WW2- the european front

sonderkammer: You missed one oil, which is under control of Italy. I think it's in the Bucharest area. Of course Bucharest isn't Italian territory. Germany probably wouldn't have gone to war with the USSR if they didn't have acess to the Ploesti oilfields, which might be what the Bucharest deposit is supposed to be. If that is supposed to be Ploesti, Ploesti was Romanian which the Germans were using. I don't think one could consider it Italian at all. When placing the resources, it may not seem important, but that one oil not being in German hands causes a major problem when playing the game. If Italy is stocked on about a par with Germany, which shouldn't be the case anyway, having that oil would make Italy the fascist power instead.

I learnt Paasky is redoing this scenario, could you give me the link?

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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=137154

He seems to have done a good bit of work on it... but progress has slowed.... It may have a lot of good pieces to incorporate into this scenario. Again, I suspect the upcoming SDK will re-ignite creative fires around here.

I downloaded this scenario, but for the life of me I don't see the map that goes with it, I am able to swtich over into the mod...but no map...lol I know i'm missing something where did I make a wrong turn?

alright, i just saw this post and am eager to try this scenario out.

Before i do, i love WW2, i like historical accuracy, but in Civ 4, i want light on the accuracy, heavy on the fun. If i was looking for hardcore WW2 what if scenarios to every exact effect, there's already a game out there, hearts of iron 2.

As for indivudal units, more important then the types of tanks(thoguh i do love variations) is the paper rock scissors tactic. Infantry shouldn't be bowled over by tanks. Yes in open fields, tanks were amazing against infantry, but when the infantry was entrenched, it was no easy task. I've been trying to figure out if i could possibly make a ww2 scenario. If i did, the units would look like this.

Infantry-huge bonus when defending rough terrain/cities/bonus vs anti tank guns.
Mechanized infantry-huge bonus vs infantry(by mechanized i mean the more mobile infantry divisions that were supported with light armor and armored transports, frequently what was used to help break cities).
Tanks-great vs mechanized infantry
Antitankguns-Great vs tanks


Artillery would stay the same effecivetly(great for stack damage and bombard but not to great on their own).

thats my opinion on how to more effectively represent units. I don't want tanks to be the 'howitzer' unit from civ 2, i want them to have weaknesses other then other tanks. WW2 might have been the first truly armored war, but infantry was still a huge part of almost every successful operation of the war.

feel free to make any changes to the scenario but re-posting your "new scenario "
here would be appreciated as help

I've made some minor changes
(specifically giving germany romania, free france algiers, vichy to the germans, and some other minor changes like roads for russia, british jerusalem and more oil)
when I bring my usb drive to school on monday, I can upload it. Its very minor changes, but its made it a little better and playable for me.
btw: I think the date system is a little off. I've invaded all of france with USA by august 1941. But its great someone actually made a working scenario of wwii. Its been long enough. Now we just all need to work at it and I think we can have a great mod and scenarios.

This scenaio is fine. It just can´t inspire me enough, (must be that it has no nukes or chariots/samurais ) the ww2 theme is boring, but I must admit that this scenario has been done great. Thx and good night.

Why havent this scenario been made in the the Desert war Mod!?
In that Mod all the ww2 units have been premade.
This would create a much bigger WWII feeling.
The scenario has been made very thural but neither me or my pc can cope with a huge map.
Any chance of seeing this scenario on a standard or small map?

Who is engaged in the script? New units will be?

PS: I apologize for my English

I have a suggestion to include this scenario into my mod.

The Panther was not a killer like the PzKw VII or the Josef Stalin II, but it
had a powerful 75mm, and had many innovations...If built primarily, it was
the one tank that was closest to a war-winning design for the 3rd Reich.

But as in all things, the Germans were doomed by their inability to match
the British, Russian and American manufacturing power, which produced
machines which were not in parity individually, but could be churned out
in terrifying numbers...

For example, the Allies replaced the losses of D-Day within only two weeks.
The Soviets reached Warsaw from Western Russia within the same timescale...

There is no way the Germans could have matched such production, even
with excellent war-machines like the Panther and Me262....Luckily for us.

