ben-jammin
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"_________ has been founded in a distant land," no?
ALC Game 33: Korea / Wang Kon
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Um the Muse
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Aha! Thank you to all those who helped clear up that issue.
Sorry, Benginal, for derailing your thread.
Sorry, Benginal, for derailing your thread.
Um the Muse
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Great! In that case, I'd like to know if others use this as a benchmark for when to build their own cities?
vranasm
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no
on lower levels I surely want to be much quicker (on noble for example at the time ai's have 2 cities I want to have at least 3)
on higher levels I know I won't compete with cities that early especially if I didn't finish pottery/writing yet (but that depends on gold/gems too ofc).
Number of AI cities is good for you to know how AI's compete with each other and you will get good idea of biggest competitors.
And I guess the best players can based on AI expansion guess which AI's go for wonders and which not (or military ofc).
But then... a lot of AI's act the same way each game, so you kind of expect WK collapsing :-D and Zara+Justy+Joao having 10+ cities at 1AD.
I agree, I love the ancient age music too xD
But unfortunately I dont know how to set the game with this music only =/ maybe someone else will be able to help you.
Ah, I agree with you vranasm. Your comment about Joao getting lots of cities made me laugh, that's exactly what happened in one of my games (the first one with Joao in it). I rushed someone, then built 2-3 more cities, then I was at 8 or 9 cities... And saw Joao had more than me oO I was amazed.
By the way, am I wrong or Warlord & BTW made the AI... more intelligent? I mean, in Vanilla I had never seen any AI trying to win by culture, and recently I saw in a BTW game Willem going for culture. He had something like 78000, 43000 and 37000 culture cities when I finally won the game.
Oh sorry, another question =/ in this game I was Zara if I remember correctly, and even if I've never liked it I tried to play with a SE economy. It was quite nice but my start was too slow, my rush ended late and then I got a library too late... So I was wondering if my space win was good, or not (dont misunderstand me, I now it's far of being optimal, but just the basic, just wanna know if I totally failed or if that was correct). So, is a space win at 1902 (EDIT: 1914, sorry. This new thing, about the launch which lasts 12 turns more, annoyed me :O), with 17000 points at score seems good for a space victory?
(Im sorry, one more quick question) As I was in a SE I wanted to get lots of GP, so with 1 scientist I made a Golden Age. Then, with Liberalism I took Nationalism and built the Taj Mahal, during my first Golden Age (I also had built a wonder, dont remember the name, with 50% longer GA. Edit, the Mausoleum of Maussollos). With that, and with Pacifism, I got lots of % of GP birth, so I got 2 more scientists... Then with Economics, a free Marchant... My question is, is it a good strategy to make a veryyyyy long GA, by using Taj mahal, the wonder I talked about, using also 2 and then 3 GP...?
At first I didnt launch a GA for that reason, I wanted to do lots of civics change, then I saw my science was growing a lot so I made GA+GA+GA.. Should I have done differently?
But unfortunately I dont know how to set the game with this music only =/ maybe someone else will be able to help you.
Ah, I agree with you vranasm. Your comment about Joao getting lots of cities made me laugh, that's exactly what happened in one of my games (the first one with Joao in it). I rushed someone, then built 2-3 more cities, then I was at 8 or 9 cities... And saw Joao had more than me oO I was amazed.
By the way, am I wrong or Warlord & BTW made the AI... more intelligent? I mean, in Vanilla I had never seen any AI trying to win by culture, and recently I saw in a BTW game Willem going for culture. He had something like 78000, 43000 and 37000 culture cities when I finally won the game.
Oh sorry, another question =/ in this game I was Zara if I remember correctly, and even if I've never liked it I tried to play with a SE economy. It was quite nice but my start was too slow, my rush ended late and then I got a library too late... So I was wondering if my space win was good, or not (dont misunderstand me, I now it's far of being optimal, but just the basic, just wanna know if I totally failed or if that was correct). So, is a space win at 1902 (EDIT: 1914, sorry. This new thing, about the launch which lasts 12 turns more, annoyed me :O), with 17000 points at score seems good for a space victory?
(Im sorry, one more quick question) As I was in a SE I wanted to get lots of GP, so with 1 scientist I made a Golden Age. Then, with Liberalism I took Nationalism and built the Taj Mahal, during my first Golden Age (I also had built a wonder, dont remember the name, with 50% longer GA. Edit, the Mausoleum of Maussollos). With that, and with Pacifism, I got lots of % of GP birth, so I got 2 more scientists... Then with Economics, a free Marchant... My question is, is it a good strategy to make a veryyyyy long GA, by using Taj mahal, the wonder I talked about, using also 2 and then 3 GP...?
At first I didnt launch a GA for that reason, I wanted to do lots of civics change, then I saw my science was growing a lot so I made GA+GA+GA.. Should I have done differently?
well I certainly wouldn't use great people to get golden ages for the sole purpose of getting more great people, unless you go super-ultra-allout specialist for the whole golden age. If you had a lot of hammer + commerce tiles like maoi statues water, watermills, and windmills, then I'd say it's a pretty decent plan since you'll be getting such a giant hammer+commerce bonus.
BTW, specialist economy is completely baller, especially when you get the pyramids ^^ You should experiment with it more.
For fun:
BTW, specialist economy is completely baller, especially when you get the pyramids ^^ You should experiment with it more.
For fun:
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obsolete
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Seems I ended up winning by domination by accident again.
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AbsoluteZero
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yo how do i set the game to play only ancient-age music? The renaissance, medeival, etc music really tilts me. If I could get baba yetu (title theme) thatd be good too.
sorry for being massively OT
To get the game to play ancient age music+baba yetu only, put it in a seperate folder, go to options, audio, and browse for whatever you named the folder.
