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let me give a modern day example of how paranoia can influence and even disrupt real events , even if some 99.5% of it will be terribly off-topic .
now the Turkish Foreign Minister has been to Diyarbakır , to talk about our great future with our "brothers" the Kurds . Much stuff on how the Old Republic was bad and mistreated them and so on in recent years . Reforms by the goverment is to correct all that and he is very clear on it , if together we have a great future . If not , they will tear us apart to tiny bits . They being some undetermined enemy who doesn't like us , the peoples of Middle East and Muslims . The location and the message seems to suggest a call on the Kurds to stay with the Goverment's Ankara . It's over , the ways of the Old and everything will be better , our past is glorious in that we respected cultural differences and will do so in the future , meaning an equally glorious future ..
a necessary background info to understand the "urgency" in delivery by the FM is that nobody can dare name-calling the PM and everybody criticizes him the FM for the utter lack of success with this Neo-Ottomanist approach . He has even railed at this neo thing , he fervently asks why people don't describe those in Turkey who favour stronger ties with the EU as Neo-Romans or Neo-Holy Romanic Germans or whatever . He should be advised , perhaps , that certain people can somehow get offended -if the State , too , starts to play the MI6 angle that Christians used to run this country in the 20th Century . The entire admission to EU was a smokescreen for his party to get more votes from the Center ; provided by the EU -after some US prodding , has he already forgotten ?
that apart even the skimpiest take on the respect of differences and stuff fails immediately , in that a second province in Turkey has banned the consumption of alcohol , anywhere not under a roof , just like countries ban smoking anywhere under a roof . Not a drinker here and not exactly one that who supports those who drink , but it's easy to see the muscle-flexing . It's not a year that it was Alevis , not Alawites / Syrian Nationals in the Syrian State service massacring the Sunnis as reported in every public statement by the Goverment . Allright , an exaggeration ... Everybody sees the Reform in Turkey only serves those who are liked by the Reformers ; we have spectacularly wasted a chance to come clean with the Death Squads and disappearances of the 1990s for the cases were fed into this thing in the Kangoroo courts , to implicate innocent patriots -in the complete sense of the word- as bloody murderers and so on . As if the people in the East do not see half of those responsible are still around , currently talking brotherly love etc etc ... Though the failure of providing Rights for the Individual is not that horrible a thing for our Easterners , how else they would keep their feodal lording over people after the country was divided ?
for any Kurd with half a brain sees that the Civil War to come in Turkey will be one between the Turk and the Turk . For those more hawkish , there is this incredible fighting machine , the armed wing of the seperatists that must have beaten the Turkish Armed Forces in combat , according to the tone of days ; any spill-over can easily be handled ... Don't take it as far-fetched . There is a strenous effort to break the "Turk" into components ; to justify the "rights" being provided to the Kurds there is always a reference to Caucasians , Bosnians , Black Sea folks and so on . Taking a cue from what the Easterner MPs regularly use , will a day come that ı will be offered "my" rights as a "Bulgarian" ? So what if Mehmet Akif , the guy who penned the words of our National Anthem was of Albanian stock , what makes it so certain that he wouldn't spit in the faces of some of those Reformers ? He was with the propaganda section in Berlin in 1917 , was he not ?
much ranting against Racism inherent in being a Turk and the trouble it has caused , foremost with the suffering of our brothers , the Kurds . This brother thing wouldn't have rankled one bit , had it been about how we are of one family , inseperable like flesh and nail . It doesn't go that way when they are "kept" as an entity -encouraged to succeed with their monolithic one party structure- while this "majority" is broken up so that this new Turkey can be held together by an warlike "race" , instead of the effeminate Turks who have got rich and accustomed to the ways of 21st Century and stuff , good life foremost . America does not intend to give too much to the Fundemantalist Oil Empire to be , there needs to be a balance afterall . Let the Emir of Qatar to buy islands in the Aegean as his Westernest territory , America doesn't like Greeks anyhow . Effeminate , rich and lazy democratic dwellers of Athens and around ... Much whispers around on how some land should be given to Kurds and let them rot there ; who says that would work ? We stop being "racists" and get the award : a chance to die for our new masters , though it's debateable who they will be . Cue in Mehmet Akif , who wrote pamplets to be distributed by Germans ; intented to awaken the suffering Muslims from Algeria to India , Egypt to steppes of Russia . He would see the game immediately .
one might argue that the FM calls attention to such stuff to prevent more horrible stuff , drinking smuggled tea in front of TV cameras as well . For Kurds know it to a man that the West has decided for a Kurdish Nation-State and nothing can stand its way . The FM just vocalizes the oft mentioned dictum that one should enjoy being raped if one can't avoid it ; which neatly explains the way Ankara builds up N.Iraq and the oil profits for Turkish companies glosses over how much goes there . ı must really mention lipsticks , miniskirts , high heels , complete removal of the hair on the legs and stuff women do before a date . One must follow the command of the West or the West teaches one's proper place ; with this reference to "they will tear us apart" ...
