SGOTM 21 - Fifth Element
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Resource trades:
Cancel deer to Mansa
Spices to Mansa for sheep. WE WILL STILL HAVE SPICES AS STATED ABOVE!!!!
Corn to Mao for Wine WE WILL STILL HAVE CORN, LIKE SPICES!!!!
Crab to Mao for Sugar
Cancel deer to Mansa
Spices to Mansa for sheep. WE WILL STILL HAVE SPICES AS STATED ABOVE!!!!
Corn to Mao for Wine WE WILL STILL HAVE CORN, LIKE SPICES!!!!
Crab to Mao for Sugar
Not worth it - 2T Edu.
It may be better to work Scientists in Rocky for pacifism benefit, not the mines, then switch back once we get OR. However, it may not! I am unsure.
Anyway, this is the right time to choose the final strategy and victory condition.
In theory, we can take both Toku and Mao and please Liz (luxs of the world), gift summerpalace to Isa, and take control of resources going domination, right? Anyone eager to estimate, how many turns it will take to "take Mao"?
In case of diplo, Mao is a sure opponnent unless we make some mixing :]
In theory, we can take both Toku and Mao and please Liz (luxs of the world), gift summerpalace to Isa, and take control of resources going domination, right? Anyone eager to estimate, how many turns it will take to "take Mao"?
In case of diplo, Mao is a sure opponnent unless we make some mixing :]
FYI, in test game, I met Catherine, gave her 5 
, and I got +4 diplo bonus.
, and I got +4 diplo bonus.
zbgayumn
Emperor
The strategic resource one for Kate should be avoided if possible. Aluminum won't be revealed until Industrialism. We could get lucky, or we could get screwed.
The military parade still seems like the most bearable of 3 bad options for her.
Updated trades:
deer cancel to MM
Spice to MM for 5 gold
Corn to Mao for Wine
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We have possible deer trade (but Rocky fe. is at health cap)
Can trade it with Louis for Wheat (so gain _1 health). Louis and MM are worst enemies).
Also crab possible to Mao: 2 gpt, sheep or Sugar - which one choose?
deer cancel to MM
Spice to MM for 5 gold
Corn to Mao for Wine
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We have possible deer trade (but Rocky fe. is at health cap)
Can trade it with Louis for Wheat (so gain _1 health). Louis and MM are worst enemies).
Also crab possible to Mao: 2 gpt, sheep or Sugar - which one choose?
zbgayumn
Emperor
"Unknown" leaders are Toku and Kate.
More screenies: Rivals
Mali (Cap settled directly on gold, stupid AI - this is our "charismatic leader")
Spain
England
China
France
Japan (not met, Chinese map)
Russia (not kmet, Chinese map)
Zululand and the Netherlands
Mali (Cap settled directly on gold, stupid AI - this is our "charismatic leader")
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Spain
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England
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China
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France
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Japan (not met, Chinese map)
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Russia (not kmet, Chinese map)
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Zululand and the Netherlands
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Plan until next great person
Goals: Contact Toku and Kate
Settler + Jud missionairy heading to spanish desert.
1 turn of 100% research, then 0% (should be enough to get Unis, if not, the lowest % possible.
Still t128
Worker from Spicy to Gally
Tile switching: Corny: farm--> plainfarm
Stag: mine --> farm
Workers:
- near Gemini - finishes farm, then chops grass forest into Uni in Gemini, than cottage
other workers seem to be rather obvious
- near Shine - cottage, then goes to connect deer near BP
- workers ready to finish chops to Oxford: hillforest, riverside forest
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General plan for longer period:
settle for 2 hills on desert
Improve relations with Spain
Do not declare on Louis until Summerpalace is ready to be gifted (Isa will join war)
Prepare navals for invasion for Mids
Take France then maybe partially Spain (if the goal will be achieved) - prepare for UN gifting
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Cities to start unis ASAP
BP - whipped specialist
Shine - slowbuild
Beaver - whipped coast tiles
Corny - whipped
2 more among: Rocky, Spicy, Gemini --> proposals?
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Possible GPeople:
GM: partially bulb PPress? Transport to Paris?
GS - Academy in Shine
GE - keep for UN
Goals: Contact Toku and Kate
Settler + Jud missionairy heading to spanish desert.
1 turn of 100% research, then 0% (should be enough to get Unis, if not, the lowest % possible.
