The Community Deity Game #4 - Spain

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CDG 4 - Spain a.k.a. Tiempo de Reconquista

(it means age of reconquest, right?)

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Your achievements. They are provided as-is from consentient. He said he played over 150 turns of the map before deciding on it.



Good luck everyone!

Notes:

1. I haven't played a single turn of this map.

2. I can assume a triple scout opening would be a good idea.

3. Personal preference: let it rip! I'm thinking of awarding bonus points for the player who unloads the most nukes. So if your conquest is particularly nasty, keep track

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IMPORTANT NOTICE: - I only have one map ready after this one. So this is the time the senior members should try to step up. I will remain as caretaker but I cannot provide anything else as I simply can't get enough time. I have also not played the CDG3 and I don't see an opening for me to do it anytime soon.

I assume the achi A means razing cities into oblivion not just starting the bonfire and then selling/giving it away.

Yeah, I think so

Hard map as Spain! Guess those NW are really far away or the neighbors are really bad

Hope the AI's don't build wonders outside their capitals or we'll have to raze them. Also I don't really care about difficultly level as I mostly disagree with those.

Thanks, corrected. It's been labeled as a Medium. Next one is a "hard"

stormtrooper412 said:

Your achievements. They are provided as-is from consentient. He said he played over 150 turns of the map before deciding on it.
A - Raze 30+ cities - 4 points
B - Find a natural wonder first - 1 point for each
C - Settle a natural wonder - 2 points
D - Raze all non-capitals - 5 points
E - Finish an Ideology tree - 5 points

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Well, i have to say that achievement B should be at least 10 points given it seems totally impossible to achieve! Even with prior knowledge of the map and heading straight for closest NWs (sending starting warrior and ignoring ruins on the way) they are already found by some AI by the time you get to see them

Actually, it might even be bugged as i have found a NW inside the borders of a CS and got 100 for the NW but 30 for first contact with the CS

Of course, there might be some Krakatoa in the middle of the ocean that you could get with Conquistadors but all that trouble for a meager 1 point

Bob Morane said:

Well, i have to say that achievement B should be at least 10 points given it seems totally impossible to achieve! Even with prior knowledge of the map and heading straight for closest NWs (sending starting warrior and ignoring ruins on the way) they are already found by some AI by the time you get to see them

Actually, it might even be bugged as i have found a NW inside the borders of a CS and got 100 for the NW but 30 for first contact with the CS

Of course, there might be some Krakatoa in the middle of the ocean that you could get with Conquistadors but all that trouble for a meager 1 point

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I just found one first!

From the initial screen shot, can anyone see any reason not to SIP?

What counts as finishing and Ideology tree? Since it is 5 points, I am guessing 14 tenets?

Thanks ST. Okay, with the movie opening, I have to ask: Why 412?

Bob Morane said:

Well, i have to say that achievement B should be at least 10 points given it seems totally impossible to achieve!

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I disagree as on a Pangaea based maps this mainly due to luck - I'd rather question the necessity of such achievement. On a map where a certain tech is required to find a/multiple NWs this would make more sense but this is hardly an achi one can very actively pursue.

Bob Morane said:

Actually, it might even be bugged as i have found a NW inside the borders of a CS and got 100 for the NW but 30 for first contact with the CS

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Not necessarily a bug. NWs count as mountains hence visible from 3 tiles away so it's quite possible to see one inside CSs borders without meeting the CS - the ways of the AI are mysterious and rarely sane.
Meeting a CS on the other hand requires hugging their border and not only that but moving to a tile which is a CS border ie standing one tile away from a CS when its border expansion makes one hug the borderline doesn't count.

beetle said:

From the initial screen shot, can anyone see any reason not to SIP?

What counts as finishing and Ideology tree? Since it is 5 points, I am guessing 14 tenets?

Thanks ST. Okay, with the movie opening, I have to ask: Why 412?

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yeah a full house

also, I was wondering if and when someone would ask me that. There is no reason, the "412" is completely random

Grendeldef said:

I disagree as on a Pangaea based maps this mainly due to luck - I'd rather question the necessity of such achievement. On a map where a certain tech is required to find a/multiple NWs this would make more sense but this is hardly an achi one can very actively pursue.

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I should have said 100 points. It would have made the sarcasm clear

beetle said:

From the initial screen shot, can anyone see any reason not to SIP?

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3 wheat + salt and coastal for cargo ship. Apart from trying to settle Cap next a NW, i don't think so. I don't like the gamble to wander for some 20 turns if you don't find a NW very close so i SIP (even when i restarted after i realized i had forgotten granaries)

I like to give my initial impression and plans, see how they work out, and even if I follow through.

Since I am so terrible with dom, 4-city Tradition will be my go-to, then turtle until Rocket Launchers, and then try to raze the map per the achievements.

Initial BO will be 4x scouts then a worker to improve the salt on the assumption that I have a pantheon from visiting CS by then. Maybe I will be gifted a worker, especially with four scouts, but I am not counting on that.

I will SIP and then probably do 2-3 city NC, hoping to settle a NW for at least a couple of cities. I am going to beeline Chivalry for the UU and might even late settle (up to six) if I can land NW that way.