it is known , as Dothrakis say .
since 2002 the American war-plans against this Blue Threat aka Turkey has been changed for the 8th time , last this March . Say , the possible Russian complicity increases every time even if it's still just a page and it has grown from "LOL, what?" to "Bah, we can handle anybody. We will offer them so many billions, just in case." Rights to individuals , actual democracy , respect of differences work real good for lots of countries , why should them hurt Turkey ? Unless , there is no intention for them to happen ; for destruction of this country will be quicker and cheaper when people loose all kinds of attachment , by a feeling of being lied to ? For the safety of oil fields , maybe ? Oil fields we don't even have ... The FM attaches too much importance to himself when it was "decided" this country would fall by intervention in 1997 ; as a preparation the West had this almost sexual obsession with the Serbs , with such learned articles in Diplomacy journals . Observation of what has happened since seems to suggest waiting to tire invasions is not productive . If we are to watch for some "peacekeeper" sentry fall asleep on guard to plant some C4 at some wall in Istanbul or Ankara , we are already lost ... ("We" naturally does not include me , me being an utter failure , even as an armchair general .) The consensus seems to be it will be immediate , full scale , all-out with anything and everything (*). What this means for the FM , who has to find a way out of American demands about a re-approachment with Israel in the clear , among other things , which indeed scratches some charisma here in Turkey ? You know April is coming with attendant voting in Washington on whether we genocided the Armenians or not ... He can wear a skullcap and cry at the Wall in Kudüs , we wouldn't be surprised one bit ... Such goes the summary of what's currently in , in this weird forum ı am allowed in without any privileges .
(*) now NATO was of the opinion that if Turkey lasted a week in WW III it would rightly be a legend . The bets are on whether we will last more than 24 hours when our turn to be given Democracy comes .
paranoia exists everywhere . History is supposed to help somewhat in avoiding the making the exact same mistakes others did , and ı hope present day can also be taken as an example for a discussion of the past , in this thread . Something one should ponder on for the world of 1930 and 40s is the apparent possibility that Capitalism could fail and be replaced by Socialism and other -isms that abounded at the time . Causing all sorts of proposals of prevention or agitation . Leading to genuine fears on part of those who were playing the game , a game the fans of Games of Thrones see realized in that show . One either did or died . Due to its size , hence potential , Russia was usually the primary in such discussions and Stalin who rose to his position by bloody murder was conditioned to expect the same . He deserves tons of crap but ı can't say anybody in his place could do much better or worse or whatever .
now the Turkish Foreign Minister has been to Diyarbakır , to talk about our great future with our "brothers" the Kurds . Much stuff on how the Old Republic was bad and mistreated them and so on in recent years . Reforms by the goverment is to correct all that and he is very clear on it , if together we have a great future . If not , they will tear us apart to tiny bits . They being some undetermined enemy who doesn't like us , the peoples of Middle East and Muslims . The location and the message seems to suggest a call on the Kurds to stay with the Goverment's Ankara . It's over , the ways of the Old and everything will be better , our past is glorious in that we respected cultural differences and will do so in the future , meaning an equally glorious future ..
a necessary background info to understand the "urgency" in delivery by the FM is that nobody can dare name-calling the PM and everybody criticizes him the FM for the utter lack of success with this Neo-Ottomanist approach . He has even railed at this neo thing , he fervently asks why people don't describe those in Turkey who favour stronger ties with the EU as Neo-Romans or Neo-Holy Romanic Germans or whatever . He should be advised , perhaps , that certain people can somehow get offended -if the State , too , starts to play the MI6 angle that Christians used to run this country in the 20th Century . The entire admission to EU was a smokescreen for his party to get more votes from the Center ; provided by the EU -after some US prodding , has he already forgotten ?
that apart even the skimpiest take on the respect of differences and stuff fails immediately , in that a second province in Turkey has banned the consumption of alcohol , anywhere not under a roof , just like countries ban smoking anywhere under a roof . Not a drinker here and not exactly one that who supports those who drink , but it's easy to see the muscle-flexing . It's not a year that it was Alevis , not Alawites / Syrian Nationals in the Syrian State service massacring the Sunnis as reported in every public statement by the Goverment . Allright , an exaggeration ... Everybody sees the Reform in Turkey only serves those who are liked by the Reformers ; we have spectacularly wasted a chance to come clean with the Death Squads and disappearances of the 1990s for the cases were fed into this thing in the Kangoroo courts , to implicate innocent patriots -in the complete sense of the word- as bloody murderers and so on . As if the people in the East do not see half of those responsible are still around , currently talking brotherly love etc etc ... Though the failure of providing Rights for the Individual is not that horrible a thing for our Easterners , how else they would keep their feodal lording over people after the country was divided ?
