PeterGrimes said:
<Personal weekend talk
Civ IV ... wonder just how much upgrading activity is happening
sixpackholiday: heh. you got your copy...cIV
fe3333au: not yet ... 4th Nov ... and I have a horrible suspicion that my cpmputer will require updating
sixpackholiday: me too...
fe3333au: I wonder how many people it will affect
sixpackholiday: quite a few from what i hear
fe3333au: better be worth it
sixpackholiday: funny 4 a turn based strat game to draw so much graph power ... nice film clips i suspect
fe3333au: yes .. I'm glad you can turn it down to a single unit ... those multi-ones give me the ****s
fe3333au: Leaders look like puppets with big heads
sixpackholiday: i like the baby heads
Any Word from TNT?
sixpackholiday: any word from overseas?
fe3333au: not yet TNT wise ... although I am just checking in ... was with <private> weekend
What about KISS concerns with Nuts giving TNT everything to stay alive?
fe3333au: However ... anything from your discussion about the scenario of Nuts caving in and giving TNT everything to stay alive?
sixpackholiday: only positive reactions so far ... i'm considered evil
fe3333au: positive as in ... it is an acceptible risk?
sixpackholiday: Skippy instantly gave me a honorary PhD in the Academy for being so nasty
fe3333au: lol lol lol lol
sixpackholiday: liked the possibility of whacking them as soon as they get their city ... the risk is they establish when having cities left, lying about being totally wasted ...
Map Trading
sixpackholiday: if we have maps i guess we can demand their TM befor gifting anything
fe3333au: Longtime for maps ... Navigation ...
sixpackholiday: oh, is it navi...bad
fe3333au: yes Navi
B]Embassies ... playing ignorant[/B]
sixpackholiday: have u thought of embassies?
fe3333au: I have ... not sure if team has ... can we establish them?
sixpackholiday: w writing we can
Nuts silent
fe3333au: I am not sure if Duts have contacted us yet ... have you spoken to them?
sixpackholiday: nope
fe3333au: Has anyone from KISS tried to contact them to get an update?
sixpackholiday: not that i know ... we're kinda waiting on them to trade w you guys
fe3333au: Yes ... I am going to suggest a letter be sent ... expressing frustration and confusion with their lack of contact ... personally I would say to you ... all deals off with us ... because they are rude
sixpackholiday: i understand ... you think team agrees?
fe3333au: Not sure ... but some are getting pissed off .. ultimately it would be Emps and Prez decision I guess ...
One team to puppetmaster each
sixpackholiday: we could do 1 each and send screenies of their respective capital...
When in doubt ask Administrators
fe3333au: Only with Maps can we send that info
sixpackholiday: u sure about that? We don't share territory info. just something that comes w a tech we have ie writing
sixpackholiday: we could skip the screenie of course and just share in writing
fe3333au: Re- Screenshots ... I think I am right ... but I would ask RM or other mod (forgot name) to say yes or no
sixpackholiday: if it's risky rule wise we must do that
fe3333au: yes
:blush sorry GA
Back to KISSNut Agreement
fe3333au: We are all agreed that you not giving them Republic is important ... I would suggest that maybe ... if you continue the deal and get HBR from them and then say deal off because they don't return your calls is important
sixpackholiday: i don't think anyone is into breaking a deal so we have to think the Nuts approach over again ... they did get too much and we want something back of course
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: they may be dead before rep
Proposed letter for MIA to consider
fe3333au: I will propose to my team the following ... Hey Nuts what is the problem ... Do you want Masonry or what? ... We can see that you are in big trouble ... We are willing to trade ... We can see that you cannot get it from TNT ... and we know KISS don't have it ... so what is the problem ... do you want it or not ... if you don't reply ... get ****ed ... END
sixpackholiday: yeah, straight fwd lol
fe3333au: only way with those pinheads
sixpackholiday: add "do reply and you will be ****ed later"
fe3333au: he he he ... but we will **** you gently
Big Picture from KISS perspective
sixpackholiday: our continent is leaving them both behind. Check the scre graph. I think we're about 20 points ahead now
fe3333au: Most from you ... noticed that with VP's ... everyone jumped by 6 ... but KISS +8
sixpackholiday: yes, but MIA is doing fine too
fe3333au: not bad
sixpackholiday: basic sense. avoid war and invest in infra. pays off big time ... but they don't seem so smart ... surprisingly
fe3333au: I have never seen Civ as a war game
sixpackholiday: a lot of good players in both teams
fe3333au: yes
TNT Musing
fe3333au: I think TNT are led by a war faction
sixpackholiday: but they suck a giant one in diplo
fe3333au: Nuts just happened to be unlucky with placement ... it could have been either of us
sixpackholiday: but going straight to war like TNT makes them so predictable
fe3333au: yes ... boring
sixpackholiday: we both know they are going to bully around and they should know they can't manage a 2-1 ... they will likely approach you for support later on ... saying you're only chans to win is teaming up w them ... cause we will prolly be bigger that you...