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Hmm, I tested it and think that scenario is not finished. I found the following:
Improvements are not made anywhere except Britain
The same with cities; only capitals population made
Locations of some Soviet cities are wrong
Resources are not placed in the USSR

I may have a crack at creating my Dictator CIV2 scenario on CIV4...

The Scenario tool is not too hard to master...

Paasky is working on a much more indepth mod and scenario for WW2 Europe, it is in Beta at the moment:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=137154

This scenario is geographically and socially aweful
1. Britain is the worse shape ever, along with ireland
2. last time i looked carlisle was NOT in cornwall.
3. Derry is in the wrong place
4. Isle of man? what the hell. Its huge
5. you left out major cities of the war, mid europe and france are basically empty. Along with Italy.
6. What happened to East Anglia?
7. At the time of the war the UK has the worlds most powerful navy in the world, and what do i get, a few measely destroyers while my pal adolf starts of with 20 u boats in the channel.
8. granted america has to have a few cities, but c'mon
9. america has the largest army i've ever seen, enough tanks to circle the planet. Get it sorted out.
10. all the cities start off crap. Not even granaries or forges
11. what the hell happened to turkey?
12. Monaco? last time i looked they weren't a major player in the war. May i reccomend marseilles instead?
13. greece seriously needs changing
14. its nice to know our nordic friends of iceland are represented
15. American empire? little biased if you ask me

there are more. see if you can find them, this scenario needs some serious fixing. is the guy who made this american or something? because i cant think of any one else who has such a vast lack of european knowledge and american bias.

A little bit of history. The Germans had PK I's in production and use at the start (1939) of the war. They also took over the Czech production of an armored vehicle (number escapes me now) that was fast but lightly armored (although more than a match for the very poor PK I's). The German crews were superb in the beginning and then, later in the war, when the German tanks were better, the crews were NOT as well trained due to attrition. Thus, the early panzers would (historically) be numerically weaker (i.e. lower combat value) but have lots of experience. The later units would not have such bonuses, so I would highly recommend that the axis NOT be given the Agressive trait (if they have been).

As for the American army, well...it didn't exist. The US had to do a massive conscription and training system before they had deployable units. Sorry, but even though FDR was able to outfox the isolationists in instituting the draft before Dec. 7, 1941, he still could get congress to appropriate much money for equipment. Some the the poor bastards learning artillery were using logs! America should be seriously short on troops to start with.

As for Russian lack of resources, I suppose that is to force the allies to send some of theirs (thus the Germans could try to interrupt the convoys). Unfortunately, the game still does not lend itself to supply lines and such so I have no suggestion on how to deal with it.

When I made the pbem WWII CivIII game, I found that the best means of limiting the axis powers was by limiting their troop quantities via high maintenance cost per unit (giving very generous per-city support). Thus, the Germans had to attack and gain cities in order to support their burgeoning military (very historically accurate, btw).

I have not tried the scenario yet (sorry) but thought these comments might be of use.

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As for the American army, well...it didn't exist. The US had to do a massive conscription and training system before they had deployable units. Sorry, but even though FDR was able to outfox the isolationists in instituting the draft before Dec. 7, 1941, he still could get congress to appropriate much money for equipment. Some the the poor bastards learning artillery were using logs! America should be seriously short on troops to start with.

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Yes, I've seen some US 'training' films of men with a machine gun and the thing was just a wooden mockup, completely unable to fire. Those men trained by pivoting around as though they were firing. Quite hilarious and it gave Hitler fits of laughter when he saw it. Even worse was the US Army getting covered trucks and draping large clothes over them with the words "tank" on them. And people seem to think the US Army was fit and ready even before Pearl Harbor. Naw, it took quite a bit of revving up the ol' engine.

In response to those linking Christianity and Fascism together...

"Religion is a kind of mental disease."
-Benito Mussolini

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianty's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them."
-Adolf Hitler (July 11, 1941)

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society."
-Adolf Hitler (October 19, 1941)

of course the french arn't much of a problem, its world war two!

nazi colaborators .-. OUI OUI, WE SURRENDER!

Well you're joking but.....I feel I have to say....France had an army of 5 million and it was considered to be the most powerful in the world....but it was horribly outdated by the Germans and the Generals fought a WW1 style war..........