Deity Challenge 1 - Russia, Pangaea

I had an easy time bribing Askia to fight in this game. Usually only cost me 100-300 gold, sometimes a luxury, depending on how much he liked me and how eager he was to fight. I used to have trouble with war bribes too. The key is asking them to fight their weaker neighbors. For example, it's tough to get anyone to fight Askia in this game, but it's easy to get him to fight others. Just make sure to bribe him to fight somebody who can put up a decent fight: It'll last longer, and the military leader will get less out of it.
 
I am replaying the map atm. Is is such a very fun one :). But it is really hard to hold of the initial attack from EITHER Askia or Japan, the one who gets to be the dominant one. Puh, love it but hard :crazyeye:
 
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I raged quit at turn 217!

My lack of deity knowledge and lazyness had cost me the game.

When i came back from the turn 163, everything went fine for 30 turns. DoFed Suleiman and signed RAs with both Attila and him. Got Plastics at a decent time and upgraded some units ''just in case''. Well it wasn't enough... for some reason i got a triple DoW from Haile, Oda and Askia. Now i have to protect 4 fronts...now!

This Askia guy that i stumped earlier was still a big empire and a big threat. He had a lot of units but i didn't build/upgrade enough infantry units and didn't upgrade my crossbowmen units as well. And i didn't research artillery..in fact i completely did the opposite from what i usually do in mp games! :lol:

My gpt rate has dropped dangerously and i don't know how i can get a diplo victory from here, especially with all these units entering in my territory each turns. With cannons and gatling guns i would have got last cities of askia and been in a lot better shape now despite having slower research...

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I think i should get out of my mind that at deity only i just can't let these AI neighbors do what they want...like it is against humans. That was my 2nd geity game since last major patch and it was a great experience. Just don't trust deity AI neighbors! Bully them like in real life ffs! :king:
 
Ugly, ugly game. :crazyeye: :crazyeye: :crazyeye: Probably the ugliest I've ever had. Also AI fought back harder than I've ever seen. Not the usual sitting back and waiting for inevitable lost. I was surprised.

From the moment I loaded the last 212 save everything went kinda wrong.

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First of all, Suleiman survived. Somehow. And even made it to Modern. Which wasn't part of my brilliant plan at all. In fact, it kinda totally ruined my brilliant plan. :rolleyes: I've got Plastics, bought two research labs and one was hard built in Moscow. Bpt started to rise, but too little too late. With my 11 cities I peaked at 750:c5science:, not enough by any standard. Maria Teresa kept her 9-10% tech lead and soon after finished Apollo and Manhattan project. I could have used the scientists to bridge some of the gap, but good thing I didn't. I was struggling with unhappiness and cash deficit. Buildings and army maintenance added up, so no upgrades were possible. At times I was running at as low as +8gpt. :crazyeye: No rush bought nukes as well, obviously. Besides, Austria and Huns had plenty of their own uranium and got it earlier than I did. Basically, the game reached the point most of my games reach eventually and I don't know how to avoid it - I just want to finish asap, no matter what way. Tediousness of long and exhausting attrition wars when I face zillions of units makes me choose alternative paths. I'm so lazy...:blush: And despite my very stubborn desire to beat the hell out of all these AI bullies, I beelined Globalization, bought GE with faith and started hoarding. Again waited a little too long for burning scientists, but thought I didn't have enough money. Was too cautious, I suspect, diplo win is still pretty safe. And AI was broke, because I maintained perma wars between all other civs. At one moment Attila had over 5K which I was expecting to grab, next turn - nada. :crazyeye:

But the most interesting part began two turns before UN completion.
At first Oda DoWed me. Just like in Tabarnak's case, he was pretty down, when I left him to lick his wounds, with all major cities gone and the capital relocated to puppet-Gao. In the meanwhile he took some of the smaller Austrian cities on our half pangaea, spammed more of his own crappy ones, annexed Gao and amassed a very decent army on my border. I knew I had to take Gao for the final blow, but unhappiness was killing me and I hoped it wouldn't matter. Well, it did. Since I dismissed 2/3 of my army and did't want to spend cash on upgrades, my military was pretty outdated. I had to sell Osaka to Ethiopia for pennies, there was no chance to save it. Then Oda retook Kyoto and Tombouctu in one turn with dozen of planes. Another surprise. AI brings a well balanced army, no more trillion arties with one infantry which got killed and you're good to go. Couple of turns later I had to sell Tokyo as well, despite the fact I was sitting on 10K with enough oil and uranium to turn Japan into dust. :crazyeye: At least Colombo captured Toumbouctu back. :crazyeye: :D

Another surprise happened when I finished UN. My long time ally Belgrade was couped by Attila. Another long time ally Zanzibar faced double shenanigans (I have no other explanation) and from ally dropped to -60. :crazyeye: Next turn the Huns DoWed me. No immediate danger, they had no cities close by, but two of my allies were lost for the rest of the game while couple more repelling his attacks. 3 turns before the vote I had 10 allies in total, 2 turns before the vote Maria Teresa couped 4(!!!) of them leaving me with 8/10 necessary votes. I didn't want to play cheesy, so I tried to avoid allying in last turn and selling cities and gpt for lum sums. But with no other choice left I had to wait for the last turn to throw the remaining ~6k on those CS which weren't at war with me.

The best thing I've done in this game was, hands down, keeping everybody at war. As a result all AI teched slowly and Austria was stripped off its money. Not a single diplo marriage! The biggest mistake was, I believe, not attacking Oda earlier. With my numbers he should have been a goner. You get away with having cold feet on immortal, but it's too pricey on deity. And delaying Education on top of taking Honor wasn't that smart either. This was risky move, doesn't pay off bottom line.
I should have realized there wouldn't be enough time to take care of 4 opponents with such low bpt. Once again, science is what wins games.

Not a map I'll replay, but it was fun anyways. I was never at substantial danger of losing the game despite of my very counter-intuitive play. More traditional path makes more sense on this map. Rationalism, some Patronage, RA's and upgraded army that's what should be done here. After taking out Askia it was my game to lose. AI is still clueless, but at least it tries to prevent its lost. Tries. Not there yet.:crazyeye:

P.S. Maria Teresa, what a hypocrite! She was plotting against Haile Selassie for the whole time.
P.P.S. WTH all the engineers? :crazyeye:
 

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Now i have to protect 4 fronts...now!

I had the same situation during last 50 or so turns of my game. Everyone except Attila DoW'ed. What made it easier for me is the fact that i controlled most of my 'continent'. Haile and Maria tried to take over that mercantile CS (which was next to impossible) instead of storming my territory. Askia and Oda just shifted troops on my southern borders and didn't risk entering my lands for long. Citadels also helped.
 
I had the same situation during last 50 or so turns of my game. Everyone except Attila DoW'ed. What made it easier for me is the fact that i controlled most of my 'continent'. Haile and Maria tried to take over that mercantile CS (which was next to impossible) instead of storming my territory. Askia and Oda just shifted troops on my southern borders and didn't risk entering my lands for long. Citadels also helped.
It's so much easier when you have a decent science.
 
Minor update:
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I ended up changing my mind about Taghaza just as I had moved all my units to go for Tokyo. I realized that's where Askia was getting his horses. I was able to get a Crossbow in there to pillage them, and I managed to take the city. I took some losses, but not nearly as many as I could have if he had more Mandecavs. Unfortunately the city had WAY too much food so it got 3 pop back super fast. :(

Hit Industrialization and pushed down to Tokyo. It's currently stalemating because he bought Horses from someone and is sending wave after wave of spam.

And again, the AI has no clue when it's winning. Askia thinks I should give him all my gold and ALL my cities in this situation:
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The only thing that changes is he adds each city I take to his list of total surrender demands. Idiot. :crazyeye:
 
What made it easier for me is the fact that i controlled most of my 'continent'.