fe3333au: out of us both ... I suspect that too ... KISS has been not well liked by TNT in UN debates... We did well to stay out of most of that stupidity
sixpackholiday: yes you did ... it is also about getting people where you want them
No Diplomacy possible beginning of turn 53
fe3333au: OK just checked we didn't have TNT leaderhead visible on screen at the beginning of turn 53 ... so I do not know if we have contacted them yet ... maybe a letter was sent ... Classical Hero wanted to be TNT diplomat
Paranaoia or Unease about our reaction to KISS growth
sixpackholiday: thinking about celts growing a lot
fe3333au: us?
sixpackholiday: we are growing fast, KISS
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: it will come a day when part of MIA feels we are a threat just because we're big ... can u sense that?
fe3333au: possibly ... but I believe in words having honour attached ... do you agree?
sixpackholiday: yeah ... absolutely ... i'm just trying to step into your shoes
Non-Agressive Game Win
fe3333au: I am hoping ... but only time will tell ... that we can prove to the community that games can be won using non-agreesive tactics
sixpackholiday: we are 100% set on a grand finale btw the two of us ... that would be so cool
fe3333au: whatever happens I am very sure it will be us vs. you
sixpackholiday: i like the idea of winning w/o starting any wars
fe3333au: me too
Military Heads will be Happy Soon
fe3333au: and we will all be getting a taste or cut and thrust when we have to deal with TNT
sixpackholiday: but we have some terrible warriors in our ranks. i think they want to be let loose eventually
fe3333au: exactly ... I hope it will be with TNT
sixpackholiday: most likely
fe3333au: We too have military types ... and good ones
sixpackholiday: sure you have. we will make a nice combo
fe3333au: yes
Diplos will also have Fun with TNT
fe3333au: I look forward to sending letters to them as they are being crushed by armies of Green
sixpackholiday: it will be loads o fun ... i'm looking fwd to saying nothing at all ... TNT hasn't even responded to our initial greeting
fe3333au: No, rubbing it in with Dear Provo letters will be very entertaining ... or goading him in the UN thread
Thanks Daghie ... KISS is thinking agression will happen in Ancient Era
sixpackholiday: personally i can imaginge a combined attack ... w GS's for offense ... and Hoppies for pillageing
fe3333au: Nice scenario
sixpackholiday: if nuts don't give in TNT will be soooo down in tech they have not a snowball in hell we could have knight before they leave AA
Nice Thought ... But what about Nuts
fe3333au: IF ... so KISS will give TNT more tech? ... or is your deal to get all tech and then give Republic ???
sixpackholiday: ehh...what?
fe3333au: The deal that Nut and KISS have
sixpackholiday: we wont give anyone anything afaik
fe3333au: the one you want to break but need a reason
sixpackholiday: we dont give them nothing is what i say...
fe3333au: is that in return for Republic and Masonry ... Nuts will give HBR, Maths, Currancy ???
sixpackholiday: i don't follow ... or is that deal not signed and agree to yet?
