Who should be the Civ Leaders in a Colonial America mod?

I need to know who should be the civs and their leaders for a 1450-1700 Colonial/Imperialism mod of the Carribbean.

Right now I'm thinking:New Civs

Aztecs
Iroquois
Incas - Leader?
Cherokee - Sequoia

Portuguese-Prince Henry the Navigator
Spanish- King Ferdinand/Isabella or King Philip?
Dutch- Leader?
English-Elizabeth
French-Henry IV or Louis XIV?

Privateers(Better name suggestions? - Brotherhood of the Coast)- Leader?

Any other civs/leader ideas.

I hate to seem demanding but I really need input and images or image links to leaders as I need to get all the leaderhead flics and pcx.s done by Firaxis deadline on August 9.

I feel that this is a period that a lot of people might enjoy 'Mod'ing and wanted to make some nice animated graphics for. As there were other conflicts in this era: Hundred Years war, Hapsburgs, etc. Feel to free to suggest other civs and leaders.

The Dutch had a famous one legged man. I can't remember his name. King Ferdinand is good for the spanish, phillip the second ruled at the same time as EIR. Isabella was just a queen, not the ruler. montezuma was the aztec leader (montezuma's revenge) privateers were commonly backed by nations. the most famous of all pirates was Sir Francis Drake, EIR's favorite pirate.

I think we all know who should be the leader of the pirates... right, Schmitty?

Originally posted by Michael York
The Dutch had a famous one legged man. I can't remember his name. King Ferdinand is good for the spanish, phillip the second ruled at the same time as EIR. Isabella was just a queen, not the ruler. montezuma was the aztec leader (montezuma's revenge) privateers were commonly backed by nations. the most famous of all pirates was Sir Francis Drake, EIR's favorite pirate.

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I plan on leaving England, Aztecs, and Iroquois alone and concentrate on the civs not available yet, since there's only two weeks to work with.

Alas, my fantasy mod was declared DOA when they announced the deadline, and all my beautiful greatsword and dragon animations were retired...

Originally posted by sween32
I think we all know who should be the leader of the pirates... right, Schmitty?

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While an animated Captain Hook would probably be rather easy to make, I'd probably get sued by Disney.

I'd thought about Cpt Morgan but he's more of a British Great Leader. I'm sure there were infamous pirates that didn't sail under anyone's flag.....Blackbeard?

In case you haven't realized it I'm trying to make this sort of a cross between Sid Meier's Pirates! and Sid Meier's Colonization.

You submitting it to Firaxis for PTW? Sorry, I don't know much about it. I haven't been paying much attention to news lately. Hell, I don't even have the new patch yet. I'd send some files but I'm sure none of mine will be excepted. My units aren't really usefull except for personal use, and Ike wouldn't be excepted because he's just 2d... although he is cool as hell

This sounds like a cool mod. I'll look into some Pirates for you to use. A Captain Hook leaderhead would be cool. You could have the alligator in the water in the background licking his chops!

For the Netherlands, you could use William of Orange. His naval forces were know as the "Sea Beggers." Though they were the foundation of a national navy, in the beginning, they functioned very much like privateers with letters of marque. The Spanish king at this time was Phillip II. A neat UU unit for the Spainish could be the Terciariary. They were the finest infantry of their time. This is all around 1572 A.D. Also, Elizabeth is on the English throne. Hope this helps.

Originally posted by Polaris
For the Netherlands, you could use William of Orange. His naval forces were know as the "Sea Beggers." Though they were the foundation of a national navy, in the beginning, they functioned very much like privateers with letters of marque. The Spanish king at this time was Phillip II. A neat UU unit for the Spainish could be the Terciariary. They were the finest infantry of their time. This is all around 1572 A.D. Also, Elizabeth is on the English throne. Hope this helps.

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Help me out here, cause I don't want to seem to be an ignorant American .

Netherlands and the Dutch would represent the same nationality would they not. I know there's several nationstates that tend to get confused by people and some people take it kind of personal, ie Belgium, Flanders, etc.

For the Incas I think you should use Pachacuti as a leader. He expanded the Incas to an imperial size civilization, only a short time before the spaniards arrived.

Other good candidates is his son, Topa Inca, who also was a great leader whom expanded the area. Manco Capac was their first leader, the legendary founder of Cuzco. Atahuallpa was the one Francisco Pizarro met, but he had just resently gained control over the incas after waging a civil war against Huascar, his brother.

I think you should find a leader here.

As one ignorant American to another, Netherlands is the place name and Dutch is the name of the inhabitants and the name of their language. I hope I didn't offend any Dutch readers with that.

Originally posted by Athelstane
For the Incas I think you should use Pachacuti as a leader. He expanded the Incas to an imperial size civilization, only a short time before the spaniards arrived.