This. When you have to protect over 15 tiles of frontier even 2 or 3 citadels aren't enough to block everyone. Especially at deity :crazyeye:

A couple more of infantry units would have cut their fun pretty fast too. Askia needs to be conquered to win this game.

Wow Pilgrim that was quite a nice gpt rate at that point. You got unlucky bro, my AIs were pretty equal with nothing dangerous really. I just killed myslef.
 
This. When you have to protect over 15 tiles of frontier even 2 or 3 citadels aren't enough to block everyone. Especially at deity :crazyeye:

A couple more of infantry units would have cut their fun pretty fast too. Askia needs to be conquered to win this game.
When you only have 2 tiles to defend with little (outdated) to no military, citadels won't help either. In my game Oda played very human like, ~5 arties plus lancer hidden in the fog did the job very effectively. I managed to kill 4 or 5 melee units before that just by city defense, one artillery and gatling. Not enough. While bombers could have easily solved the problem. And the most annoying part - I had both cash and oil. Arghhh... :crazyeye:

Wow Pilgrim that was quite a nice gpt rate at that point. You got unlucky bro, my AIs were pretty equal with nothing dangerous really. I just killed myslef.
You think so? I think I've got lucky actually, I wasn't suppose to win, strategic choices I've made were not suitable for this map. Yet, AI put up a fight but was nowhere near winning position. Maria with one part, the rest barely finished Apollo. My gpt was in the toilet after first war with Japan and 350 bpt at 212 also didn't give any reason to be happy. Like I said, I avoided selling gpt and cities, but once I opened Order and entered the last GA, I sold all happiness/culture buildings. Kept most of the scientific ones just in case the vote will fail and I'll need plan B. Wouldn't have worked anyway, but one may hope... :D I dismissed most of the army too and peaked at almost +400 shortly before UN completion. And then I started losing cities. :D You were far far far ahead of me at 217. Maybe you gave up too early? You still can come back to it, you know... :)
 
Oh. My. Word. I'm up to turn 60 so far and many many things have happened (btw how do I include a screenshot? Is it a print screen job?

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My game looks like it's going a rather similar way to Moriarte's. I was scouting past Japan turn 20-25ish, see couple unguarded workers. Had planned on doing a peaceful as possible science, it's far from home and they're military leader so I walk by a turn. Then Askia requests a multi-dow on Japan. I oblige, worker steal and set on my way back home. After building a few archers I notice that they've destroyed each other and are both just as weak as me, and Japan settled in a stupid position (SE adjacent to the dye in the middle) so harass him, only to find absolutely no-one at home. Razed. Upgrade to comps after suing for peace, stroll over to Gao as the demographics say he has no-one either. Well he rush bought a tonne but upshot is I now have a much smaller army, but am in possesion of Gao, which Askia was kind enough to garnish with Statue of Zeus just before I took it! Hmm, the peaceful approach may have to be swiftly re-evaluated. I'm also very spread out (Petersburg by cerro and gems, novgorod all the way down on the left on the copper and rostov waiting to be founded to soak up the wines and horses north of singapore) and after going back for Japan am not sure who to go for, what to do with Ethiopia? Am friends with Sidon, so am going up to Ironworking and hoping for a couple legions!

Turn 261 Domination Victory. I did a lot of things that I wouldn't advise especially in the opening, and I'm pretty sure it was luck cos I've tried it again, and even with map knowledge I'm not doing nearly so well! Btw anyone on how to give screenshots? I can't work out how and print screen isn't working for me.

