Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
OOC: Bacchus.The game may be about space, but you know damn well that we're nowhere near the point where space matters yet. The colonies can't sustain themselves, they are all totally dependent on Sol in general and Earth in particular.
That's crap, and you should know it. If you'd bother to get on MSN for once, I'd explain in exacting detail why, but I'll do it here instead.If I were to hold all systems in totalitarian clutches, or even "just" Earth, the game wouldn't be interesting either. I never said that, nor did I imply it. Again, diversity, in space and on Earth, is what makes and will make this game fun.
You can jump on the train and accelerate it or get run over by it, I can't say I particularly care which (and no, that does not mean we're going to invade anybody). I just don't want to hear the clicking of fingers spouting pointless arguments about whether the train even exists, because believe me, it does. It has been rolling for four updates now, and it's way too late for you to stop it by throwing up your arms and decrying this as some kind of monopoly. This is a space game, and it's going into space.[11:56:34] Alec Walton: Assume I hadn't done any of this.
[11:56:41] Alec Walton: You'd just have four overlords instead of two.
[11:56:44] Alec Walton: Whoop-de-doo.
[11:56:48] Alec Walton: Big fraking difference.
[11:57:10] Alec Walton: And instead of spending 75% of the budget on colonies, and 25% on the military, it'd be the reverse.
[11:57:29] Alec Walton: And since they would have such tiny resource capacities, and such big militaries, anytime a colony broke away, they'd put it down in blood.
[11:57:36] Alec Walton: Because they couldn't soak the investment loss.
[11:57:49] Alec Walton: And the colony wouldn't have the time to prepare sufficient defenses, and would be crushed.
[11:57:52] Alec Walton: Over and over again.
[11:58:02] Alec Walton: A little rolling bloodbath within five jumps of Sol.
[11:58:16] Alec Walton: What a terrible fate I have inflicted on you all, unrestricted growth and zero oversight.
[11:58:20] Alec Walton: I'm just Genghis fraking Khan.
[12:06:28] Alec Walton: But really. A lot of the colonies are hellholes.
[12:07:02] Alec Walton: If your planet sucks and making it better takes a really long time and lots of money, and you just hate that darned GovUHNment, how do you rectify the situation?
[12:07:07] Alec Walton: Take over some place better!
[12:07:16] Alec Walton: Plus it takes like FOUR YEARS to get the periphery as it is.
[12:07:36] Alec Walton: I want to send my big badass fleet somewhere because somebody's really making trouble? Going to take a damn long time.
OOC: Learn to read. Kthnxby.Symphony D, I'm not going to pretend to be some expert NESer because I'm not, but at the end of the day don't you think it's his choice whether he joins your damn organisation or not?
I am glad we have come to an understanding. Allow me to finalize my position: I gave you the option, and I said what it would be virtually equivalent to. You don't like it, fine. You want to disagree with my analysis, fine. But you want to come up with . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . as to why it's wrong instead of arguing on its merits, then . .. .. .. . off yourself, because I have yet to hear one single damn good reason as to how colonizing space under four overlords is any different for the people running the colonies than doing it under one. Not one.You may think that diversity your way is the best way - fine, I won't stop you from playing that way, nor have I claimed any disinterest in it. But when you ask for my "surrender", so that you can be the only one dictating what diversity is, forget it. You want a Solar Federation, fine. You want China in it, fine. You want to dictate what China is going to look like and play like, . .. .. .. . off.
OOC: I'm mocking him because I made it clear several times I accepted Niklas' answer. I was being verbose because Niklas was insinuating, without any evidence, that my proposal would somehow destroy the game or at the very least be detrimental to it. I disputed this at length, with points, because I considered it an insult, and still do. It had nothing to do with my interpretation of his answer, and anything more than a casual reading would have made that evident. He can read, but the question is does he?Symphony, clearly he can read, as he recognized the symbols in your post for language. Don't mock people because of their brevity.
I'm mocking him because I made it clear several times I accepted Niklas' answer. I was being verbose because Niklas ... etc.etc.etc.
OOC: Fair deal. One thing though:Bro, if you want to mock go to the While We Wait thread. Your bashing of anyone and anything who makes a comment? It's getting slightly irritating.
Yeah, because I totally invoked that and have definitely been bashing forum games constantly. Don't do "I'm a victim, poor little me." You didn't bother to read what I said. I called you on it. Deal. You catch me doing the same, it's open season for you too.Yeah I'm from forum games so obviously I'm too ignorant to read.
Apart from the "satisfy your own ego" part, I tend to agree. How is that not a reduction in diversity? You may claim that diversity will still exist, but it will exist only on your terms. Or again, to put it in your own words regarding the requirements on entry into the SF:Your continued existence as an independent party does nothing for "diversity" except satisfy your own ego to continue on, because you will be out-competed on every single front
Right. So a totalitarian state is no longer welcome in this game. How does that not reduce diversity? Just look at the world today and you'll see the feuding between democratic and totalitarian states makes up a fair share of the dynamics of the political arena. You are effectively cutting off a large part of the spectrum for political diversity. Do you deny that?... with a fair capability for multiple parties or free political input, admittedly
It may not be wise, but it's also not against the rules. It may be in the best interest of the Pre-NES's realism and believability to keep the major world nations signed on as entities under the Solar Federation, representing their individual interests and politics. It's not a very common arrangement in NES'ing, but it may be good to use here.And yes, I do realize I am effectively asking for your (Niklas and Lord_Iggy) surrenders, as having more than a two-man team running a show isn't wise.
OOC: A cold war we are all too likely to lose swiftly I have a feeling, Comrade. But still, a barrel of fun while it lasts
Lurkers Comment: I recommend launching every nuke in your arsenal and fighting a suicidal war of annihlation.
Lurkers Comment: I recommend launching every nuke in your arsenal and fighting a suicidal war of annihlation.