kaspergm
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One of the few things I just about entirely hate in Civ5 is the Espionage system. This is just incredibly poorly implemented. Cases of point are:
Anyway, that was my rant about Espionage, one of the few features in Civ5 I really hate. Oh yes and I agree with others, Warmonger Hate is just stupid in the way it is implemented.
- Instantly spawning spies and re-spawning spies after kills. Should instead have changed this to work like Caravans in BnW: There's a cap based on era, but you need to put resources into building spies if you want them.
- Horrible implementation of espionage buildings. First of all, the overall just suck. Secondly, the fact that you need to plop a Constabulary AND a Police Station in every single town in order to build the national wonder is just stupid, because in most games enemy spies will only be in your capital and, on rare occasions, your #2 town.
- Lack of espionage actions. Basically, the spy will always try to steal techs, even if you don't want him to (at least the Diplomat option in BnW gave a way out for this). He can't do anything actively apart from stealing techs. I really like the intrigue feature, but the whole idea of intelligence collection could have been vastly expanded: Why can't the spy collect information of enemy city locations? Or tech progress? Or location of City States that target civ knows but you don't. Or Natural Wonders they have discovered. And here I'm not even mentioning all the "negative" actions like destroying buildings, poisoning wells etc. because those can be a pain to deal with (I'm looking to you, Civ4).
- Lack of coordination between espionage and diplomacy. Why can't you choose to send a foreign spy out without killing him for diplomatic goodwill if you want? Why can't you tell a third party that someone is planning against them when you are asked to join a war (that's not particularly espionage oriented)?
Anyway, that was my rant about Espionage, one of the few features in Civ5 I really hate. Oh yes and I agree with others, Warmonger Hate is just stupid in the way it is implemented.