Name someone who you may not totally agree with, but whom you can admire anyway.

Heretic_Cata said:
Am i the only wierdo that ALSO admires Lenin, Stalin and Hitler :confused:
I do NOT agree to MOST of the things they did - but what can i say i always had a fondness for extremes - i also admire Jesus, Satan, God, Buddha - though i do not share SOME of their beliefs. (i don't share all of God's opinions because i don't know them and i cannot assume to know them).
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Uh, dude, if you admire Satan, I think you've seriously misunderstood both what he stands for and what he's accomplished. Care to elaborate? (I assume you're talking about the Satan from Christian mythology)
 
Erik Mesoy said:
Uh, dude, if you admire Satan, I think you've seriously misunderstood both what he stands for and what he's accomplished. Care to elaborate? (I assume you're talking about the Satan from Christian mythology)
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Yes - shouldn't we all admire evil in it's purest form ?
Think about it, just imagine what his (it's) motivation is - it is impossible to guess (not like Hitler's which can be traced to childhood traumas and stuff).
Think of a being that only does evil . WHY does he do only evil things - why is it so single minded ? Does it/he ever felt remorse ? What does he remember form his life as an angel (if you believe this) ? Can he be changed or is it hopeless ? What fuels his eternal hatred ?
It is these kind of questions that make me admire extreme good and extreme evil - if you can call it that.

In conclusion (apparently) it would seem that the sheer "SINGLE-MINDED" concept amazes me. (also political extremism Hitler & Stalin - and others of course - they believed in their concepts to the death ).
 
Sidhe said:
God.

I don't agree with some of his policies or some of his choices but at the end of the day he did create us all(I think or did he?) If he does exist then I would say I admire his persistence, especially after those nasty rabis had his son crucified because they wouldn't accept he was the Mesiah, man I would of gone medievil on those people, oh no wait a minute;)

Yeah definitely God, he doesn't always do the right thing, but then he does move in mysterious ways, so who am I to judge:)
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I'm mildly offended but surprisingly humored. Does anyone think there is something wrong with society where talking about God is a taboo? I mean I hang out with a lot of jews in my school and I would never dare bring up the subject of religion. I remember one time that I did and they gave me the wierdest look. I didn't even ask why they were so offended :crazyeye: . From that day on when ever I hear someone talking about God I also give them that same stare as if out of instinct. That is why you won't see me posting in religion threads too often, something just seems offensive when God is brought up.

And sorry ainwood, maybe I should edit a smilie in there.
 
general_kill said:
I'm mildly offended but surprisingly humored. Does anyone think there is something wrong with society where talking about God is a taboo? I mean I hang out with a lot of jews in my school and I would never dare bring up the subject of religion. I remember one time that I did and they gave me the wierdest look. I didn't even ask why they were so offended :crazyeye: . From that day on when ever I hear someone talking about God I also give them that same stare as if out of instinct. That is why you won't see me posting in religion threads too often, something just seems offensive when God is brought up.

And sorry ainwood, maybe I should edit a smilie in there.
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It is obvious why that happened. They were thinking "DUUUUDE - WTH ?"
It is not the fact that they were jews was important - it is the fact that they were STUDENTS - it IS taboo for most teen-agers to THINK about this it's one of those things about which they say "That's not cool"... If you would start talking about God and religion in ANY school you would get THE LOOK.

I got THE LOOK when i started talking about philosophy DURING THE PHYLOSOPHY CLASS .
Nowadays teenagers are anti-intelectual :( - i am going OT again :D
 
MattJek said:
Joseph Stalin
Led his country from backardness to superpowerdom.
Created an atmosphere where no one dared to question any of his decisions.
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Yes, Stalin was a nice guy, he just needed a chance. So he killed 25 million people, but he was a soft-hearted, gentle being nonetheless.
 
I agree it's hard enough to admire say hitler for killing 6 million Jews, but being a good friend to those in his inner cricle. Even harder to admire someone who through brutal oppresion and ruthless paranoia subjected more than double this figure to Siberia or worse to Kamchatkan Uranium mines where the life expectancy was in months not years? Not a nice fella. These were his own people rather than a hated "minority" that's just wrong.
 
