Dissidents

Mutineer · May 12, 2014

I am a bit confused.

In my game (immortal) Alex adopt order first, I adopt Autocracy couple turns later.

Instantly I got -10 unhappiness from dissidents.
I produce more turism then alex, He is exotic to me I am exotic to him.

Why I have unhappiness?

joncnunn · May 12, 2014

If you are both exotic to each other, then you both cancel.
Perhaps the World Council has adopted a World Ideology?
Or else another AI also has an ideology?

Mutineer · May 12, 2014

joncnunn said:
If you are both exotic to each other, then you both cancel.
Perhaps the World Council has adopted a World Ideology?
Or else another AI also has an ideology?

No there only 2 ai have ideology, alex and me. Word congress was not able to propose that yet.

I never had this situation of I adopt order or freedom.

Mista · May 12, 2014

Roll over the dissidant column in culture and it will tell you what the influences are.
I've had it with Freedom, since most of the AI do not choose freedom. fixed it by forcing Freedom as the world ideology in UN. Later two of the AI's were forced to switch to Freedom.
In another game, i chose to switch to Autocracy, not fight the ideology battle. In that game, as Shoshone, it told me that my preferred ideology was Autocracy, and that counted against me as Freedom.

joncnunn · May 12, 2014

Mutineer said:
No there only 2 ai have ideology, alex and me. Word congress was not able to propose that yet.

I never had this situation of I adopt order or freedom.

I think this is the tie breaking "feature". Hover over it; and I bet it will say your citizens prefer Order even though there's no influence bars showing.

I'm not sure if it breaks ideological ties by earliest ideology founded or else in a static Freedom - Order - Autocracy manner.

Mutineer · May 13, 2014

It seems to some sort of border condition, next turn I lost exotic status, regain it may be 20 turn later and lost unhappiness.

Moriarte · May 13, 2014

joncnunn said:
I think this is the tie breaking "feature". Hover over it; and I bet it will say your citizens prefer Order even though there's no influence bars showing.

I'm not sure if it breaks ideological ties by earliest ideology founded or else in a static Freedom - Order - Autocracy manner.

Are you sure the "tie" is relevant for this type of calculation? Your culture pool is weighed against his tourism and your tourism is weighed against his culture pool. As soon as both of you reach 10.01% (or 10.1%?) you are exotic. How can there be a tie? And why would conditions tilt in favour of one or the other contestant during that tie?

I think Mutineer saw "10%" in influence window and automatically assumed he was exotic. Which wasn't the case.

Or it was some kind of bug, where Mutineer had 10.00% over Alex, but the tooltip falsely shown "exotic" status.

joncnunn · May 13, 2014

Moriarte said:
Are you sure the "tie" is relevant for this type of calculation?

While the AI never gets influence over me; in my previous game I saw a lot of AI civs that were under influence from multiple civs such that the same number of bars showed for multiple ideologies.

In this particular game, it appeared that in all cases that Freedom was tied for the most that the population wanted Freedom.
And that in cases that Autocracy was tied with Order that the population preferred Autocracy.

reddishrecue · May 13, 2014

You have unhappiness because the other civilizations have more tourism than you and influence your civilizations' people more than your culture.

Fluffball · May 14, 2014

Mutineer said:
It seems to some sort of border condition, next turn I lost exotic status, regain it may be 20 turn later and lost unhappiness.

If you lost exotic next turn this sounds like you were at some strange figure like 9.9999999999999% and this got rounded to 10% thus were shown as exotic in the culture screen but influence is probably calculated off the actual figure so the culture screen told you you were exotic but you actually were fractionally below.

reddishrecue · May 15, 2014

Dissidents aren't that bad actually. It's only one minus content.

joncnunn · May 15, 2014

reddishrecue said:
Dissidents aren't that bad actually. It's only one minus content.

one per city or one per 5? citizens; whichever is more.

Dissidents

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Deity

joncnunn

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Mutineer

Deity

Mista

Warlord

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Mutineer

Deity

Moriarte

Immortal

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reddishrecue

Deity

Fluffball

Prince

reddishrecue

Deity

joncnunn

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