Dramatically improved World Map

satyajedi

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As with the thread below, this is a new 256 x 256 World Map to correct some of the glaring failures of the origional map. In particular,

- Japan is now in East Asia, as opposed to South East Asia, and is now four islands rather than two.
- Hawaii and Alaska have been greatly reduced in size.
- New Zealand exists, as does Taiwan.
- The Arabian pennisula is now well defined.
- Europe is far larger, with room for several major powers, and is also much better defined. Italy is no longer the flaccid penis of Europe, but a well defined boot. Ireland is more than three forest squares criptically misplaced due North of England. France and Spain don't suck quite so much. Greece has it's own presence and is not connected to Asia Minor. The Mediteranean now has islands; Sicily, Corsica, Crete, Sardina.
- The Milddle East is completely reworked.
-South Africa, which before was a bizarrely sharpened edge to the contininent, is now appropriately round.
- Mexico and Central American have been redone; the Carribean is now more or less accurate.
- North America is larger and more, well, interesting. The Rockies no longer extend to the Pacific Coast, so that western cities such as LA, Seattle and the Bay area are possible. The Northeast is both large enough and resource-filled enough to allow for several major cities. Florida is no longer quite as hideously ugly, I even sort of have a Okechobe eye in Florida.
- South East Asia, likewise, is better defined, and the archipeligo of Indonesia is much better off.
- North Africa (above the Sahara) is now habitable land
- all the starting locations are accurate. That is not to say that the right civilization will be in the right place, but the sixteen starting places reflect the sixteen civilizations (this was not possible in the earlier map in which England, Italy and Japan barely existed). No Civilizations will start in Australia, for example, or South America. This creates a contrast between areas that will logically have major civilizations and areas that probably will go through most of the game without being controlled, simply because nobody is near them. As a result, a colonial period seems logical, if the game plays out the way I suspect it will, particularly in Indonesia, South America, and Australia.
- Many of the strategic resources have been rearranged to encourage colonialism (for example, most of the spice and rubber is away from any major civilization, so that overseas colonies are a necessity). Almost all the oil outside the middle east has been removed, to force the importance of that area. Also, many goods suchs as wheat or cattle have been arranged not in an attempt to make the map historically accurate, but rather to encourage large cities in major city areas such as New York, London, Tokyo, Shanghai, etc.
-Large numbers of barbarian villages have been placed in areas where famous or particularly devastating invading hordes came from, such as Mongolia and Central Asia. All worthwhile potential colonial possessions (such as Indonesia) now have a barbarian village to represent the indigeounous population of those areas.

To do this, I had to do some somewhat geographically unrealistic things. The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are both considerably smaller than they once were (although neither is big enough to cross without an oceanworthy vessel, except at the Bering Straight, which is all that matters gameplay-wise). Europe and North Africa has probably been elongated in order to allow civ games to be historically accurate (if not literally geographically accurate). Furthermore, Central Asia has been sort of squashed between the dramatically rebuilt continents of Europe and Asia.

Likewise, because of other elements of gameplay or just design flaws, there are a few other mistakes I know of. Japan is positioned correctly relative to Korea, but is now incorrect relative to the United States -- it's too far North, and the prospect of moving all of Eurasia south was just too much to bother with that mistake. Australia is now directly South of Papua New Guinea, as opposed to Southeast, and New Zealand is a tad confusing -- it's on the other side of the map from Australia. The Iriquois starting space is farther west than it should be, but their real starting space is too close to Washington DC in my mind.

But also, a lot of the issues beyond coastline, for example, where jungles, forests and grasslands should be on the map I was quite unsure of, especially in India, sub-Saharan Africa, East Asia, and Australia. Still, I hope you'll find this to be what I've designed it to be: the map most conducive to a historically accurate game of Civilization.

I'm really hoping to get some feedback from others on this map, to see how well it plays and how accurate these things are. So send me a line to give me your thoughts to satyanotwar@aol.com. Thanks a lot, and enjoy the map.

-Satya
 
Great work! :goodjob: Well done!