@Heretic_Cata
You have a strange object of admiration (and maybe a confusing set of ideas). But I'd be inclined to believe that the word you're looking for is not admiration, but fascination.
 
Aphex_Twin said:
@Heretic_Cata
You have a strange object of admiration. But I'd be inclined to believe that the word you're looking for is not admiration, but fascination.
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I think you are right.
Yes i think i am kinda fascinated more than admiring :twitch:
It took me months to realise WHY i like them . I did a lot of thinking that time - i had to find explanations to MANY things in my head. This is one of them (another one of them was realising that being an atheist (like i was then) was not a good thing for me - but that is OT;))
 
Elrohir said:
Gandhi. I find his resolve and determination admirable, even if I find his adamant anti-violence stance disagreeable. Even when facing obvious and overwhelming evil, such as Nazi Germany, he still did not believe violence was justified, a position I could never in good faith follow.
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So you would have rather had him slaughter people? :dubious:

For me i would have to pick Stalin. Though i disagree with killing people i do think that his transformation of Russia to an Industrially capable nation as well as his firm stance during the kulak revolt was admirable. Stalin also went from a peasant to a feared totalitarian dictator, rags to riches.
 
Heretic_Cata said:
I think you are right.
Yes i think i am kinda fascinated more than admiring :twitch:
It took me months to realise WHY i like them . I did a lot of thinking that time - i had to find explanations to MANY things in my head. This is one of them (another one of them was realising that being an atheist (like i was then) was not a good thing for me - but that is OT;))
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Getting in-touch with your inner bloodthirsty dictator, eh? :)


Totusi, trebuie sa recunoastem. Chiar daca a ucis, torturat si inchis atatia, acestia tot l-au plans cand a murit. De ce sunt oare oamenii atat de prosti?
 
Name someone who you may not totally agree with, but whom you can admire anyway.
Mrs. Muffin.
Explain? I admired her enough to agree to marry her. Since then, she's made it obvious I made at least one good decision since she's known me.
As for the rest, we're still debating.
 
Azash said:
MobBoss!

Need I really say more? I despise Christianity more than anything, but I will gladly admit MobBoss is of strong moral and wisdom. I still don't agree with most of his points, though. ;)
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Well, I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to be the one to start the poster specific stuff.
 
Tony Blair. I respect his technical abilities as an advocate. Same goes for MP Howard and a few others. There seems to be a large number of well trained barristors in Parliament.
 
Siddartha Gautama

Some of his teachings are elusive to me, but many of his words have opened my eyes.
 
Bill Gates.

I admire the fact that this man was a business genious from a young age. He also made being a nerd popular to some extent. :lol:

He probably could hire body gaurds to beat up all those bullys that picked on him in highschool now. :lol:
 
Aphex_Twin said:
Yes, Stalin was a nice guy, he just needed a chance. So he killed 25 million people, but he was a soft-hearted, gentle being nonetheless.
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Where did that come from? :confused:
EDIT: The OP never said we had to choose a nice guy
 
Comrade Josef Stalin

He's the hero of Russia, the one who turns our peasant country into a world superpower. When he's in charge, no country dares to bully us. They fear us. They didn't impose their ideology on us. In the world arena, comrade Stalin contributed enormously in keeping the world save from the Nazi; Russia is part of the Allied force that defeated Hitler and his Thrid Reich. Domestically, he sky rocketed our economy by his masterful five year plans, making Russia one of the advanced, industrialized nations. Education and life expectancy of Russian have been improved during his rule as well. He might be directly or indirectly responsible for the death of millions of comrades and aliens but his contributions to Russia far outweigh his faults and mistakes.

You will be missed, Comrade Stalin!
 
From what I heard, Stalin still has a pretty devout following in Russia. Many nationalists view him as one of the country's greatest heroes (unlike his German counterpart)
 
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