bigwillystyle
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This looks tasty. Thank you for posting! I chalked CDG#2 up as a fail, but looking forward to this one. Love the achievements
You got MoH, but with only 1 city on turn 35, your game looks like OCC. But anyways, I think this stone circle MoH strat is stupid. No reason to even bother with that useless wonder. You need a reasonable number of cities to get 5k faith for the other achievement without something like DF, and also winning IG/WF. So the plan would be to go for the same domination style CV I've been doing lately. Converting capital cities that I own is easy with inquisitors/GPr, I can even completely remove the holy city status. As in usual, having religious domination is the most difficult part of the achievement on deity.
I'll agree with you, that wonder set my entire game back but I'm running up at four cities now with NC at a decent time. Not sure if I can pull back from the investment (I did say it was ill advised) but I know it's possible to get the MoH
Thanks so much! I feel a little bad about the achievement clarification questions, but I guess sooner is better than later...Welcome to the CDG, I am the caretaker and interim host until further notice.
Just for clarification, can buying GPr be used for this? Obviously, the first two or three should not count.2. Use faith to buy at least 3 great people of the same type (that means stockpile at least 5000 by the end) 3 points
Am I correct to assume that Ideology tenets do not count? If ideology tree counts for this achievement, is getting all three third-tier picks enough? (I am pretty sure a full Ideology tree is 14 picks.) My suggestion would be any twelve tenets and then your Ideology can count as one of the four for this achievement.3. Finish at least 4 social policy trees - 3 points
Is it enough that my religion have more cities (than any other religion), or must it have half (or more) of all cities on the map? Also, typo: “the dominant on” should be “the dominant one on”.4. Make your religion the dominant on the map i.e. have it followed by the majority of cities - 4 points
That did not occur to me until you wrote it. I was (still am, I guess) thinking DOMful CV where one captures the rival Holy Cities. If I am permitted to use 5000+ faith on GPr, that makes the achievements a little more straightforward.Yeah the achievements were accidentally skewed towards ICSing I suppose
I have some experience with this. Your own cities will flip back to Judaism with a single inquisitor bulb, no problem there. That said, I think you are better off using a GPr. I pretty much reserve Inquisitor bulbs for after I take rival Holy Cities -- but it really all depends if I get can get Inquisitors cheaply enough. If inquisitors are less than 4x GPr, then you are better off using a GPr. Except in the special case of use with a rival Holy City, GPr bulb acts exactly like a an inquisitor bulb plus a missionary bulb. IMHO, no reason to hate the idea of converting your cities with your own GPr.I'm not really clear on how strong Inquisitors are - if I use one on Adwa, for example, will it just erase Taoism, or will it actually cause me to flip to my own Judaism? Influence is 5 her to 3 me, both rel at 36 pressure. Axum is going to flip to Judaism any turn now. I hate the idea of having to convert my own dang cities with my own GP.
Nice scrutiny of OP map! I had to triple check to see the coast even after you mentioned it.I want to move that warrior east and see if there is anything on the coast and then move that settler to the hill on the river.
Yes, the river hill is great, but how come no one is settling the coast?
4. A simple majority is enough for this, doesn't need to be 50% of total number of cities on the map, if your religion was in 7 cities and the next one in 6, it scores, ties are not allowed though
Honestly, you are arguing about semantics and political terminology here. And for what it's worth, "majority" here in Belgium means "putting half a dozen parties together to have more votes than others"You actually are contradicting yourself if you consider precise definition of majority.
Maybe in America it has different meaning than English/European, since they only have 2 party systems?
OK, didn't play it because England is not my favorite civ and i was mostly busy trying to win some DCL games back then. However now might be a good time to get the successor of the ICL running and introduce the same side objectives. I also think achievements would work better on Immortal for many players. I've never been the best Deity player and after some time not playing CiV it seems like i'm worse now than i was earlier this year. I always try to get the achievements in those maps and so far i have failed badly. Assyria i stopped playing because no units = no war and no point playing Assyria. Here i tried to get my religion running but despite founding first, taking Pilgrimage, having 8 cities and producing a missionary every 2.5 turns i simply can't stop Rome from spreading everywhere. It doesn't help that my missionaries can't reach AI cities because they have so many units either. And now WC have been founded by China and i'm way behind in production and culture so i don't think i will finish it. It will be way too grindy.Honestly, this game has lost it's attractiveness to me. First by the Deity wonder cheating, now by my blowing the religion and Guild game. No desire to reload yet again, and I don't enjoy Deity much anyway, especially with the base policies. I think the Achievements approach are much better suited to an Immortal game. I did have some achievements in an ICL I created (England), but hardly anybody played it.
If 4 quarries in a religious game aren't enough, I'm not sure what is. Should be able to get quick pantheon and 2nd religion if played correctly.
You actually are contradicting yourself if you consider precise definition of majority.
Maybe in America it has different meaning than English/European, since they only have 2 party systems?
Majority - more than 50%
Plurality - more than any other
So for example, if Taoism has 7 cities, Judaism has 6, Catholicism has 3:
Taoism doesn't have majority, but has plurality, 7/16 is less than 50%
Confusion might also be the alternative names for it, plurality is also called relative majority, or majority, and the majority called absolute/simple majority.
I believe ST wanted Plurality, but I'm not sure.
Those achievements could make an Immortal game more interesting without being overly complicated/tedious/stressfull
I would be willing to help host. Immortal is obviously more forgiving of mistakes, and, IMO, more open to an immersion approach, where you aren't as penalized for diversions. Plus players moving up from lower levels may find it more enjoyable.... However now might be a good time to get the successor of the ICL running and introduce the same side objectives. I also think achievements would work better on Immortal for many players.
...Those achievements could make an Immortal game more interesting without being overly complicated/tedious/stressfull
Don't get me wrong, i think the idea of the CDG is great and it's the main reason i reinstalled CiV on my computer. However, i've stopped playing for some time and i realize i've lost some skill in that time. In addition i've never considered myself a good deity player. I could win deity games more often than loose them, but i never got to the point where i couldn't loose. CDG is great for you but probably CIG would work best for meCould be, but I find that the base deity game to be quite boring. Once I stopped losing deity game, it's just the same thing every games. That's why in most of my later deity games, there are some additional self imposed requirements. These achievements do make the deity challenging, even for me. I agree that the Assyria achievement weren't the best, especially the not building units ones directly contradicts UA/UU.
AckenMod is interesting but really puts a high emphasis on early war and makes the game (much) harder so it's not for everyone. If there is an AckenMod series coming, i can only hope it will not be all Demigod/Immortal games and there will be lower difficulties as well for those of us who didn't reach Acken skill levelI'd rather not hijack this thread - I hope to roll some maps first, and get some ideas (I like to run several tests with Firetuner to watch for imbalances, etc.). I will make a new post at some point to discuss options. Plenty has been written lately (directed towards the CDG mainly), and I think we are assuming that there will be an AckenMod series coming as well.
I might give it one last try deciding not to go for any of the religious achievements as religion on Deity is just broken. Maybe going 4 cities tradition tall would work. Still have to deal with ultra aggressive China and hyper expansionist William + Culture crazy Pachacuti