Idea: If it isn't easy to make the civs selectably start in their correct location, could sixteen scenarios be posted (one for each civ) that starts each civ in their correct location (as well as the others)?

For example, I just started a game on the new Satya map as England :king: and started in England (1 in 16 chance, eh?).

Kindest regards,

Oogie

:crazyeyes :)
 
Oh absolutely well done! SO much better than the default! Now incase I start out on the Japanese islands, I won't be limited to 2 cities, which is probably why the Japanese only really started to modernize around the 1800's. But yeah! It's just excellent! Great work! :D
 
I haven't got my copy of Civ 3 yet, but reading the list of 'fixes', I am disgusted that the original map didn't even include new zealand or taiwan, but still had Hawaii, and had it larger than it actually is. The need for other changes make it sound like the original drawing was based on a finger painting of someone who didn't have an atlas to work off, although had "seen" a map of the world. Once. A few years ago.

I mean, we've all heard the stories of the US college graduates who can't locate the US on a world map, but this was a person who was given the specific task of replicating the world map for goodness sake!
 
You made a great work!
Though I think it could be done much more geographic accurate:
- Europe's longest river, Volga is missing
- Europe's second river, Danube is also missing
- no need so much river in France
- Rheine is come from Alpes
- Caspian See is greater than Black see
- the Caucasus Mountains (between them) are Mountains (over 4000 m)
- Turkey is mainly mountains and hills
- Kongo, Zambezi are missing
- Atacama, the driest desert (in Chile) is missing
- Mekong is missing
- in Indonesia there are high Mountains, like Krakaoa volcano

If you need help, I will edit them and send you the modified map.

mikellos
 
Dear friend,

Your map os simply the best until the moment.
But If I may suggest a few changes:
- Brazil has an arid region in it´s northeast section called "Sertão"
- Venzuela is rich on oil
- Swedish nation is rich on iron (remember that Germany was dependent on their iron during WWII)
- Spain is rich on metals (remember the swords of Toledo).

That all for the moment. I´ll try to help you a little bit more as soon as possible.

keep doing an excellent job!!!!


"Panzer rollen Afrika vor!"
:goodjob:
 
I personally cannot (still) view the map, cause I (still :mad: ) don't have civ 3.

I was wondering, though, if the Portuguese islands in the atlantic ocean, Açores (Azores) and Madeira are there?

One cannot ignore the extremely strategic value of the Azores islands both in naval and air force. US has a air base there and uses it fuel their planes en route to europe and asia.


Trancas
 
Originally posted by Magellan
Post it in the tiny size, please!

:egypt: You've done a great job to improve the original world map.

There's one more bug---Taiwan should be mountainous...
 
Satyajedi u have ****ed up scandinavia, and england is far smaller than finland or sweden fs. And i think sweden doesnt have so much mountains and for finland we dont live in tundra. fix it thx. /:
 
Wow, pretty picky, aren't we?

I was going to ask about the Fji Islands, Tonga, Solomon Islands and the other 10,000+ Islands of the Pacific, but I suppose that would take forever. :crazyeyes
 
Great Job!

Just one thing. Where is Cyprus? You have included Crete, but not Cyprus which is bigger.
 
Hi, thanks a lot, I kind of use it all the time.

Nevertheless :

- Cyprus (eastern Meditteranean)
- Oil in Algerian Sahara, some in Lybia
- Europe was pretty much a large forest even uder the Roman empire
-Incense in Western Arabia (the road to incense of the queen of Saba started from there)
- Gems in the Sinai + the Sinai
- Gold in Egypt Eastern desert and in Nubia (the only African civilization was the kingdom of Sudan (stretching all south of the Sahara based on gold)
- Spices (pepper) in Sichuan (part of Eastern CHina enclosed in the mountains) and a LOT of Indonesia
- France has iron on the East and Coal in the North
- Low Mountains between France and Germany (hills would do) : Schwarzwald and Vosges
- Aluminium in France (between Rhone and Provence)
- if elephant really is ivory, I would not mind seeing some in Scandinavia (they were a good source of ivory from the sea-lions) and Groenland (which is not so green anymore)
- barbarians in Arabia (2 or 3) and in the Lybian desert as well as 1 in Scandinavia. One in Tibet (they were not always so peaceful), in Burma (same ethnic group), two in Korea and Vietnam (for there is nobody there)
- Australian desert basically is aluminium.
- Oil in Norway and Scotland (replacing the one in the North sea)
- Oil in the Caucase (between Black Sea and Caspienne) which is a high mountain area (that protected Armenia).
- Wine all around the Medditerrenean (before Islam, wine was the basic with olive and wheat).
- furs along Russian rivers and American Great Lakes
- coal in Northern Spain, iron in South-East