Still t128
Worker from Spicy to Gally
Tile switching: Corny: farm--> plainfarm
Stag: mine --> farm
Workers:
- near Gemini - finishes farm, then chops grass forest into Uni in Gemini, than cottage
other workers seem to be rather obvious
- near Shine - cottage, then goes to connect deer near BP
- workers ready to finish chops to Oxford: hillforest, riverside forest
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General plan for longer period:
settle for 2 hills on desert
Improve relations with Spain
Do not declare on Louis until Summerpalace is ready to be gifted (Isa will join war)
Prepare navals for invasion for Mids
Take France then maybe partially Spain (if the goal will be achieved) - prepare for UN gifting
------
Cities to start unis ASAP
BP - whipped specialist
Shine - slowbuild
Beaver - whipped coast tiles
Corny - whipped
2 more among: Rocky, Spicy, Gemini --> proposals?
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Possible GPeople:
GM: partially bulb PPress? Transport to Paris?
GS - Academy in Shine
GE - keep for UN
pigswill
fly (one day)
Building Stinky on the incense east of Salamanca might be the best gift city site for Isabella.
Tokyo (or a new city 1NE) looks tempting, for that matter all of Japan looks tempting with no colonial expenses.
Alternatively give Japan a cheapo tech for OB when we meet, import Judaism, capture Tokyo, build UN there then return it once UN is built is another option.
edit: is it worth building Jewish and Hindu monasteries to give us missionary option without OR?
another edit: there may be peaceful creative solutions to acquire ivory, silver and wine near China.
Tokyo (or a new city 1NE) looks tempting, for that matter all of Japan looks tempting with no colonial expenses.
Alternatively give Japan a cheapo tech for OB when we meet, import Judaism, capture Tokyo, build UN there then return it once UN is built is another option.
edit: is it worth building Jewish and Hindu monasteries to give us missionary option without OR?
another edit: there may be peaceful creative solutions to acquire ivory, silver and wine near China.
Sounds good. Go ahead anytime.
Bad news: still no scientist for Academy
Good news: but an engineer
Good news: Liz has built an AP for Hinduism. Nice of her
Bad news: Louis has built Shwedagon Peya
Good news: Not in Mids city, but still on that island
Bad news - Isa got the desert coast, but we still can set up a weak city there
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Urgent:
How to open borders with Toku? Made contact this turn, is Drama - 10 gold enough or sth else? (Hopefully to spread hindu/jud there)
Good news: but an engineer
Good news: Liz has built an AP for Hinduism. Nice of her
Bad news: Louis has built Shwedagon Peya
Good news: Not in Mids city, but still on that island
Bad news - Isa got the desert coast, but we still can set up a weak city there
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Urgent:
How to open borders with Toku? Made contact this turn, is Drama - 10 gold enough or sth else? (Hopefully to spread hindu/jud there)
Possible Summmerpalaces:
1S from where judaist miss is standing
1E from gems - the most food and hammers (9 food, 6 hammers, +1 grow, max useful size 4)
(both inland)
directly on gems
Hammers needed for summerpalace: 380 (50 walls + 100 castle + 150 groc + 80 odeon).
Only whipping without gran make sense there (4pop-->2 pop?). OR is the only bonus possible (temple whip as soon as possible for more hammers?)
Growth 1->2 5 turns, 2->3 5 turns, 3 ->4 7 turns
The main question: is it possible to raise diplo standings till +3 with border pression? (comom war with Louis using AP resolution?) I really start to think Singles may be easier
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How do you see the chances of religious instead of diplo? (just make sure Kate and maybe China will be Hindu and Willem likes us more than Liz?) - one less tech to tech and eng burnt for Christo?
1S from where judaist miss is standing
1E from gems - the most food and hammers (9 food, 6 hammers, +1 grow, max useful size 4)
(both inland)
directly on gems
Hammers needed for summerpalace: 380 (50 walls + 100 castle + 150 groc + 80 odeon).
Only whipping without gran make sense there (4pop-->2 pop?). OR is the only bonus possible (temple whip as soon as possible for more hammers?)
Growth 1->2 5 turns, 2->3 5 turns, 3 ->4 7 turns
The main question: is it possible to raise diplo standings till +3 with border pression? (comom war with Louis using AP resolution?) I really start to think Singles may be easier
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How do you see the chances of religious instead of diplo? (just make sure Kate and maybe China will be Hindu and Willem likes us more than Liz?) - one less tech to tech and eng burnt for Christo?
pigswill
fly (one day)
Religious seems quite tempting. If Liz and Will adopt their favourite civic of FR that will help. It might be worth settling in Spain to have a city that we convert to Hindu then gift to Isabella. A potential problem is Liz researching mass media before we complete all our objectives. We still have to tech up to radio, combustion and industrialisation. R&R is more feasible with a spare GE and no UN.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Its a bit quiet. Summerpalace/Hindu gift 1E of gems. Gift drama to Toku. OR at end of GA.
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