Custer and Indian Wars, an antiheroic genocide?

daft · Jun 22, 2014

Do you agree that the Indian Wars the US waged against Native American tribes were not only unjustifiable but an example of an attempted genocide?

Borachio · Jun 22, 2014

Yes. Next question.

timtofly · Jun 22, 2014

The joys of finding something for the military industrial complex to do. Where was that oil?

Traitorfish · Jun 22, 2014

Borachio said:
Yes. Next question.

Yeah, I'm surprised that we're even talking about this. This was, like, explicit national policy for more than a hundred years.

Tahuti · Jun 22, 2014

Traitorfish said:
Yeah, I'm surprised that we're even talking about this. This was, like, explicit national policy for more than a hundred years.

Natives have attacked our peaceful colony!

Is it worth bringing civilisation to such savages?

Flying Pig · Jun 22, 2014

Traitorfish said:
Yeah, I'm surprised that we're even talking about this. This was, like, explicit national policy for more than a hundred years.

I was more intrigued by 'antiheroic'. Mass murder would add a certain je ne sais quoi to Byron's characterisation.

Joecoolyo · Jun 22, 2014

Is there an argument to be made that the Indian expulsions and wars were acts of ethnic cleansing rather than genocide? And how much overlap is there between the terms?

Gucumatz · Jun 22, 2014

I've read that Custer actually spoke out against campaigns vs. Native Americans while in West Point, so sort of ironic what he ended up being famous for. Soldiers and orders of course

Traitorfish · Jun 22, 2014

Joecoolyo said:
Is there an argument to be made that the Indian expulsions and wars were acts of ethnic cleansing rather than genocide? And how much overlap is there between the terms?

"Ethnic cleansing" really just means localised genocide, and while specific anti-Indian programs may have been localised, the overarching program of expansion to the Pacific assumed the destruction of the American Indian in his entirety. There was never any doubt about that, not even as early as 1776.

Phrossack · Jun 22, 2014

If this was an antiheroic genocide, what exactly is a heroic genocide?

Evie · Jun 22, 2014

Wiping out the orcs from Middle Earth?

(May be a Xenocide, though)

gay_Aleks · Jun 23, 2014

Some fascists/nazis might want to have a word with you, Phrossack.

Phrossack · Jun 23, 2014

Tolni said:
Some fascists/nazis might want to have a word with you, Phrossack.

Good. It's not a bad sign if I'm unpopular with communists, libertarians, capitalists, and fascists.

Krajzen · Jun 23, 2014

Phrossack said:
Good. It's not a bad sign if I'm unpopular with communists, libertarians, capitalists, and fascists.

Add to this list following groups:
- religious fundamentalists
- borderline conspiracy theorists (illuminati theory is tolerated but if someone believes in reptilian people you know he is seriously weird :lol:

)

Also I would replace general term capitalists with objectivists. You know, I am talking about this seriously crazy religion of Ayn Rand.

Wrymouth3 · Jun 23, 2014

I guess some people would consider Ozymandias from Watchmen as committing "heroic" genocide. Unfortunately people also forget to look into the future and realize that world peace would not last forever as Ozymandias so claims, and he's just another super crazy person who's out for his own selfish reasons.

Phrossack · Jun 23, 2014

Krajzen said:
Add to this list following groups:
- religious fundamentalists
- borderline conspiracy theorists (illuminati theory is tolerated but if someone believes in reptilian people you know he is seriously weird )

Also I would replace general term capitalists with objectivists. You know, I am talking about this seriously crazy religion of Ayn Rand.

Honestly, I'd be pleased if I'm opposed by followers of every ideology. They're all failed belief systems in their own little way. I have a good start, being actively disliked by communists, racists, anti-racists, capitalists, feminists, antifeminists, religious fanatics, noisy atheists, libertarians, capitalists, monarchists, democrats, Democrats, Republicans, conspiracy theorists, and others.

Borachio · Jun 23, 2014

You're not opposed by Universalists, let me tell you. Like it or not, we like you.

Traitorfish · Jun 23, 2014

Phrossack said:
Honestly, I'd be pleased if I'm opposed by followers of every ideology. They're all failed belief systems in their own little way. I have a good start, being actively disliked by communists, racists, anti-racists, capitalists, feminists, antifeminists, religious fanatics, noisy atheists, libertarians, capitalists, monarchists, democrats, Democrats, Republicans, conspiracy theorists, and others.

Congratulations, you've achieved the same public status as chronic diarrhoea.

Phrossack · Jun 23, 2014

Traitorfish said:
Congratulations, you've achieved the same public status as chronic diarrhoea.

Environmentalists don't really care for that, though, you charming, friendly fellow.

Not that I'm exactly an environmentalist.

daft · Jun 24, 2014

is being a socialist a crime? (consider myself as one)

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