Graverobbers or heroes of archaeology?

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I'm currently reading an interesting book on the activities of Westerners along the old Silk Road in Xinjiang/Chinese Turkestan who, in the early decades of the last century, literally carted away tons of archaeological and historical material fr the region. Men like Sven Hedin and Aurel Stein.

Westerners today had claimed that they're preserving them, by bringing them out of the chaotic country. As well as opening up whole new avenues of studies (the idea of a Buddhist Eastern Turkestan was completely unknown at the time) and raising public awareness.

The Chinese accused them of robbing their history and cultural heritage. Some in the West voiced the same opinions...

Opinions?
 
It's kind pf obvious that it was a double-feature act of Western domination. The westerners had 1.) the means and opportunities of going into China (or Greece like Elgin, or Egypt, etc.) and carting away stuff; and 2.) a conceptual framework in the form of a World history were they were (and to agreat extent still are) the custodians. (Quite a lot of the sinophile scholars of the 19th and early 20th century admired the ancient Chinese, but thought their contemporary descendants a bit of an embarassment for them.)
That isn't to say that some of this stuff wouldn't have been lost if the had not done it, or that it has sparked interest in certain kinds of studies of ancient East asian history both in the West and elsewhere. Hard to make a simple call of good or bad.
 
Unless they are German born Russia based super rich multi-lingual merchants with US passports they are grave robbers, if they are than they are heroes.

Not enough information to process, take Schliemann his methods were archelogic methods were barbarous and criminal, yet he is for the masses Mr. The Archeologist.
 
While I don't think it's right for archaeologists to be looting the national treasures of other countries, I think it is reasonable to let them take back samples of the findings for exhibition in museums and such (as long as they are returned after a reasonable amount of time). I don't think there's much point in being proud of your heritage if you can't let other people learn about it. Well, fine, you can be proud of it just for the sake of it, but what fun is that if you can't rub it in other peoples' faces that your country is waaayyy older than theirs??
 
Well Schliemann found Troy. Many thought he was crazy to do so, but he did. In his 2nd diggings he was much more careful than before. Archaeology was a science, which was new. He made errors because he was not knowing it better. And taking the Treasure of Helena to Germany might not be very legal but concerning the British and French behaviour of this time common. Neverthless they did great things. And without their deeds Archaeology would be not such a big science.

Adler
 
I think there is an important temporal element. Much of our current understanding of world history comes from Western archaeologists prancing through jungles and deserts where the relics and artifacts of ancient civilizations dangle on the brink of total obliteration from living memory. Yes, for the 18th and 19th centuries much archaeological practice could really be described as "looting" but nonetheless the whole world gained a unique and powerful understanding of human history through these archaeologists' efforts. One need only look at the Taleban's attempt to erase all physical memory of Afghanistan's non-Islamic past to see the advantages of moving archaeological finds to the West. In fact, Afghanistan is a particularly good example because Afghanistan has been a critical crossroads for several civilizations so Afghan history truly is a world history, impacting Chinese history, Indian, Iranian/Persian, Arab, Western, Greek, Roman, and the various Central Asian cultures and civs that have rumbled through Afghanistan.

I am reminded of a scene from a dream sequence episode of The Simpsons where Milhouse and Lisa are characters in ancient Egypt, c. 1300 B.C., when the Pharoah's head of the guard - Chief Wiggum - locks them into a sealed chamber in one of the Pyramids at Giza and he shouts down to them as he closes the chamber, "Say hello to the British Museum for us!" :D

There is another side to this issue though, quite separate from whether Western archaeologists should be allowed access to non-Western sites - they should - and that's whether the collections of modern Western archaeological museums should be returned to the lands from which they came. THAT I believe should happen; there is no reason modern Greece, Turkey, China, Egypt, etc. etc. etc. should not possess these artifacts from their own histories. In the case of countries like modern Afghanistan I think the West should still hang onto them until such time as they stabilize enough, but with the understanding that at some future date Afghhanistan would get these artifacts back. Just think of the lucrative market that would develop if Egypt for instance was able to re-acquire all or most of the artifacts taken from it over the past centuries; there could be a traveling exhibition of Egyptology artifacts around the world, with each museum paying to be able to display these relics for a set period. Unfortunately, many Western museums have made lots of $$$ off these artifacts and will be loathe to release or return them, but it would be a significant political gesture to do so.
 
Adler17 said:
Well Schliemann found Troy. […] Archaeology was a science, which was new. He made errors because he was not knowing it better.
Which is why modern archaeologists often leave a section of a site undug for later archaeologists with better methods.

Ah...
Those heroic rough and tumble days of early archeology! When Giovanni Belzoni (stod at 6' 8" and worked for a while as a strong man in a circus) used battering rams to open tombs in Egypt. He also gained the respect of his workmen by being able to pick up six of them at the same time and fling them several meters. (1810's)

Or when Auguste Mariette, the founder of the Egyptian Antiquities Service, blasted the lids of the sarcophagi of the holy Apis bulls with dynamite. Mariette, a red bearded strapping 6' 4" (don't now why they were such big men), cutlass in hand, once hunted down boarded the steamer of a local pascha trying to get away with some antiquities instead of handing them over to the Service. (1850's) :D
Mariette was actually working for the Egyptian government, and had he not more ancient Egyptian artifacts would probably have left the country.
 
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