why would you use Chief Powhatan as the leader? There are so many more far more influential people that hail from the Algonquin language family. Just a small list

Little Turtle- Miami, Chief Pontiac- Ottawa, Chief Black Hawk- Sauk, Morning Star- Cheyenne

3. The comment about "ancient Canadians" is false. They never willingly chose to be "Canadian". They are no more ancient "Canadians" then Aztecs are ancient Mexicans, or the Aboriginals are ancient Australians. European establishment of "countries", or fictional cultural borders is a completely separate entity from tribes.

Xineoph said:

So what civs do you think will make the cut at the end?

Babylonians, Vikings and Ottomans definitely...

but i believe now with the advent of religion it puts much greater pressure to put the Hebrews/Israelis in the game, so i think we will see them as well.

What others do you think?

Although personally i'd love to see the Khmer, Axumites/Ethiopians and Khazars...i doubt it will happen. =)

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I sure hope they don't add a 'vikings' civilization in this game! That would be a real step down in the quality of their research xD.

As someone else mentioned 'Scandinavian' would be better if you want vikings, though giving you a choice between Sweden, Denmark, Norway or Iceland would be better yet! (Those four countries are where vikings came from after all . I should know, I live in one of them xD.)

@ Swinter Welcome to CFC

I agree, Scandinavian would be a better description, but the important thing is to get an early ampibous unit to have some interesting tactics. I am so looking forward to the Civ 4 Berserker.

Well, if it's accuracy you want 'Berserker' (the concept of Civ-unit size berserker formations is absurd) should be scrapped either in favour of the hersir or, better yet, the longship - 'drakkar' if you want to be theatrical about it.

Eternalsteelfan said:

See "Polytheism". Isn't really like a real world religion, more like the Polytheism tech, your people are starting to believe in multiple gods and developing.

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The Greco-Roman Religion was a real religion, it was the majority religion of the empire even after the Christians took control. The only reason it fell was because Theodosius I made it illegal

They should add Yemen... they were super cool. Mabey with Salean as a leader or something...

Also, Korea- Empress Min

Spain- Carlos I

and Siam with any leader, I can't think of any...

Indo-Europeans should be added.
Somehow.
Obviously, there would be alot of creative liberty haha
Other than that, my vote goes to thracians, celts, babylonians, and dutch

Human Map said:

and Siam with any leader, I can't think of any...

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Yul Brynner?

kimjoo88 said:

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The great kingdom of Poland which defeated the Teutonic Knights

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Are you kidding?
It's not ridiculous, Lithuanian Grand Duchy, led by Vytautas the Great, did that, not Polish