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GPS before Hawky obviously.

NEW POLICY

There's been a reload scandal in another game.

Please do not replay any turns which include a combat round. I'm ok with people reloading to fix stupid micro mistakes or stuff like mistakes when making worker moves.

If I suspect anyone is reloading in one of my games (or anyone else does and informs me about it) - I'll kick them from the game.

ParadigmShifter said:

GPS before Hawky obviously.

NEW POLICY

There's been a reload scandal in another game.

Please do not replay any turns which include a combat round. I'm ok with people reloading to fix stupid micro mistakes or stuff like mistakes when making worker moves.

If I suspect anyone is reloading in one of my games (or anyone else does and informs me about it) - I'll kick them from the game.

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Ok I vacant my position in this game; what you call a "reload scandal" is a way of playing that a lot of people, including me, use; I rather call it making use of the possibilities each round by changing orders in which I move my units. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who plays this way.

Some examples why I believe this:
- I've been playing games in which I had a stack of units that were wiped the next turn and my opponent had no significant losses
- I've (almost) never seen an opponent lose units without a strategy behind it (like offering one unit so another will survive)

When you call it a "reload scandal" it's like accusing me off cheating and I'm fed up with that !

Please let me know which games you lead so I can vacant these too.

Paradigm,

please let us be reasonable and not let this thing get too far out of hand.

As I said I am convinced that Deztro is not cheating.
He was very open to me that he did reload and that a lot of people do that. He just said to me that it is common for a lot of old time civvers to reload in a PBEM.

And I think this may very well be the case.

I try to get a clear picture of what goes and what doesn't go. and it is clear yours (Paradigm) is different from Deztro's.


The only thing I know is the following:
if both of us would have been reloading in the game at hand (The Next Empire) then the result would have been different AND if both of us weren't reloading: same thing.

What I can't live with is that one of us did, and the other didn't. With the result that my entire army is gone, while he has minimal losses, while the odds were against him..

SO: if people agree within a game to either allow or disallow reloading around military / exploratory issues then the rules are clear..

But it is not necessary to depict Deztro as a cheater, he didn't deserve that..

I agree with Deztro. Most often I have no time for reloading but some times I do it. For me it is no cheating.

Ahhh ... this is a specific "PBEM-style exploit" ... but almost any variant of multiplayer ( like double-move in Pitboss/Non-synchronized games ).

I should admit that I don't have a clear opinion on this - but, for example, I didn't reload after my scout found only a bunch of gold in a hut.

Best regards,

Ioan

The use of "reload scandal" was more tongue in cheek than anything.

I'm just saying reloading is not to be done in this game, OK.

I'm happy for Deztro to continue playing.

I just had an interesting discussion with Calanthian. He shared his vision and I shared mine. Calanthian, as a relative newcomer to the PBEM scene, was convinced reloading wasn't allowed. Me, on the other hand, have been playing while using reloads as I see fit since the 1st day I've played PBEM-games. As far as i know, this has never had that been a problem for other players (and like I said, I know several other players do it too, without naming them, and I don't make a problem about it).

It's the same situation with the use of anabolic stereoids in the bodybuilding scene; no one admits he uses them, but to become the best, you simply have to use them. Another example is no guy watches porn on the internet but when you see their temporary internet files you'll see that.... erm... never mind.

I don't say everybody reloads but when I make an educated guess, I think 50-70 percent makes reloads when thing goes wrong. With that in mind, I simply can't agree with the rule that reloads are forbidden, because for me that's admitting that I "played the bad way". I'll step out the games where players has this opinion.

Ofcourse I want to do this in a nice way so I propose that I open the last turn, change the leader name to a generic one, remove the password and sent it to the game-hoster. Another option is that I change my CIV to AI.

I'll make this posting in every thread I'm playing in, to get your games moving fast again, please let the person that plays as the host of this game make a decision about the rules and if reloading isn't allowed drop me a PB so I can mail the turn with password removed to them. If on the other hand, the opinion is that reloading isn't a problem I'll be happy to stay and bash in your skulls

So let's vote. Like I said for me it is not a problem. If Deztro want to play such way I will have no bad feelings with it.

If we agree what the game rule is, I have no problem at all.. (either way)

The point in the other game (Next Empire) was that Deztro was playing with Replay and I was playing without..

and in war that's a problem..

I don't see why Deztro should leave, especially now Paradigm has said that his comments might be a case of too much too soon..

Onwards.

I don't see why Deztro just can't agree to play without reloading?

ParadigmShifter said:

Onwards.

I don't see why Deztro just can't agree to play without reloading?

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Sure, I can agree without reloading, but I'm convinced that other people still do the reload trick (note: I don't say anyone in this particular game does that).
In the end, this game offers the functionality to do reloads during the turn and it isn't controllable so people will use it.

Glad we can continue..

are we moving again??

* Frasco is prepared to take over Deztro's position.

* Where are we with the turn??

* Mîtiu Ioan did you already send your turn to Deztro?

Har Har Har... all tremble before the might of Vigo!!!

Welcome Frasco / Vigo, thanks for taking over!

Yea hello again Frasco and welcome.

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