That is all for now. Sorry if it is long but I think it is better you finish it. Of course some infos might get into conflicts with others but this is just information.

Regards and thanks again.
 
Sorry, me again but I forgot to copy a few things

The Klahari desert is closer to the Atlantic, Zimbabwe is quite fertile
- one jungle in Mozambique (Indian ocean) and some forests
- Madagascar is not just jungle
- oil in Nigeria, Gabon
- Gold in Nigeria
- Oil in Venezuela
- North Africa (Algeria) is very fertile, even if limited in size, south you have atlas mountains then Sahara (oil and gas)
- fish ressources in Mauritania (a lot), Norway, off Newfoundland and Quebec, one between Sicily and Italy (tuna) otherwise not so many in the Med, some in the Caspienne (caviar), whales of Japan (north), Alaska, Australia (West coast).

I have got a problem with Horses for they come from central Asia but unlike most ressources they can be bred anywhere with lands
 
I have downloaded this map. Not yet tried it though. However, there´s lots of people complaining about rivers, recources and other stuff.
Shame on them!
Come on, make your own maps if your not happy!
I must say when I first looked at it I found out that Sweden and Finland didn´t barley exist. So instead of coming here and cry like a baby, I made my own change. Easy peasy, japanese...
So I suggest if all you critics want to leave suggestions, say so. Don´t just complain.
Otherwise, change the map yourself!

So here are a suggestion for next worldmap.
Sweden is bigger than Norway and do not only consist of mountains. Especially not in the south and southeast.
The bay south of Finland is much narrower, wich gives the outlook of Finland better realism.
Norway can be made smaller. The norweigens don´t live out in the sea...

But since I made the changes on my own, it´s not a neccesaty, just a thought for you.
 
Passon mentioned:

"I have downloaded this map. Not yet tried it though. However, there´s lots of people complaining about rivers, recources and other stuff.
Shame on them! ..."

I think bugs have been reported only to notify players interested
in a more precise world map not to complain about how muh not yet completed.I have already modified it myslef,but attaching little modified versios would be wasting server hardware space.

Satyajedi has done very well, and has helped us a lot.
I just don't understand why passon is so angry.If you don't care about trivial bugs,it's ok just to leave them there.

Sorry that this not an issue about Civ.:lol:
 
Hey, I have modified his map a little (great work by the way)

- I moved the Urals to the right place
- I added Donau and the Volga
- I placed oil by the Volga river (There was a reason why Hitler wanted to take Stalingrad)
- I made the Caspian sea larger
- I added the Aral lake
- I added oil in Norway, Jutland (part of Denmark), Libya and Venuzuela
- I removed all the mountains in southern Sweden and placed some on the Northern coast of Norway instead
- I made Sweden a bit larger
- I placed iron in Sweden and Norway
- I modified Finland, it is no longer tundra, and it looks more real.
- I modified the Kola peninsula
- I added Novaja Semilja (Islands North of the Ural mountains)
- I placed forest in most of Western Europe
- I added Cyprus
- Greenland is no longer green. I filled it with tundra and also filled the sea above Greenland with tundra because it is not possible to sail north of Greenland. The Southern tip of Greenland is plains and grass. And there no longer is any trees on Greenland :)
- Unfortunately there wasn't space enough to add Iceland :(

I hope you can use it
 

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