Real power of Hwach'a
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Siege bonus against cities have been upped to 200%
GlobularFoody
Warlord
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Hwach'a aren't supposed to have bonus vs city.
This needs to be added to the list of balance changes that need to be implemented.
Should I make a thread where people can share what balance changes they think should be needed? It seems like this expansion is sorely unbalanced right now. O_O
Should I make a thread where people can share what balance changes they think should be needed? It seems like this expansion is sorely unbalanced right now. O_O
seasnake
Conquistador
Enjoy it while you can, Hwa'Cha and Battering Ram both will be nerfed/fixed.
Still, GnK is much better balance in most respects with Wonders/SPs. I found myself excited to open Commerce, of all things.
Still, GnK is much better balance in most respects with Wonders/SPs. I found myself excited to open Commerce, of all things.
The best bug currently is the one where you have turned Religion off, and the AI goes on and found a religion anyway.
GlobularFoody
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I just tested this and it's confirmed. I shot my upgraded hwach'a against a defense 15 city and it completely removed all city HP in a single shot. I thought the battering ram was bad, this bug deserves to be patched immediately.
PhilBowles
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The battering ram is just about perfectly balanced, but if this change has been made to the Hwach'a it definitely needs fixing (indeed I just started a game as Korea precisely to try out a civ that hasn't had any changes made with the expansion, to see how it interacts with the new features). I can imagine they might think it needs something to make up for the fact that the lack of an iron requirement is no longer a boost to the Hwach'a, but city attack is inappropriate and 200% bonus is very obviously over the top.
What does the Civopedia entry say for the Hwach'a's stats now?
I usually start a second policy branch before unlocking Rationalism, so I quite often go Commerce unless playing CS-heavy. As of G&K, city-states are no longer an optional extra and commerce isn't useful for keeping them onside, so Patronage is a serious alternative.
anandus
Errorist
Offtopic: I'd call that quite a bug, as there is no option to turn religion off
Offtopic: I'd call that quite a bug, as there is no option to turn religion off
There is, but its an automatic thing
Ancient
Battering ram
Strength 10
Vs Cities (300%) 10 * (1 + 300/100)= 40
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Classical
Catapult
Ranged Strength 8
Vs Cities (200%) 8 * (1 + 200/100) = 24
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Medieval
Trebuchet
Ranged Srength 14
Vs Cities (200%) 14 * (1 + 200/100) = 42
Hwach'a
Ranged Strength 26
Vs Cities (200%) 26 * (1 + 200/100)= 78 (stronger than cannon ? probably a bug)
Without the 200% bonus 26 vs cities ?!
If its not a bug - Hwach'a's should upgrade directly to artilery similary how battering ram skips catapults that are inferior ....
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Renaissance
Cannon
Ranged Strength 20
Vs Cities (200%) 20 * (1+200/100) = 60
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Battering ram
Strength 10
Vs Cities (300%) 10 * (1 + 300/100)= 40
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Classical
Catapult
Ranged Strength 8
Vs Cities (200%) 8 * (1 + 200/100) = 24
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Medieval
Trebuchet
Ranged Srength 14
Vs Cities (200%) 14 * (1 + 200/100) = 42
Hwach'a
Ranged Strength 26
Vs Cities (200%) 26 * (1 + 200/100)= 78 (stronger than cannon ? probably a bug)
Without the 200% bonus 26 vs cities ?!
If its not a bug - Hwach'a's should upgrade directly to artilery similary how battering ram skips catapults that are inferior ....
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Renaissance
Cannon
Ranged Strength 20
Vs Cities (200%) 20 * (1+200/100) = 60
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