Getting Confused
fe3333au: Do you have a deal at the moment with Nuts?
sixpackholiday: what i said was "if nuts dont give tnt the techs they have then tnt will be backwards"
fe3333au: yes I understand the TNT thing
sixpackholiday: we only have the one that we all thought was a bit generous
fe3333au: BUT atm does KISS and Nuts have an agreement to trade techs? ... so that deal is that KISS give Republic ... and Nuts give HBR, Maths, Currancy ... yes?
sixpackholiday: not changed at least not to my knowledge
fe3333au: Oh ... sorry I though that you had agreed to that deal with Nuts
sixpackholiday: ok ... stay cool pyro man lol
fe3333au: I will my friend
sixpackholiday: we're very satisfied w our partnership
Cross Discussion very confusing
fe3333au: So what I do not understand is why you need a reason to tell Nuts that they are on their own and you will not trade with them
sixpackholiday: i see no reason to jeapordize it when we're doing so good the both of us
fe3333au: Still confused ... What agreements do you have with Nuts
sixpackholiday: i guess i better go find the exact wording ... to avoid any misunderstandings
fe3333au: yes please ... my fault probably ... not enough coffee yet and too much <personal> sixpackholiday: a reason better than most ... not meaning the coffee
fe3333au:
sixpackholiday: ok, it's 0.40am here and i have to go get Z's. I'll make a reality check on current Nut standings and we talk later k?
fe3333au: no worries ... you could send it as PM or e-mail if you want
sixpackholiday: prolly will...nite
fe3333au: cya
sixpackholiday signed off at 11:07:53 AM.
General introductions
Now we introduce me as the "ambassador" to TNT.
fe3333au: Classical Hero is ambassor to TNT
classicalhero7: attemping to be
sixpackholiday: heh
classicalhero7: So far they have not replied to my Email
fe3333au: We were chatting and noticed you on-line
Now here is the real focus of the chat, Military
fe3333au: and thought lets all talk about military options
sixpackholiday: yeah lets
classicalhero7: I would say that both teams are unworthy
fe3333au: to exist?
classicalhero7: in all aspects
fe3333au: Have checked we will probably have MM in 11 turns
classicalhero7: excellent
fe3333au: KISS will then get in in 12 I guess
classicalhero7: I would say that since we are Scientific, we should try and get Chivalry ASAP as that would be a killerfor our teams
fe3333au: knights?
classicalhero7: yes
fe3333au: that's cool
sixpackholiday: if we decide to make a joint move overseas
fe3333au: yes?
sixpackholiday: i guess a good time is when we both have changed gov (for GA)
sixpackholiday: and before others have pikes
sixpackholiday: or maybe muskets
classicalhero7: Most definitely
sixpackholiday: if we trigger GA simultaneously and have Knights
classicalhero7: They will not stand a chance
sixpackholiday: prolly not
The Benefits of 1+1=3.
classicalhero7: it is good that our teams are working together compared to the fighting between the other continent
sixpackholiday: maybe i'm too optimistic...but they may not even leave AA before thy're ditched
sixpackholiday: we have a huge advantage in our partnership
fe3333au: very true ... shows mature approach
sixpackholiday: almost an insuance for being 1 of the 2 last standing
Generic TNT stuff. They are very confusing.
Some distrust. Possibly? This became a large part of the chat for some reason.
sixpackholiday: if we can work out how to "empty" our cont of military w/o being afraid to be stabbed, we will have enough troops
sixpackholiday: we should maybe have some sort of observers/escort
classicalhero7: so far both of our team have been honourble to all agreements
fe3333au: I trust that your word
sixpackholiday: yes and i'm 95% sure that will continue
fe3333au: continues to stay true
sixpackholiday: but we could cover for the last 5%
fe3333au: bad 5%
sixpackholiday: i think it's easily done
fe3333au: worst case scenario is that the deal breaking team gives 10 turns notice
This continues for a while. This does get me and Fearus a bit confused in our private chat that we had at the time
Now we talk about Provolution, guess what we said.
