Oh Spain, why do you torment me so?

darkace77450 · Sep 24, 2015

Every time I start a new game as someone other than Spain and find a Natural Wonder near my starting position I think to myself, "man, I could have just bought a Settler to plop a city right next to that thing. And with One With Nature for some I'd be getting some serious Food/Production/Gold/Science/Faith."

Then every time I start a new game as Spain I have to comb the world to find a Natural Wonder someone else found long ago and/or one that has been snatched up by a City-State. Spain is a ton of fun when the stars align, and rather generic when they don't. Unfortunately, they never seem to align for me.

Volcanon · Sep 24, 2015

That is the primary problem with Spain, though there's probably some code somewhere that makes it more likely than not that a natural wonder spawns near Spain. Problem is getting the "crappy" ones. If you get the one that gives you 20 food, well good game.

Dushku · Sep 24, 2015

I don't know what difficulty level you play on, but my game gave me two really good Spain starts recently (Emperor difficulty). Here's a screencap of the most recent one and it's initial autosave

Spoiler :

Before that, I had the map that was the focus of my Spanish Mesa Gibraltar series.
initial autosave
first playthrough of that map
refined playthrough

reddishrecue · Sep 25, 2015

Dushku said:
I don't know what difficulty level you play on, but my game gave me two really good Spain starts recently (Emperor difficulty). Here's a screencap of the most recent one and it's initial autosave

Spoiler :

Before that, I had the map that was the focus of my Spanish Mesa Gibraltar series.
initial autosave
first playthrough of that map
refined playthrough

Thats a great start off the spain ua.

Phukit · Sep 25, 2015

Dushku said:
I don't know what difficulty level you play on, but my game gave me two really good Spain starts recently (Emperor difficulty). Here's a screencap of the most recent one and it's initial autosave

Spoiler :

Before that, I had the map that was the focus of my Spanish Mesa Gibraltar series.
initial autosave
first playthrough of that map
refined playthrough

This start i just too good,next turn snooze fest aound T100

stormtrooper412 · Sep 25, 2015

you can also check out the Spain maps in the ICL and DCL. Both are quite adequate

Callonia · Sep 25, 2015

Well, its random.

I haven't had a natural wonder near me as germany. Until very recently few days ago on deity where I pulled a mt.fuji. My starting spot was pretty much meh for any of the strong pantheons so I decided to roll in one with nature pantheon. It compensated for my lack of stonehenge that I normally have while playing on King. :lol:

Its just that, you never know. Random is random. Can't do anything but keep on rerolling the maps until you get the wonder you want. Unless you alter the game by using a world builder program and plop all the natural wonders down completely surrounding your capital. :lol:

Ok now I want to check to see if I really can do that.

phillipwyllie · Sep 25, 2015

@OP: I have some Immortal Spain saves that use the mod in my sig if you want em. Although, imo the UA is about finding the NWs first as usually they are in sub optimal locations.

@Dushku: If you want more folks to play along with your saves I'd disable the map packs in steam. Anyway I gave your gbr a run.

Dushku · Sep 25, 2015

phillipwyllie said:
@Dushku: If you want more folks to play along with your saves I'd disable the map packs in steam.

I don't know what this means. I have the Complete Edition. I use EUI, but this is DLC and not a requisite as far as I know.

phillipwyllie · Sep 25, 2015

Dushku said:
I don't know what this means. I have the Complete Edition. I use EUI, but this is DLC and not a requisite as far as I know.

If you have the packs installed then every save you make will require them even if the generated map doesn't use anything from the map packs.

Dushku · Sep 25, 2015

Thanks for the info. Since every game I play is randomly generated anyways, will me turning off these map packs impact my game at all?

docbud · Sep 25, 2015

I have map packs, so no problem for me. But I guess others will.

I am playing the game now...

Spoiler :

reddishrecue · Sep 25, 2015

Thats why the cs quests for natural wonders exist particularly when you havent found enough natural wonders.

z284pwr · Sep 26, 2015

Dushku said:
I don't know what difficulty level you play on, but my game gave me two really good Spain starts recently (Emperor difficulty). Here's a screencap of the most recent one and it's initial autosave

Spoiler :

Before that, I had the map that was the focus of my Spanish Mesa Gibraltar series.
initial autosave
first playthrough of that map
refined playthrough

Yup guaranteed I would have reloaded the inital save and moved the Settler to the Grassland next to the mountain. Observatory, One with Nature, three resources, yup :lol:

Callonia · Sep 26, 2015

z284pwr said:
Yup guaranteed I would have reloaded the inital save and moved the Settler to the Grassland next to the mountain. Observatory, One with Nature, three resources, yup

Even when you'll give up having a coastal capital + suffer tundra hexes in your starting radius?

Dushku · Sep 26, 2015

z284pwr said:
Yup guaranteed I would have reloaded the inital save and moved the Settler to the Grassland next to the mountain. Observatory, One with Nature, three resources, yup

Aye. I have no doubt everybody that tried that save did the same. I wasn't going to play the map, but after seeing others do it, I'm giving it a go. In fact, I have to scrap my current run because it had been so long since I've done an SV that I've forgotten some of the synergy needed to make it go quicker. It was a good start too; 1k science per turn achieved on turn 162, topping out at over 1400 not long after that.

Sclb · Sep 26, 2015

The position of Madrid in the screenshot wasn't a particularly good food city until civil service, so I would've moved the settler north along coast anyway. (south is more tundra it seems) It is often advantageous to not settle capital on the initial spot and move settler. It is still gonna be available for an expo anyway.

Dushku · Sep 26, 2015

phillipwyllie said:
Anyway I gave your gbr a run.

I finally finished my run. t227 SV: http://i.imgur.com/BjZyYSm.jpg

Before that, my t218 diploV: http://i.imgur.com/PqeLgqs.jpg

For those interested, I posted an informal challenge here: https://redd.it/3mgbbf

Is there a customary way to do that here on CFC?

phillipwyllie · Sep 26, 2015

Dushku said:
I finally finished my run. t227 SV: http://i.imgur.com/BjZyYSm.jpg

Could only manage a t232 SV. Would've been t229 but I ran out of money.

Dushku · Sep 26, 2015

Did you find having 5 cities to be easier? I've tried it with 2 and 3 cities and both times, felt it could've been faster. However, I've always had a challenge playing more than 4 cities as Tradition.

Oh Spain, why do you torment me so?

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