Venice and AI

George is Angry · Jul 9, 2013

Has anyone else noticed that an AI Venice doesn't use it's Merchants of Venice to puppet city-states? I gave the AI like 3 just for horsehockys and gigs and it's been 200 turns and they're still just standing there. I even plopped them inside the boundaries of other city-states.

ptoss1 · Jul 9, 2013

Well they ARE Merchants of Venice so...

Probably went on strike, waited for pension to kick in, relaxed, and retired.

Saint Rising · Jul 9, 2013

very possible that the AI doesn't know to use them if you cheated to give them.

Edit: Oh wow, did I make any sense in this post at all?

George is Angry · Jul 9, 2013

What you said makes sense it just wouldn't make sense if it were true. Does that make sense?

Ashbery76 · Jul 9, 2013

I would be surprised that they would not have taught the Venice A.I how the use the mechanic.

Saint Rising · Jul 9, 2013

Either way, I expect a patch to fix the bugs that are natural to pop up. Very soon. Possibly before the day is out.

GoodSarmatian · Jul 9, 2013

If this doesn't get fixed when I get the game I just migh let Venice live when I encounter them...

Edit:
Dammit, this was supposed to go the Venice and AI thread.

Moderator Action: Moved

George is Angry · Jul 9, 2013

Maybe they can't Use them 'til Optics?

krozman · Jul 9, 2013

My first game had Venice, and he used his Great Merchant to take two nearby city states. The ONE THING I was surprised about was that you CANNOT liberate them. It was annex, puppet, or raze.

Iduakil · Jul 9, 2013

Well maybe its a bit primitive, but doesnt the Merchant of Venice is a UU of Venice and so you as a another civ are donating them your Great Merchants, not a Merchant of Venice. Then the Venice AI cant do a thing with Great Merchants other than usuall stuff.

Cymsdale · Jul 9, 2013

krozman said:
My first game had Venice, and he used his Great Merchant to take two nearby city states. The ONE THING I was surprised about was that you CANNOT liberate them. It was annex, puppet, or raze.

Sounds similar to Austria's UA.

Miravlix · Jul 9, 2013

I don't know what the op did wrong to make the unit not work.

In a normal game with AI Venice, it does "buy" city states to expand.

PhilBowles · Jul 9, 2013

George is Angry said:
Has anyone else noticed that an AI Venice doesn't use it's Merchants of Venice to puppet city-states? I gave the AI like 3 just for horsehockys and gigs and it's been 200 turns and they're still just standing there. I even plopped them inside the boundaries of other city-states.

No, it puppetted three of the four in the game I just played, and was quick off the mark doing it too. I'm not sure why it then switched away from merchant production and never annexed Ragusa, though.

My first game had Venice, and he used his Great Merchant to take two nearby city states. The ONE THING I was surprised about was that you CANNOT liberate them. It was annex, puppet, or raze.

Hmm, that I didn't know - I gave up my effort to liberate Ormuz in favour of taking Venice itself.

Ulthwithian · Jul 9, 2013

PhilBowles said:
No, it puppetted three of the four in the game I just played, and was quick off the mark doing it too. I'm not sure why it then switched away from merchant production and never annexed Ragusa, though.

I don't know how fast this is, but Venice can get 3 MoV very quickly.

1) Optics.
2) Open Liberty, get Settler Policy.
3) Finish Libery, choose Great Merchant.

At that point, though, it needs 400 points, I believe, to get another Merchant. That might explain the '3' thing.

Giskler · Jul 9, 2013

In my first test game Venice had bought a city before I even met him.

Ogrelord · Jul 9, 2013

George is Angry said:
Has anyone else noticed that an AI Venice doesn't use it's Merchants of Venice to puppet city-states? I gave the AI like 3 just for horsehockys and gigs and it's been 200 turns and they're still just standing there. I even plopped them inside the boundaries of other city-states.

Great Merchant does not have the ability to purchase a City State.
That unique ability is for Great Merchant of Venice. How is it that you pop 3 Great Merchant of Venice and gave them to Venice?
There are 2 different units..

George is Angry · Jul 9, 2013

Ogrelord said:
Great Merchant does not have the ability to purchase a City State.
That unique ability is for Great Merchant of Venice. How is it that you pop 3 Great Merchant of Venice and gave them to Venice?
There are 2 different units..

Aye, no kidding. Maybe the map's just bugged when I used Reveal All. Guess I'll find out when I finally run into them later if it worked.

fat_tonle · Jul 9, 2013

Wait so you get a settler with Liberty policy? What is the city that settler founds called?

DanPMN · Jul 9, 2013

fat_tonle said:
Wait so you get a settler with Liberty policy? What is the city that settler founds called?

No, Venice gets a Great Merchant of Venice instead of a settler.

fat_tonle · Jul 9, 2013

DanPMN said:
No, Venice gets a Great Merchant of Venice instead of a settler.

Sick... might have to play as them sooner than later...

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