Nothing new is talked here. I had to edit out AAK, because he was only there for a few minutes.
classicalhero on-line so we begin in new venue
<hello's and frivolous banter>
bawhomp: so what do you think about what i said?
fe3333au: k back to business
classicalhero7: yes, it is better to talk busines
fe3333au: We are discussing the various options we have to trade with Nuts ... from the pov from NUts and also which techs we are willing to let TNT get if Nuts give all techs away to live
bawhomp: they say it's just the opposite
TNT still mute ?
classicalhero7: I would like to know what KISS have been able to do with TNT
bawhomp: zero ... nada ... zippo
fe3333au: isolationist probably
bawhomp: GLib
fe3333au: They don't have writing yet
bawhomp: pre build
classicalhero7: I really see know need for the Great Library
fe3333au: TNT getting Glibrary
bawhomp: they are going despotic GA and mining hills in despot ... and not talking to anyone
bawhomp: we tried twice
classicalhero7: I have sent TNT an email and I have PMed Vbraun
bawhomp: they are hush hush
fe3333au: This may help
Techs we have that they don't
>The Wheel
>Warrior Code
>Ceremonial Burial ... Mysticism
>Writing ... Philosophy ... Code of Laws
Techs we both have
>Bronze Working ... Iron Working
>Alphabet
>Masonry
>Pottery
So they are not going for a specific Government
bawhomp: so they go writing lit...finish Glib and voila...all techs
classicalhero7: It seems they are playing very despotic
Trading Options
fe3333au: So if we do get them to talk ... and offer trade? ... Do we swap Writing to them?
bawhomp: for why?
fe3333au: or do we agree to attack the city that is building the Greatwonder
bawhomp: we attack both of them ... they'll both be gassed
Lets talk War
classicalhero7: so offically, does KISS want to remove both TNT an NUTs?
bawhomp: officially or whomp?
classicalhero7: Is that the rumblings of the whole team or so far just a few players
fe3333au: both
bawhomp: I think everyone's fed up with tnt ... donuts we don't really know ... but might as well hit a weakling when they're down.
fe3333au: You know thay are willing to form alligences with your preceived enemies ... behind your back
classicalhero7: The way I see it is that if we eliminate just TNT then it will mean that NUTs will be the big benefactors of this arrangement
fe3333au: Yes we should attack both
bawhomp: yep
fe3333au: Bigger force for TNT ... mopup force for Nuts
bawhomp: republic, 10 boats, 8 hops, 12 swords our 8 spears and 12 GS. ... pound
fe3333au: I can't wait to see war ... as peaceful player ... i will learn much
classicalhero7: war is so much fun
bawhomp: I think we'd like a monster SOD landing in front of TNT.
Daghie Paranoia
fe3333au: Daghie was saying he wants observers to ensure that we are both honouring committment ... I see this as waste of resource
bawhomp: I think once galleys are in place we should scope out the neighborhood
Rule Discussion
bawhomp: What are the rules on F4 prints?
fe3333au: Rules ... Screenshots wouyld be same a minimaps ... therefore Nav required
classicalhero7: I think it would be disallowed
bawhomp: classical in the isdg the discussion was to have 2 or 3 no offensives as a ROP
Back to initial Discussion Topic ... Nut Trade
fe3333au: So I guess what you are saying is that KISS will not deal Republic with Nuts because it is a very crucial technology ... yes?
bawhomp: they tried to backdoor us...blank them!
fe3333au: So any dealing with Nuts would come from MIA ... ie we may trade Masonry onto them for HBR and cash ... play very very hardball ... then pass HBR to KISS
bawhomp: the only benefit of doing a deal with them is we gain their techs.
fe3333au: we as GREENS
bawhomp: and they don't get republic...a long research cycle
fe3333au: yes
classicalhero7: I really so no benefit from dealing with Nuts right now
bawhomp: so if we made a deal for maths and currency the only things left in the AA are construction and poly ... then it's pikes, bows and MI
classicalhero7: knights should be the way to go
Official Stand
fe3333au: so officially you will tell them to **** off ...
bawhomp: Yes Irongold cuz they were dealing with you. ... but honestly the best scenario is where you get 3 and they give 3 ... no republic
fe3333au: We will only trade them on our terms though ... sick of their condescending attitude
bawhomp: let them self research then ... or turn it off and cash upgrade and fight
fe3333au: So what KISS would like is that MIA pull their pride in ... and be seen as buddies with Nuts until the crunch time
bawhomp: ask them what they prefer ... FE if you don't want to do it that's fine.
