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That is a matter for the future; at present most colonies can't really hope to make the latter a viable alternative. Later, though, I imagine that it would become an issue of primary importance.
OOC: "Them 'Liberals' (disgrace of the term!) are gonna tell you how to live your life! Gonna tell you need to see Dr. Smith ten miles away and can't see Dr. Jones just down the street because that's what your healthcare covers! Gonna tell you you gotta bus your kids halfway across the city to meet some quota! Gonna say you gotta pay for the braces of that brat Timmy across the street with your taxes! That sound right to you? Or you wanna live your life the way you think you should? Why you gonna let some bigwig hotshot way the hell off in the capital say your opinion don't matter and to shut up and do what they think is best?!"OOC: Well, it is working towards the ideal of ethnically diverse colonies, as opposed to your ideal of ethnically streamed colonies with the option of becoming open and multiethnic.
OOC: I had no idea a guaranteed Blue System and being a leader in the most powerful political entity in history was such a trifling thing. Guess me and flyingchicken are deluded, shackling ourselves to a bunch of weak countries. The one who has all the secondary benefits already is Russia.You know, after all this time, I still don't get why the US is in the Solar Fed. It gets nothing from participating except military obligations.
OOC: I had no idea a guaranteed Blue System and being a leader in the most powerful political entity in history was such a trifling thing. Guess me and flyingchicken are deluded, shackling ourselves to a bunch of weak countries. The one who has all the secondary benefits already is Russia.
OOC: This isn't 2008. All that was needed to beat any given one of the previously existing superpowers in terms of output was contained in ASTRIS before the US showed up. I'm afraid your grasp out of the situation is sorely out of touch with reality if you believe the United States composes even a majority of the economic output of the SolFed. To wit, BRIC. You can bet the US's relative numbers will decline further than the 2050 projections given this happened in 2137 and all.The US is what makes the Solar Fed "the most powerful political entity in history". The US going on a route of colonization by itself would probably get more than a single system. If the US had not joined the SF, it likely would have been able to take most of the currently SF-colonies for itself.
OOC: I'm curious how allowing the people in the colony to voice whatever opinion they choose somehow fulfills the objectives of their country of origin. Particularly when it might directly contradict the wishes of the country of origin. Please explain that one to me.I would think of it as how the IC is looking for long-term peace and prosperity, rather than the immediate satisfaction of individual member states at the expense of long-term peace and stability.
OOC: I'm curious how allowing the people in the colony to voice whatever opinion they choose somehow fulfills the objectives of their country of origin. Particularly when it might directly contradict the wishes of the country of origin. Please explain that one to me.
Look, your policy is to tell people they must be neighbors with other nationalities regardless of what they want. Ours gives them a choice. That's the bottom line. It's no different than if you mandated conscription and we had a volunteer force, or if you forbid abortion and we gave women the right to choose. You're saying the government knows best, and we say that citizens have the right to decide for themselves.
As a man far more eloquent than I, one Alexis de Tocqueville put it: "Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."
OOC: Makes sense aside from the fact that several nations, eg: Brazil, Russia, Australia, Canada, America, Indonesia, etc. have by this point in time highly diversified ethnic compositions and will probably think terribly little of continuing that policy.Replace pro-lifers with, say, Brazilians.
Are Israelis allowed to settle in anywhere other than Zion? Honest question because I had the impression people were only allowed to colonise their own nation's system under the SF system.
[...] we've enacted the proposed legislation (colonial mandate) which you decided to ignore for years
OOC: "If you want to come to our system, you will live with these other people and play by our rules," is enforced mixing, on site. You can say that all the people who don't like that won't go in the first place, and that would be a valid argument.BananaLee said:Also, my impression of the IC system was that colonists can settle wherever they want, it isn't enforced mixing. Rather, it is we-really-don't-care-what-nations-colonise-what-systems.
OOC: And that just goes to show you don't know what you're talking about. The IC does not permit any restrictions on colonial immigration. Whoever wants to go can, regardless of what the citizens in place want or think. The SF does, depending on what the citizens want. That's a very big difference.The systems are Identical, or so nearly so to not make a difrence.
This doubly proves you don't know what you're talking about. I'm saying that there isn't a moral leg to stand on for this position. I'm saying the idea of a different superpower bloc based around the idea of this position is at its heart intellectually bankrupt. I've said that the formation of a group for the purpose of endorsing it is foolhardy both IC and OOC.Accept that the EU chose not to join the SF for other reasons, and drop this whole colony matter.