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After taking Gao with SoZ in I decided on domination, sued for peace with Askia, Went back after Japan to take the cap, though they'd prepared for me this time so it took a while. Ethiopia built GW so I pretty much decided to leave them till flight, Though noticed Jenne was in the 6 tile radius of addis ababa so took that (and planted Yaroslavl in the centre with river, dyes SE and wine NW, after destroying 3 cities in the location) on my way to the main target of Austria with Medieval, and getting beserkers :). By this time had allied with Colombo so hapiness was good, though having started tradition it was gonna be very much tested. Upside is my tech was good, and after tradition I actually decided on rationalism (after patronage opener) and had a right mare staying happy, though novgorod was a jungle science beast for me on the south west. Gave up for the most part once I got flight. Anyway, didn't have the GG's to tunnel into the key target of Austria so did an embarked invasion on the south western Graz (Austria made me pay heavily in diplo by asking about my units, I figured it was worth it and Attila seemed fine with it anyway, I'd already pissed off everyone else I'd met. I'd also already met Atilla so I bribed a war to flush the units). Ethiopia was wonder hoarding but Vienna did have ND so happy days. Then used logistics gatlings to get through the tech, military and points runaway Suleiman. Straight after Astro I went Printing press for theatres so actually I got my first built wonder in LToP (go aristocracy woot), saved the GE for Brandenbrurg, and used all the gold from peace agreements on bribing wars and rush buying great war bombers with air repair :). Just before flight I got the multiDow with everyone except Atilla. Took out Addis Ababa using the bombers, a spare lancer and 2 citadels around the south.

Then everything slowed down (but was not worried cos I'd already capped the main threats) cos I had to cope with Japan, Songhai and Ethiopia with GWB's, set up a city chain to get them over to the other side (through a warring salzberg) and fight Ottomans and Siam (and then Atilla) with the rest on the east, with a couple of super annoying CS's too. Anyhow, eventually got through to Atillas court, and got the shiny cup thingy :). Sure used the SoZ gift some :). Notes for next time - be more sensible with the start. War and rationalism is ruddy hard to mix! I only really survived cos the rationalism and order hapiness policies are so easy to get. Feel bad cos the UA was not massive for me, would have liked more trading, partners, cossacks are good but I only had a couple mounted units, and I pretty much completely forgot about the krepost except in the cap. I think I just lucked out with the opening and rode it out to the end. Would have been nice to give religion a go, but I just took godess of festivals and let Ethiopia give me +2 hapiness from gardens and cathedrals. I actually planted a holy site while 2 religions were still available (really late for deity btw) cos the cathedrals were costing more than the prophet :).

edit: I also found that running an oldschool raze 1 at a time method worked well rather than razing immediately - I had no coastal cities so I started it to rush buy a work boat for pearls and a caravel before razing a coastal city. Generally the cost in culture was small, and I kept my hapiness more manageable like this. Not for every game though :).
 
Impressive btw. 745 science at turn 200.

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Decided to skip domination and went for 'easier' science win instead ;). Maria was right behind me in tech. from mid. game until the very end, when i bulbed 7 GS and finally got away. So i never got confident in that attacking her would be the right thing to do.

Struggled with happiness big time. Spent, like, 50+ turns in the red. Instead, i could just delete one - two cities and prosper with the help of ToA. But then again, that might have given my opponents extra edge. Nine cities was just too much for me to handle though .. :crazyeye:

Constant coups weren't helping either. From turn 200 coups were happening on EVERY turn. That stopped being funny after 20th time in a row, btw. I failed to accumulate any money for public schools, r.labs and factories due to that.The only two CS's that were never couped had two Russian 3rd level agents in them.

No one was teching really hard in this game: on t.268 i was in the lead with 10-15 techs according to the graph. Few wars broke down along the way, but nothing really big happened. I just guarded my chokepoits and they kept coming back later with settlements ;).

 
Howdy folks! Been lurking here awhile, and this thread and game project got me to register and post.
Welcome aboard! :)

I have to admit, I've never successfully been able to convince any AI to declare war on another AI, in any game I've ever played. They always tell me there's no way to make the deal work. What might I be doing wrong? Not enough cash on hand to offer them a lump sum they'll accept? I thought the AI was supposed to value GPT as well as lump sums, but they seem unimpressed even by amounts like 25 GPT.
They either don't like you enough or like the other guy better. Or just being jerks. Sometimes they refuse your payments and the very next turn DoW the same opponents for free. Go figure. :crazyeye: You need to keep an eye on diplo situation. The wars, the denouncements, the DoF's, mutual borders, army size etc. And as far as I can tell they do value lump sums the same as gpt. For example, if they want a lux for DoW, 15+10gpt will cut it too.