fe3333au: just looking at the best sceanario for both our teams
bawhomp: best is them researching for both of us
Great Library Mechanics
fe3333au: Great Library only works if two other teams have the tech yes?
bawhomp: yep brb
fe3333au: so TNT getting GreatLib is not the end of the world ... by the time it is built it will be curtains for them ... we should time our strike to correspond to TNT being unwilling to lose mega shields when we attack ... they will have one less city to produce military unts
Masonry the Key
bawhomp: here's another thing...masonry is the key
bawhomp: and here's why
classicalhero7: Granaries
bawhomp: nope ... negotiating tool
fe3333au: Walls
classicalhero7: That is pottery, Idiot
bawhomp: no we're idiots that's moron
classicalhero7: lol
fe3333au: yeah idiot ... see Whomp your meme is spreading LOL
No Trade option
bawhomp: k so here's another idea ... you don't trade with them.
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: and we can't get masonry cuz you think we're dealing with them
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: so we tell them to research the same as you ... two things happen
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: they waste their time and those two techs get cheaper to research if they finish first ... or they make the deal you want and we get 3 extra techs
fe3333au: I'd prefer to use them to research for us
bawhomp: me too ... and then they still have to research a govt
fe3333au: I think that TNT will not stop until Nuts are RIP ... agreed?
Nut prespective on War
bawhomp: according to donut they got em by the balls
fe3333au: big revealing statemnet for the Nuts
bawhomp: enough MW's will kill immortals any day
fe3333au: or are Nuts saying they got PWE by his balls
bawhomp: I didn't teach them that...it's our secret
Nut City Lost???
fe3333au: oh I see ... but havn't Nuts lost a city?
bawhomp: earlier right? ... not by immortal
fe3333au: two/three turns ago
bawhomp: by warrior ... according to what?
fe3333au: Daghie said ... it was from F-11
bawhomp: doesn't sound right ... they would be #1 in mfd goods and they are not
fe3333au: Area of control maybe
bawhomp: if tnt hit with immortals they'd be #1 in mfd goods because of the GA. ... mfd goods is uncorrupted shields which increase during a GA.
fe3333au: Can't find refernece still looking ... but recall Dags saying he thinks that recently Nuts lost a city ... so if happened probably warrior
bawhomp: couldn't now ... no the city was lost with the worker when they got backstabbed at the beginning
fe3333au: k ... my mistake
bawhomp: they may be pop rushing though ... watch F11 over the next 10 turns. when we are 3 and 4 in mfd goods the war is full blown
fe3333au: Here we are ... reason I think that another city lost
Found Source
fe3333au: sixpackholiday: no hints, just me guessing ... and the latest power curve. I may be wrong but i think TNT has whacked a Nut city
bawhomp: could be possible ... then they are stupid for not asking for help
fe3333au: we were discussing dags concerns that Nuts would cave in and give all techs to TNT ... But if Tubby and you didn't pick it up ... then probably not tru
bawhomp: they would show more deperation methinks.
fe3333au: never have they in all our dealings
bawhomp: their score has slowed but that could be attributed to a bunch of things
fe3333au: don't know ... bit confused now ... So do you think they will be matching TNT oe even bettering them?
bawhomp: I think once they put MW's on the battlefield TNT is screwed.
fe3333au: TNT are the top world population ... does that support the Nut losing city argument?
bawhomp: nope ... They are not the top pop btw ... you have more TNT intel than us ... we have only just met them
bawhomp: all F11
fe3333au: top according to our F-11
classicalhero7: as they are a shut shop
bawhomp: no we are #1
fe3333au: you would have had big pop jump this turn then ... our f-11 says they are 29 %world pop ... area KISS is top
bawhomp: how do you see what their pop is?
fe3333au: F-8 Victory Screen Status
bawhomp: I should look at the save cuz that is not how i'm reading it.
fe3333au: Has dags not mentioned it?
bawhomp: he may have looked the turn before me. ... brb ... i'll look at the save real quick ok?
fe3333au: k
Whomp Back ... TNT may be in GA
classicalhero7: have you had a look?
