I just quoted what a Macedonian guy claimed.
Only you "enriched" it with too many creepy details of things and arguments that even the vast majority of the Slavs who self-declared themselves as "Macedonians" don't claim today, but only a small group of radical-right ultranationalistic propagandists do.
Such as this video you're quoting here;
Do you know what this video is and stands for??
Let me enlighten you...
The people of this country who are Slavs and migrated in this area the 7th century AD,
are claiming that they're Alexander's descendants and that Macedonia is devided, with a large part of it comeing under Greek sovereignty after the Balkan Wars the year 1913.
Notice that the map shown above, includes 4-5 Greek districts including those of Thessaloniki and Chalkidiki among other regions.
Yet the undeniable truth is;
1. This country which was
formed in 1991, is settled on the region of
Paeonia by 100%, a region different and separated from the ancient greek kingdom of Macedonia, that got conquered by Philip II at 354-355 BC, and which
soon it got abondoned by the Macedons (
which explains the ZERO macedonian archaeological findings in this country), and thus it was NEVER EVER part of the kingdom of Macedonia.
Unless of course one considers that Paeonia by being conquered by the Macedons, it became Macedonia and it will CONTINUE being considered as Macedonia simply
because for some BRΙEF time period in history, it got conquered by the Macedons.
And what about the others who conquered this region?
What about the Romans, the Slavs, the Ottomans???
EVEN if we accept this, what would be the case of all the other regions that got conquered by the Macedons???
Can the Egyptians call themselves today
"Macedonians", and rename their country to
"New Republic of Macedonia"???
And what about the regions the Roman Empire conquered or the Ottoman Empire??
Can they call themselves (allow me) "Italians" today and their country "Republic of Italy"??
Would this be historically, culturally or any other way accurate and accepted?
Of course anyone can call himself as he wants!!
But what happens when after the
"naming" (or renaming in this case) claims of any kind follow(
in this case teritorial claims)??
These radical-right nationalists today are outrageously claiming that Greece
"stole" part of their land, refering to original ancient greek kingdom of Macedonia settled for 3000 years in Greece, after they renamed their land from Paeonia to "Macedonia" !!
The question is;
Can one devide two things from each other, that are ALREADY by definition separate??
I (and every historian, anthropologist, mathematician, physicist and every University and Archaeological Institution)
don't think so...
A politician on the other hand could do that, after taking the lolipop from a child's hand.
2. Eugene N. Borza was a professor emeritus of ancient history at Pennsylvania State University. He has written many works on the ancient kingdom of Macedonia.
The American Philological Association refers to E. Borza as the
"Macedonian specialist".
He's the one and
only historian who to some point in his early works, he claimed some things that seemed very convenient for use in FYROM's propaganda, and so they did used them.
Yet it is
OBVIOUS that they never got to follow his work...
He on the other side evolved, and he claimed that;
Eugene Borza,
"Macedonian Redux" p.260 (quote)
"On the other hand the (so-called) "Slavomacedonians" (Slavs entered Balkans 10 centuries after the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander) ARE A NEWLY EMERGENT PEOPLE IN SEARCH OF A PAST, to help them legitimise their precarious present, as they attempt to establish their singular identity in a world dominated historically by Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians.
The 20th century of a "Macedonian ethnicity" and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the Yugoslavic collapse of 1991, has followed a rocky road.
In order to survive the vicissitudes of the Balkan history and politics, the "Slavomacedonians", NEED THEIR OWN SO CALLED MACEDONIAN ETHNICITY which evolved for NO MORE than a century, and thus it seemed natural for them and appropriate to call their NEW country "Macedonia" AND TO ATTEMPT TO provide SOME cultural references to bolster ethnic survival..."
...and Borza continues;
"Modern Slavs, both from Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians cannot establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks.
The Slavs entered the Balkans 10 centuries after the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander.
Only the most radical-right nationalists Slavic emigrants of the US, Canada and Australia even attempt to establish connection with antiquity..."
I can quote many statements by top scientists of the field, that many are humiliating the FTROM's claims, in a way never seen before.
Interesting, so we must create a common Pan-Slavic State in Europe.
Cambridge history is written and it is continue being written by hundreds of the most respected scientists in their field.
I'm sure you know that...
Did you know that Slavs are the most numerous part of inhabitants of Europe?
Some 250 million up to 300 million inhabitants of Europe are Slavs.
This is irrelative to what we discuss.
The Greeks is not the discussion here!!
You say this! You say so!
But look what is the title of this thread...
I thought the thread is about the Macedonians... who of course they were profoundly Greeks, yet
as you obviously reproduce -close to claim, even if it's unwittingly- the outrageous lies of FYROM's radical-right ultra-nationalist propagandists who wanna go to war with Greece for something that were NEVER theirs to claim,
I find it proper to
first deal with this
UNHISTORICAL crap, before going on...
OK, but now explain this to Makedonians.
What do you think is going on the last two decades when their claims started?
(I don't mean by me...)
Just imagine for second going back to Nazi Germany, and attempt to convise the members of the Nazi party (the simple ppl), that they're not the higher race, the black ppl, the jews, the gipsies, the polish , the russians (the slavs in general), the greeks etc. are ppl exactly like the germans etc.
The brainwashing in FYROM keeps on going as we speak.
By the way, think for a moment... Their claims of being "macedonians" started two decades ago, not 10, 5, 3 or even 2 centuries ago.
All this time before the late 1980's early 1990's, they were claiming to be other things;
Elisabeth Barker
[
The Royal Institute of International Affairs, year 1950, p.10 ]
"...All that can safely be said is that during the last eighty years many MORE seem to have considered themselves Bulgarian, or closely linked to Bulgaria (she reports about the people of the Former Yugoslav Republic region which Josef Tito started calling "Macedonia" the 1950s), than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skoplje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs.
There is NO DOUBT that they are southern Slavs; they have a language, or a group of varying dialects, that is grammatically akin to Bulgarian but phonetically in some respects akin to Serbian, and which has certain quite distinctive features of its own (from the proto-Slavic language)..."
And by the way how should they call themselves?
Because apparently they don't want to be Bulgarians and they don't want to be Serbs.
Names Slovenia and Slovakia are already taken.
Don't wanna be this or that..?
This sounds like choosing a name from a list.
The land this (born in 1991) country is settled by 100%, is known since antiquity as "Paeonia".
There're even TODAY Paeonian toponyms in this country;
There's a place named TODAY
"Kanda" after Paeonian God of War
"KANDAON".
They should name it "Paeonia", but you see it's not so shiny as being
"descendants" of Alexander the Great, as propaganda for decades is brainwashing the minds of children who today are grown men.
P.S.: and to avoid any misunderstandings on the location of Paeonia;
Two indisputable historical facts;
Livy’s account of the creation of the Roman province of Macedonia (45.29.7 and 12) makes clear that the Paionians lived north of those mountains (which form today the geographically natural northern limits of Greece) and south of the Dardanians who were in today’s Kosovo.
Strabo (7. frag 4) is even more succinct in saying that Paionia was north of Macedonia and the only connection from one to the other was (and is today) through the narrow gorge of the Axios (or the
Slavic "Vardar") River.