My experience with the NQ map script is limited to these few CDG, but we seem to have quite a lot of space. Or that mostly just the result of the setting for a low sea level? While the NQ maps we have had give islands suitable for Indonesia, it also seems to me that the NW will all be on the main pangaea, so that takes away some of the appeal for exploring. Still, Spain UA is 100 gold plus 2 Happy per NW, correct? Very much worth getting out and about early!

Much out of character, I plan to conqueror the best CS with a NW. Since I have that in mind, no early CS worker stealing for me, since this will be my one-and-only-one CS DoW. Does anyone know well the AI-related diplo penalty for continuing to attack a CS if an AI tells me to knock it off? Does my response to the AI, and my subsequent behavior to the CS, actually matter?

stormtrooper412 said:

There is no reason, the "412" is completely random

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Oh that is disappointing, I am so sorry I asked! Absent any information to contrary, I had decided in my own head that 412 must be the number assigned to the Stormtrooper who bangs his head in the first move. You know what? I am going to forget what you said, and stick to what I invented!

Bob Morane said:

I wonder whether Consentient put some AI scout nearby those to make sure we don't get the 500

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I think Consentient did that with CDG#2 Assyria -- but the people who ran away with that map somehow undid the fix.

3 wheat + salt and coastal for cargo ship. Apart from trying to settle Cap next to a NW, I don't think so.

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Thanks for that, as it confirms my reasoning. Also, it is on a lake for wet farms and a Garden, and a nearby mountain for Disney. For further bonus, all from the screen shot, we have the pearl and seven hills (two with sheep, and two wet). SIP it is!

beetle said:

I like to give my initial impression and plans, see how they work out, and even if I follow through.

Since I am so terrible with dom, 4-city Tradition will be my go-to, then turtle until Rocket Launchers, and then try to raze the map per the achievements.

Initial BO will be 4x scouts then a worker to improve the salt on the assumption that I have a pantheon from visiting CS by then. Maybe I will be gifted a worker, especially with four scouts, but I am not counting on that.

I will SIP and then probably do 2-3 city NC, hoping to settle a NW for at least a couple of cities. I am going to beeline Chivalry for the UU and might even late settle (up to six) if I can land NW that way.

My experience with the NQ map script is limited to these few CDG, but we seem to have quite a lot of space. Or that mostly just the result of the setting for a low sea level? While the NQ maps we have had give islands suitable for Indonesia, it also seems to me that the NW will all be on the main pangaea, so that takes away some of the appeal for exploring. Still, Spain UA is 100 gold plus 2 Happy per NW, correct? Very much worth getting out and about early!

Much out of character, I plan to conqueror the best CS with a NW. Since I have that in mind, no early CS worker stealing for me, since this will be my one-and-only-one CS DoW. Does anyone know well the AI-related diplo penalty for continuing to attack a CS if an AI tells me to knock it off? Does my response to the AI, and my subsequent behavior to the CS, actually matter?


Oh that is disappointing, I am so sorry I asked! Absent any information to contrary, I had decided in my own head that 412 must be the number assigned to the Stormtrooper who bangs his head in the first move. You know what? I am going to forget what you said, and stick to what I invented!


I think Consentient did that with CDG#2 Assyria -- but the people who ran away with that map somehow undid the fix.


Thanks for that, as it confirms my reasoning. Also, it is on a lake for wet farms and a Garden, and a nearby mountain for Disney. For further bonus, all from the screen shot, we have the pearl and seven hills (two with sheep, and two wet). SIP it is!

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If a CS has a natural wonder in its borders, I'd just bomb it with a citadel instead. That is what I did on TSG119, I think that was the Dutch game. Anyways, I plopped a city down next door to a natural wonder near a city state, and they expanded their borders onto it before I could since I was saving up to buy universities. I went to war with them, earned a GG, and bombed a citadel and stole their luxuries and their natural wonder. Problem solved.

I'm not sure what the diplo hit for conquering one is, but I'd rather have them be my ally that conquer them. Of course, in that game I wasn't paying attention and 5 turns from getting my final spaceship part Ghandi back-stabbed me hard after being my friend for 5000 years. Not only that, he was allied with the city state I stole the wonder from, and sure enough they were the ones who knocked me out in the end...

Wild_Woojsha said:

If a CS has a natural wonder in its borders, I'd just bomb it with a citadel instead.

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That works if you settle near them, but that is not what I am planning for. Yes, I would rather have CS as ally too, and that is very much my usual habit, but trying to RP a bit. Kind of a shame, since it seems to me that it is a cultural CS which are the mostly likely to have nearby NW. I may have to annex in order to buy the NW tile.

beetle said:

Oh that is disappointing, I am so sorry I asked! Absent any information to contrary, I had decided in my own head that 412 must be the number assigned to the Stormtrooper who bangs his head in the first move. You know what? I am going to forget what you said, and stick to what I invented!

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you give me too much credit

t150

stormtrooper412 said:

you give me too much credit

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On an unrelated note, you will like the new Star Wars movie.

Anyways, now I see why you originally said the difficulty, razing that many cities with ICS civs while having to keep them alive so they would spam more.

Thanks, I'm hoping to see it some time next week

Bob Morane said:

I should have said 100 points. It would have made the sarcasm clear

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Hah, not in the semi dead mental state I was at night when I was writing the reply - it'd have required few more zeroes for me to notice much of anything besides I was more keen on the mechanics of the latter part of my post. One of those, fairly common even, weird things within the game.