bawhomp: It is likely that TNT is in a GA ... if the f11 doesn't change the next two turns we will establish an embassy
bawhomp: then we'll know for sure
classicalhero7: it is important to know what we wil be facing ... That way we can know if they have just warriors or Immortals
bawhomp: if we are #2 in mfd good or #3 next two turns then they are both in a GA. ... We are #2 now
classicalhero7: So do both teams have access to both techs and Resource for there UU's then?
bawhomp: It seems with Rik's map everything is pretty available
classicalhero7: Too available
Nut have HBR
fe3333au: Nuts still need to complete HBR ...
bawhomp: do they have hbr?
classicalhero7: I do not hink they do
fe3333au: I can only surmise not yet ... because they are not madly trying to grab Masonry from us or you (they think we traded with you remember) ... but not many turns to go
classicalhero7: I'll have a look at the latest Nut chat
fe3333au: and I will argue that we play hardball with them ... and that they waste at least 1 turn in research ... But not my decision
bawhomp: i think tnt may have got em once
fe3333au: ie. to get to GA?
classicalhero7: They apparently have HBR
fe3333au: Nuts?
classicalhero7: yes, from the chat it appears so, unless they are wanting to trade for it without having it
fe3333au: Re: HBR ... I am not convinced ... but we shall see when and if they trade with us for Masonry
classicalhero7: My info is from the chat and from that it seems that they have it
bawhomp: i think they were right there on research IIRC
We Love the King may be indicator of GA ...NO
fe3333au: Question can visitors see fireworks above a city in celbration?
classicalhero7: yes
fe3333au: OK ... so if we see fireworks in TNT or Nut cities ... good indication that GA ... is that logical (or am I confusing things)
classicalhero7: not quite because fireworks will only tell if a city is in WLTK mode
bawhomp: yep
fe3333au: what triggers WLTK days
bawhomp: only way for WLTK is a victory ... GA
classicalhero7: WLTK is triggered by having no unhappy citizens and at least equal # of happy citizens to content
bawhomp: did you see WLTK?
fe3333au: no ... just thinking
bawhomp: oh ... pretty hard to get early game without luxs
fe3333au: but will keep eyes peeled
classicalhero7: I do not think that any team would be able to have WLTK ... ATM
fe3333au: yes you are correct
Embassy Talk
classicalhero7: We will only be able to tell if they are in GA is by having an embassy with the two nations
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: let's wait a turn or two ... let's see if we drop to #3 ... couple turns
<Refugee discussion>
<Discussion of MTDG for IV ... same teams>
fe3333au: Civ4 ... I like MIA ... but I'm not against being assigned to another team ... I like RNG ... don't tell Mel
bawhomp: i know but same teams?
fe3333au: I will play and have fun either way
classicalhero7: I would prefer to be placed acording o the will of Mellet ... Meleet
fe3333au: good point Classical ... It was a moment of random weakness
classicalhero7: LOL
CivAnon Site
fe3333au: http://www.civanon.org/ a site that could help us all
Skippyshutt has entered the room.
More Info from KISS about those crazy war mongers
bawhomp: whoa we caught a donut warrior on the coast!! ... ready to pop barbs!
Skippyshutt: which coast?
bawhomp: tnt ...
Skippyshutt: are u sure, the satelite imagery isn't up to the usual standards?
bawhomp: bugsy played the save
Skippyshutt: tnt isn't dead? ... bugs is slipping
Both in GA ???!!!
bawhomp: they may be in a GA btw
Skippyshutt: they should be if they used IM against the nuts
bawhomp: they both i think ... we dropped in mfd good to #3
Confirmed
bawhomp: it's done!
Skippyshutt: what's done? the deal?
bawhomp: they are beating the crap out of each other!
classicalhero7: If they both are in a GA then it would just mean that both teams will just cause greater pain to each other and we should not be worried at all
bawhomp: GA for both ... it's despotic too!!