Has anyone had a game yet where Ottomans/Siam managed to hold out against Attilla?
In my game Siam survived until ~250. Was down to 1 city most of the game after losing its cap on t48. :crazyeye: Suleiman not only survived and messed all my plans, but built Apollo actually. No chance at winning but towards the end he wasn't the pushover. That role was reserved for me. :lol:

Turn 261 Domination Victory. I did a lot of things that I wouldn't advise especially in the opening, and I'm pretty sure it was luck cos I've tried it again, and even with map knowledge I'm not doing nearly so well! Btw anyone on how to give screenshots? I can't work out how and print screen isn't working for me.
Good job! :)

I work with IrfanView. It's a freeware that recognizes and converts stupid .tga format which for some unexplained reason was used in Civ5. That's what you get if you use PrtSc button. If you use Steam hot key (F12 I believe?), it saves a normal .jpg image in Steam directory.

Just do the Print Screen option (screenies go in your Screenshots sub-folder in your Civ V folder, same folder tree where game save files are located). Irfanview is a good tool to convert to png, jpg, gif, etc. Also has nice cropping and editing tools if you need that.
 
Impressive btw. 745 science at turn 200.

Yeah it is for this particular game and AI level but when you see a tommynt launching a spaceship before that turn you can just imagine how much science you can theorically get by that time :)
 
Yeah it is for this particular game and AI level but when you see a tommynt launching a spaceship before that turn you can just imagine how much science you can theorically get by that time :)

Has he done that after the most recent patch?
 
I don't play much deity but decided to give this a go, because I like Russia. I'm at turn 92 right now and things are looking pretty OK.

Went liberty, 3 cities before NC (settled on the silver & gems mountainside hills to the east), and amassed 9 CBs around turn 64. Decided to go straight at Askia because he had really nice cities close by and he seemed the most dangerous. Managed to take 2 nice cities (lost 3 CBs total) and got a 3k peace deal !! Paid just 250 to Japan for them to DOW and keep the war going :)

plan is to get crossbows and then go at whoever is on top between Japan & Songhai. Then maybe go after Ethiopia later in the industrial or so...they have a lot of wonders.

On the home front things are not looking that great, my cities are still really small and I'm way behind in science, but they should grow a lot now that they just finished libraries and NC, and the cities I captured have very nice food. Neither Japan nor Songhai are very strong right now due to fighting each other most of the game, and Ethiopia is stuck behind mountains with 3 cities, and I have a DOF with them.

that peace deal is making things look pretty good right now, but there is still a long way to go
 
There were no dramatic changes since the patch that stop sub 200 science wins.

Except the fix for RAs giving way too much beakers sometimes. Also I'm not sure if the RAs were cancelled due to RA partner's denouncing before the patch.
 
There were no dramatic changes since the patch that stop sub 200 science wins.

Lol!

The patch changed everything, the AI can actually hurt you nowdays. Defence is needed.

Your 745 science at turn 200 is indeed impressive on this map. On another map with another civ, it would not necessarily be.
 
I am replaying the map again. I am going for domination victories always because that is he most fun I think.

I "only" have 545 science at turn 200. Compared to his 745 science at turn 200. I admit 745 is very high ,but I do puppets, and have recently captured cities that is not producing science yet. And I have the full honor tree, more money yield, more culture, more money in the bank and higher score.
 

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The patch changed everything, the AI can actually hurt you nowdays. Defence is needed.

The best defense is a good offense. I'm starting to think you have to fight the AI every game for best results. Thats why there are UUs and the Honor tree.
 
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