Thank you! I thought I'd read there was a way somehow.
@OP: I crave action!! When's the next turnset coming?
I'm going to say some ideas I got, they may be wrong:
I'll start with a question, what eco are you planning to get, CE or SE? Wang being financial I'd naturally go for a CE but you didnt start any cottage yet (you got Pottery only some turns ago, maybe thats why).
If you wanna go for SE CoL is the way to go, moreover if it enables courthouses (I love them). Well you dont really need then yet but you're building some settlers so maybe having CoL soon would be a nice thing.
And CoL for Math would be a nice deal, if JC decides to give Math away.
I'm really not a fan of bulbing techs' strategy, but with your actual techs, your GS will bulb Math, right? If he does, it would give you a nice jump to Construction -> Catapults (Hwachas).
Then it's axes+hwachas, what you were planning to do.
As I said at the end of your previous round, I'd attack Cyrus, especially if you convert to Judaism. Moreover he's damn close to you.
But on the other hand, Bismark is close too, and I see he only has copper (i may be wrong) while Cyrus has horses for his immortals, and iron. Also, Bismark has 2 wonders in his capital, including the Pyramids. SE or not, Pyramids are huge.
Berlin is only at size 4, Bismark is very slow on techs, worst on scores... I'd probably go for him.
Btw, why JC still dont wanna trade Priesthood away?? It's been a while he refuses it, now he wants to trade Monotheism but NOT Priesthood?
Is it because he wanna stay the only one to have Monarchy? If so, why is it important? Cause it's Feudalism's prerequist?
I'll start with a question, what eco are you planning to get, CE or SE? Wang being financial I'd naturally go for a CE but you didnt start any cottage yet (you got Pottery only some turns ago, maybe thats why).
If you wanna go for SE CoL is the way to go, moreover if it enables courthouses (I love them). Well you dont really need then yet but you're building some settlers so maybe having CoL soon would be a nice thing.
And CoL for Math would be a nice deal, if JC decides to give Math away.
I'm really not a fan of bulbing techs' strategy, but with your actual techs, your GS will bulb Math, right? If he does, it would give you a nice jump to Construction -> Catapults (Hwachas).
Then it's axes+hwachas, what you were planning to do.
As I said at the end of your previous round, I'd attack Cyrus, especially if you convert to Judaism. Moreover he's damn close to you.
But on the other hand, Bismark is close too, and I see he only has copper (i may be wrong) while Cyrus has horses for his immortals, and iron. Also, Bismark has 2 wonders in his capital, including the Pyramids. SE or not, Pyramids are huge.
Berlin is only at size 4, Bismark is very slow on techs, worst on scores... I'd probably go for him.
Btw, why JC still dont wanna trade Priesthood away?? It's been a while he refuses it, now he wants to trade Monotheism but NOT Priesthood?
Is it because he wanna stay the only one to have Monarchy? If so, why is it important? Cause it's Feudalism's prerequist?
Very nice! It's interesting to see how you settled in all the exact same spots as me, except you also got that FP site next to Bismark that I didn't dare swipe.
I think the decision to use the GS for an academy in the gold + FP city is clear. It seems to have grown enough, now start spamming cottages there and build the palace in preparation for a financial academy + beauro + oxford capital.
I'd probably tech lit and build the G.Lib, you have marble and that'll get you another GS or two while allowing you to work financial cottages instead of scientists. Get civil service next, working towards machinery and then either guilds, engineering, or education depending on if you want to attack with knights, maces+trebs, or something later like cuirassiers.
Is there any way to get that clams tile back from persia? It's offensive that his 2nd border pop > your 1st.
You could attack Persia with a very weak power rating assuming you can dogpile him, but it might be better to bait Julius into war with him, then backstab Rome like a champ. You could also take out Bismark pretty easily with maces (& hwacha or trebs?) thanks to his wonderspam and slow teching. I don't think you really need the pyramids though. Should be easy enough to bribe Mongolia into war with Bismark to make it even easier if you choose to go that route.
If you decide to hit Bismark or Julius first, you MIGHT want to delay switching into Judaism to reduce the unhappiness penalty for warring with brothers of the faith, but it's likely not significant.
I think the decision to use the GS for an academy in the gold + FP city is clear. It seems to have grown enough, now start spamming cottages there and build the palace in preparation for a financial academy + beauro + oxford capital.
I'd probably tech lit and build the G.Lib, you have marble and that'll get you another GS or two while allowing you to work financial cottages instead of scientists. Get civil service next, working towards machinery and then either guilds, engineering, or education depending on if you want to attack with knights, maces+trebs, or something later like cuirassiers.
Is there any way to get that clams tile back from persia? It's offensive that his 2nd border pop > your 1st.
You could attack Persia with a very weak power rating assuming you can dogpile him, but it might be better to bait Julius into war with him, then backstab Rome like a champ. You could also take out Bismark pretty easily with maces (& hwacha or trebs?) thanks to his wonderspam and slow teching. I don't think you really need the pyramids though. Should be easy enough to bribe Mongolia into war with Bismark to make it even easier if you choose to go that route.
If you decide to hit Bismark or Julius first, you MIGHT want to delay switching into Judaism to reduce the unhappiness penalty for warring with brothers of the faith, but it's likely not significant.
civvver
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How is the UB horrible? 10% more science is like running free religion. It's one of the better UBs imo. I mean most UBs aren't that good, giving an extra health or happiness which you often don't need and from a building you might not build (like persia's appothecary or india's masoleum). I really like korea's because I build universities in 80% of my cities anyway and it's a noticeable benefit.
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