Skippyshutt: he he ho ho ha ha. and idiotic
classicalhero7: it is waisted
fe3333au: Yeah ... party
Skippyshutt: toga
fe3333au: Go the GREEN
Skippyshutt: hoplites hopping along ... or is MIA the greeks? ... and nuts the MW?
bawhomp: go green ... simple
classicalhero7: We have the best defense
bawhomp: yep
Skippyshutt: so nuts are the MW?
classicalhero7: Only TNT have a better offence ... We do not need a resource for our UU and that is good when we get to the other continent
bawhomp: TNT has the worst offense
Skippyshutt: tnt is the most offensive
classicalhero7: Don't they have Immortals as there UU?
bawhomp: I'll take MW's any day
classicalhero7: Speed is very good
bawhomp: They can stand away from a Immortal attack
I'm not sure how much we should trust the those idiot shamans.
I agree.Chamnix said:
Turn 56 Prez's Report
fe3333au: Hey Whomp ... I have just viewed our last save ... and we have found a barb near your city of SKWTD
bawhomp: He moved this turn to the mountain.
KISS' Coastal explorer
fe3333au: Question you have a warior heading down the western coast ... is he exploring down the coast?
Again Fishing
fe3333au: is your warrior going to travel along the coast? ... or is he establishing a secure city site?
bawhomp: No I sent him NW. ... Trying to draw the barb to the desert but no dice
fe3333au: Reason we have very early found a goody hut way down south on the western coast ... we claim it ... but havn't got anyone near it
Mutual Back Rubbing
fe3333au: Was thinking if we handle that barbarian
bawhomp: Be careful now that he's on a mountain
fe3333au: OK ... it would be a defence decision anyway ... but I'd like to wipe some barbs ... I assume you do also
bawhomp: Yeah there are two nearby
fe3333au: OK ... maybe if we move and they attack would be better option ... we can move onto mountain as well
bawhomp: Yeah you don't want to attack him with a defend of 2
fe3333au: at very least we can lure him away ... our warrior (forgot his name) has danced with barbs before
bawhomp: I noticed.
fe3333au: so I'll talk to our military people and see what can be done ... or have you got a celtic warrior ready and would prefer him to get practice ... barbs are good to get experience up
bawhomp: yes they are
So Celtic Warriors
bawhomp: My guy is luring the other one
fe3333au: so if we get it to attack us ... that would be ok with you?
Your Territory ... Your Rules
fe3333au: we can easily give it a wide birth if you prefer
bawhomp: No I think it would be fine ... I'm chasing another one ... If you go around that would be fine too but if he attacks ... he attacks. What can you do?
MIA have units around ... But friendly Rubbernecks
fe3333au: k ... I have also been instructed to tell you that we are just looking around ... innocent tourist ... but you can tell us no go areas if you want ... within reason
bawhomp: I saw the curragh
fe3333au: Yeah we were waving
bawhomp: What can you do ... avoid by sinking?
fe3333au: exactly ... LOL atm you couldn't do anything anyway ... don't think curraghs can attack
Tech Research Update
fe3333au: which reminds me MM is in 10ish turns
bawhomp: cool
fe3333au: so we'll work something out which will hopefully shade our relationship from the others ... at some stage it will be revealed and then we won't have to sculk about anymore
Musings about the others
bawhomp: We may need to tell them we have a deal for republic at some point ... I wish we could get them to trade some techs first
fe3333au: We are open ... it is them who are stuffing this up ... too busy trying to be uber puppeteers ... as you mentioned earlier ... maybe TNT is an option but I am very very wary with any dealings b/w us and any of the others ... even just with us sharing we will out tech them ... so no worries there
Option for KISS ??
fe3333au: We could get Masonry to you and you get HBR?
bawhomp: maybe we need to tell donut we can't do a deal since masonry is off the table
fe3333au: Yes ... TNT don't answer you
bawhomp: nope that's so weird.
Tired Whomp
bawhomp: I have to sleep! ... I will think on this tomorrow.
fe3333au: and we are stubbon ... maybe we are asking for cash .... and Nuts give you some cash to help you trade with us ... and we go halves
fe3333au: cya mate
bawhomp: ok we'll talk tomorrow on this ... night
bawhomp signed off at 4:00:11 PM.
... and we also both get HRB ... don't know was thinking about ways to exploit Nuts
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