What are the differences between the terrain textures?

Darth Andrew · Jan 25, 2015

I'm curious as to how Blue Marble is different from Sparth, for instance.

Also, is there an explanation for each map (terra, fractal, etc)?

<Nexus> · Jan 25, 2015

Darth Andrew said:
I'm curious as to how Blue Marble is different from Sparth, for instance.

I think the terrain change feature is broken. At least it doesn't work for me

dbkblk · Jan 25, 2015

@sogroon: That's strange because the screen you have shown to me last time was showing that the process works. Do you have disabled your module to change textures?

@Darth Andrew: Good question. We should take screenshots of differents textures and add them to the website.

<Nexus> · Jan 25, 2015

dbkblk said:
@sogroon: That's strange because the screen you have shown to me last time was showing that the process works. Do you have disabled your module to change textures?

Yes, it was a fresh install.
Now trying again with clclearing the cashe manually. Last time I didn't check if the checker truly cleared it or not.

Rezca · Jan 25, 2015

Darth Andrew said:
I'm curious as to how Blue Marble is different from Sparth, for instance.

Also, is there an explanation for each map (terra, fractal, etc)?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=134226 Has descriptions and pictures detailing every individual option of all the 'stock' mapscripts (Fractal, Highlands, etc)

The Map Scripts forum has threads for other scripts like Tortestra and Planet Generator, though how 'descriptive' their info is might vary. Most seem to have pictures though

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=461262

http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=182

<Nexus> · Jan 26, 2015

So I made some screenshots to show what's wrong:

Original:

AND:

Blue Marble:

Vincentz:

As you see the 4 sets are almost identical.
Peaks are darker in AND.
Marches differ in Vincentz

Alternate (Sprath)

...and how it should look like:

NOTE: Yes, the FPK files are always present as I change it in the checker, but they don't work as they should (for me at least).
Also, I saw one time having TWO fpk files at the same time. Iirc it was Vincentz and Bluemarble after a swicth.

<Nexus> · Jan 26, 2015

A bit different topic:

I noticed that many peoples screenshot shows that they have pretty waves on their water tiles:

Spoiler :

But mine is "just flat" (see post bellow) :confused:

How do I get those?? I have High Detailed terrain and High Level graphics, but...
:confused:

rtt4a · Jan 26, 2015

Sogroon do you use blue marble terrains?

I have noticed those pretty waves too and I wonder if blue marble terrains is reason why I dont have those.

I always choose blue marble when installing new version. I use manditurs nightly upadates.

If you find out how to get those better waves please tell

<Nexus> · Jan 26, 2015

I use BM too, but I don't think that is the reason. Terrain without it is even "uglier ".

rtt4a · Jan 26, 2015

I checked all installed mods I have and find out that RFC Dawn of Civilization have those nice waves. I take water.dds file in art/terrain path and replaced the one that blue marble uses with that and voila we have new waves

<Nexus> · Jan 26, 2015

rtt4a said:
I checked all installed mods I have and find out that RFC Dawn of Civilization have those nice waves. I take water.dds file in art/terrain path and replaced the one that blue marble uses with that and voila we have new waves

Woa! Good job! Thx! :goodjob:

I will try it tomorrow.
I think I will add them to Alternative Terrain too.

dbkblk · Jan 26, 2015

It is included into the "A New Dawn" set which you show as a screenshot (#7). Blue Marble doesn't have it in the original set.

<Nexus> · Jan 27, 2015

dbkblk said:
It is included into the "A New Dawn" set which you show as a screenshot (#7). Blue Marble doesn't have it in the original set.

Screenshot #7 is not mine, but Vokarya's.
Screenshot #2 (AND) does not show those waves though:

Spoiler :

Do you have different results than mine? :confused:

BTW. Did you work only with .dds files or xml-s too? Because Sprath's version included edited xml files too, which I had to further edit to work properly in AND :mischief:

rtt4a · Jan 27, 2015

Heres picture of new waves with blue marble and I also added islands from RI mod.
I think islands give nice touch

Btw @45 and other developers if you read this thread..
AI seems to be doing lot worst eternity game speed than snail speed. I have run dozens of test games with AI autoplay and some reason AI is building more cities with snail speed.

Some civs that usually have 4-5 cities 2000 BC with snail speed have only 1-2 cities with eternity speed. Maybe settlers take so long to build eternity speed that AI choose to build something else?

<Nexus> · Jan 27, 2015

rtt4a said:
Heres picture of new waves with blue marble and I also added islands from RI mod.
I think islands give nice touch

Btw @45 and other developers if you read this thread..
AI seems to be doing lot worst eternity game speed than snail speed. I have run dozens of test games with AI autoplay and some reason AI is building more cities with snail speed.

Some civs that usually have 4-5 cities 2000 BC with snail speed have only 1-2 cities with eternity speed. Maybe settlers take so long to build eternity speed that AI choose to build something else?

It was mentioned many times before, that slower speeds are unbalanced, though I had no idea what areas does that mean.

Islands? What islands? Can you post a screenshot?

EDIT: I see now. What impact do they have on the game?

rtt4a · Jan 27, 2015

I forgot to attach screenshot but it should be there now

There are two kinds of islands, southern and northern. The latter ones give 1 hammer and one commerce, southern ones give one food also. Not big impact but gives better look to world map

oh, and they also gives +25% defending unit.

<Nexus> · Jan 27, 2015

rtt4a said:
I forgot to attach screenshot but it should be there now

There are two kinds of islands, southern and northern. The latter ones give 1 hammer and one commerce, southern ones give one food also. Not big impact but gives better look to world map oh, and they also gives +25% defending unit.

So they are not just graphics.
I guess it also means that you have to add them manually, since no mapscript will generate them.
They would be a perfect place to put goody huts on.

rtt4a · Jan 27, 2015

Technically they are features, not terrains..

dbkblk · Jan 27, 2015

@Sogroon: None of the terrains you show are correct. They are all blue marble (except the peaks that seems to change). Can you check in My Games/BTS/ if there are not custom assets or something. Obviously, there is a problem on your installation. I'll try to recheck the code but, if there is only one "terrain_textures_*.fpk", there's no reason that the mod loads blue marble.
BM should be installed somewhere and overwrites the AND installation.

<Nexus> · Jan 27, 2015

Hehe...
Not there but in the assets/art folder I had 2 folders. Alternative Terrain (okay, that's my stuff) and terrain (that's NOT).
After deledeleting these 2 folders with their content everything is okay. I EVEN HAVE THOSE PRETTY WAVES :woohoo:

I can only think that installing the mod with the full install and choosing BM creates that folder, which caused my troubles.

Thx for the hint! Now it works anyway :cool:

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