for any Kurd with half a brain sees that the Civil War to come in Turkey will be one between the Turk and the Turk . For those more hawkish , there is this incredible fighting machine , the armed wing of the seperatists that must have beaten the Turkish Armed Forces in combat , according to the tone of days ; any spill-over can easily be handled ... Don't take it as far-fetched . There is a strenous effort to break the "Turk" into components ; to justify the "rights" being provided to the Kurds there is always a reference to Caucasians , Bosnians , Black Sea folks and so on . Taking a cue from what the Easterner MPs regularly use , will a day come that ı will be offered "my" rights as a "Bulgarian" ? So what if Mehmet Akif , the guy who penned the words of our National Anthem was of Albanian stock , what makes it so certain that he wouldn't spit in the faces of some of those Reformers ? He was with the propaganda section in Berlin in 1917 , was he not ?
much ranting against Racism inherent in being a Turk and the trouble it has caused , foremost with the suffering of our brothers , the Kurds . This brother thing wouldn't have rankled one bit , had it been about how we are of one family , inseperable like flesh and nail . It doesn't go that way when they are "kept" as an entity -encouraged to succeed with their monolithic one party structure- while this "majority" is broken up so that this new Turkey can be held together by an warlike "race" , instead of the effeminate Turks who have got rich and accustomed to the ways of 21st Century and stuff , good life foremost . America does not intend to give too much to the Fundemantalist Oil Empire to be , there needs to be a balance afterall . Let the Emir of Qatar to buy islands in the Aegean as his Westernest territory , America doesn't like Greeks anyhow . Effeminate , rich and lazy democratic dwellers of Athens and around ... Much whispers around on how some land should be given to Kurds and let them rot there ; who says that would work ? We stop being "racists" and get the award : a chance to die for our new masters , though it's debateable who they will be . Cue in Mehmet Akif , who wrote pamplets to be distributed by Germans ; intented to awaken the suffering Muslims from Algeria to India , Egypt to steppes of Russia . He would see the game immediately .
one might argue that the FM calls attention to such stuff to prevent more horrible stuff , drinking smuggled tea in front of TV cameras as well . For Kurds know it to a man that the West has decided for a Kurdish Nation-State and nothing can stand its way . The FM just vocalizes the oft mentioned dictum that one should enjoy being raped if one can't avoid it ; which neatly explains the way Ankara builds up N.Iraq and the oil profits for Turkish companies glosses over how much goes there . ı must really mention lipsticks , miniskirts , high heels , complete removal of the hair on the legs and stuff women do before a date . One must follow the command of the West or the West teaches one's proper place ; with this reference to "they will tear us apart" ...
it is known , as Dothrakis say .
since 2002 the American war-plans against this Blue Threat aka Turkey has been changed for the 8th time , last this March . Say , the possible Russian complicity increases every time even if it's still just a page and it has grown from "LOL, what?" to "Bah, we can handle anybody. We will offer them so many billions, just in case." Rights to individuals , actual democracy , respect of differences work real good for lots of countries , why should them hurt Turkey ? Unless , there is no intention for them to happen ; for destruction of this country will be quicker and cheaper when people loose all kinds of attachment , by a feeling of being lied to ? For the safety of oil fields , maybe ? Oil fields we don't even have ... The FM attaches too much importance to himself when it was "decided" this country would fall by intervention in 1997 ; as a preparation the West had this almost sexual obsession with the Serbs , with such learned articles in Diplomacy journals . Observation of what has happened since seems to suggest waiting to tire invasions is not productive . If we are to watch for some "peacekeeper" sentry fall asleep on guard to plant some C4 at some wall in Istanbul or Ankara , we are already lost ... ("We" naturally does not include me , me being an utter failure , even as an armchair general .) The consensus seems to be it will be immediate , full scale , all-out with anything and everything (*). What this means for the FM , who has to find a way out of American demands about a re-approachment with Israel in the clear , among other things , which indeed scratches some charisma here in Turkey ? You know April is coming with attendant voting in Washington on whether we genocided the Armenians or not ... He can wear a skullcap and cry at the Wall in Kudüs , we wouldn't be surprised one bit ... Such goes the summary of what's currently in , in this weird forum ı am allowed in without any privileges .
(*) now NATO was of the opinion that if Turkey lasted a week in WW III it would rightly be a legend . The bets are on whether we will last more than 24 hours when our turn to be given Democracy comes .
paranoia exists everywhere . History is supposed to help somewhat in avoiding the making the exact same mistakes others did , and ı hope present day can also be taken as an example for a discussion of the past , in this thread . Something one should ponder on for the world of 1930 and 40s is the apparent possibility that Capitalism could fail and be replaced by Socialism and other -isms that abounded at the time . Causing all sorts of proposals of prevention or agitation . Leading to genuine fears on part of those who were playing the game , a game the fans of Games of Thrones see realized in that show . One either did or died . Due to its size , hence potential , Russia was usually the primary in such discussions and Stalin who rose to his position by bloody murder was conditioned to expect the same . He deserves tons of crap but ı can't say anybody in his place could do much better or worse or whatever .