Other good candidates is his son, Topa Inca, who also was a great leader whom expanded the area. Manco Capac was their first leader, the legendary founder of Cuzco. Atahuallpa was the one Francisco Pizarro met, but he had just resently gained control over the incas after waging a civil war against Huascar, his brother.

I think you should find a leader here.

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Wow, Leader ideas and a Great Leader list!

Thanks!

Another possible Inca ruler could be Tupac Amaru II. He led the indigenous resistance against the Spanish in the Inca area in the 17th century. If I'm not completely mistaken, he even called himself "Inca", i.e. Emperor.

Maybe that would better reflect the Incan situation in the colonial era.

Originally posted by Nahuixtelotzin
Another possible Inca ruler could be Tupac Amaru II. He led the indigenous resistance against the Spanish in the Inca area in the 17th century. If I'm not completely mistaken, he even called himself "Inca", i.e. Emperor.

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If I remember correctly he didn't last for very long, basically leading a failed rebellion after the Spanish had appointed their own choice for the Incan emperor.

I'm probably going to use Atahuallpa, as I have a picture of him and players can rename him to the leader they prefer.

Here's what I'm leaning towards:
NATIVE CIVS
Mayas-Pacal
Aztecs(NO CHANGE)
Iroquois(NO CHANGE)
Incas - Atahualpa
Cherokee - Sequoyah

EUROPEAN CIVS
Portuguese-Prince Henry the Navigator
Spanish- King Philip-He took a more active part in harvesting the Americas
Dutch- William of Orange
English-(NO CHANGE)
French-Louis XIV-the Sun King- Oh my word I started working on him at lunch and I about fell out of my chair I was having so much fun! Hmmm how much BIGGER can I make his hair? Although at first he bore an amazing resemblence to Beethoven!

OTHER CIVS
"Brothers of the Coast"- Edward "Blackbeard" Teach

The Far East-No Leader I plan on setting a non player civ to represent the spices, etc. the Spanish brought to Mexico form the Indies.

That's 10(11) civs altogether. Other possibles:

"Marooners" similiar to Brothers of the Coast but would add a second pirate civ.


Anyone know of/or willing to make additional naval units for this. You will get full credit for any units you make. I currently play to rename the Man Of War a WarGalleon for this scenario.

Other concepts. Only Native Civs will be allowed to build settlers/ form new settlements European and Pirate civs will have to take them!

Want to set the corruption so that the European civs will have to build most of their units overseas. The Pirates will have their 'capital' in the carribbean so it shouldn't be a problem for them.

Default captured unit will be a captive. That's what the Europeans will get when they capture a Native settler.

All of the Carribbean will be coastal and sea with a narrow strip of ocean tiles seperating Europe from the Carribbean. I'll up the movement cost of ocean squares to 4 or something to make it take the European players a while to ship stuff back and forth.

Ideas or suggestions?

GhengisFarb, do you need some names for a great leaders list for the Dutch civ? If so, I'll post some when I get home from work.

Originally posted by Polaris
GhengisFarb, do you need some names for a great leaders list for the Dutch civ? If so, I'll post some when I get home from work.

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YES! Anybody just feel free to throw stuff at me cause I ain't got a lot of time to work on it!

New idea make ALL ships have a chance to sink in ocean (not a great chance) since even frigates and galleons were lost at sea on the voyage across the Atlantic.

Need to come up with something the Europeans have to haul back to Europe.

Rum? that whole triangle trade thing. Sugar---> Rum----> Slaves----> Sugar----> Rum, you get the idea. This would require new resouce icons. Also, I think the British used American timber for their ships quite extensively until the supply was cut off

Originally posted by Polaris
Rum? that whole triangle trade thing. Sugar---> Rum----> Slaves----> Sugar----> Rum, you get the idea. This would require new resouce icons. Also, I think the British used American timber for their ships quite extensively until the supply was cut off

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I'm thinking of using the Modern Settler as a special unit that you produce at your new world colonies then you have to haul it back to the Old World where it can be upgraded to something useful.

Concept still in the rough....

Okay, here are some names for great leaders for the Dutch civ:

1. De Ruyter;

2. Tromp;

3. Kortenaer;

4. Hoorn;

5. Hoogstraeten

6. Egmont.

Not all of these cats might deserve to be known as "great" leaders, but they were leaders none the less and can fill in until somebody comes up with some better suggestions.

Originally posted by Polaris
Okay, here are some names for great leaders for the Dutch civ:
1. De Ruyter;
2. Tromp;
3. Kortenaer;
4. Hoorn;
5. Hoogstraeten
6. Egmont.

Not all of these cats might deserve to be known as "great" leaders, but they were leaders none the less and can fill in until somebody comes up with some better suggestions.

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Do Dutch people only have one name?