Iraq Invasion : What CFC forumers thought about it in June 2002

I have found an insightful thread about Iraq posted in here in June 2002. It's actually very interesting to read what people thought about it then once we know what happened afterwards. As such, I invite you to read it by yourself :

Should the United States attack Iraq ?

rmsharpe said:

Yes, of course an attack on Iraq is justified. Any totalitarian power that refuses basic freedoms to it's people should be immedately removed by any means.

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Any regrets?

(Edit: how the hell did that happen? i quoted rmsharpe and up popped Marla, that's fudging weird)

(decided against flaming )

Clito, rmsharpe posted that in #3 post. These are important things to be accurate on.

Scuffer said:

Clito, rmsharpe posted that in #3 post. These are important things to be accurate on.

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What are you getting at?

i gotta say, many right wing people that ive talked to after the war are saying, well at the time, if we knew bush was lying, we wouldnt have supported this war, we really thought there was WMD and stuff!!

well, gosh, are these people really slow or am i some kind of genius?

cause i knew it was complete crap at the time 100%

and i knew there was gonna be a war no matter what hans blix and the UN said 100%

i even bet on it, and won!

Jawz II said:

i even bet on it, and won!

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What odds did you get? 33/1 on?

If you go to that thread, the quote 'Yes, of course an attack on Iraq is justified. Any totalitarian power that refuses basic freedoms to it's people should be immedately removed by any means.' is made by rmsharpe, not marla_singer. I realise you have to do the tags yourself, but you have assigned that quote to someone completely different.

I am pointing out your mistake and asking you to be a bit more careful.

i bet with my friend, i won about 6 us dollars, he didnt pay up

were not friends anymore but not because of him not paying, because he was a poop head


ps. i just remembered i wasnt the only one that knew, the whole EU knew

ive said it before but ill never forget when the EU spokesperson guy, came to US, talked with bush, said no thanks,well have none of that

came out of the room, to a press conference, this was in the middle of the nationalistic wave that hit america with the freedom fries and tape your house up stuff going on

EU guy: we said no, we want none of it

-american reporter guy: well what kind of prrof would it take to convince you they have WMD?

EU guy: are you serious?

-yes

EU guy: convincing ones!

Ok when why did I have to be Iraq? Aren't there worse places in the world?

Clito said:

What are you getting at?

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You quoted rmsharpe, but made it look like it was said by Marla. That's quite annoying! I advise you to change it!



Too bad, I wasn't here in june 2002...

Clito said:

Any regrets?

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lol.
Well, I wasn't posting on CFC on that time in June 2002.

By the way, I guess your point was to refer about the misquoting thread, but some people over here could believe I've actually posted so... As such, your post remains mere libelling.

Could you please edit your post in order that it couldn't be taken seriously ? I don't want to hear afterwards people saying me that I supported the war on that time when it was obviously not the case.

Stapel said:

You quoted rmsharpe, but made it look like it was said by Marla. That's quite annoying! I advise you to change it!



Too bad, I wasn't here in june 2002...

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That was a mistake. Forgive me, but don;t forgive Dubya.

Clito said:

That was a mistake. Forgive me, but don;t forgive Dubya.

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Ok sorry Clito.

Ah, the good old days at CFC

Interesting read, thanks for digging it up, Marla!

Clito said:

That was a mistake. Forgive me, but don;t forgive Dubya.

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Hey, Marla should forgive you, not me. She already did so .

BTW: I do not know what I was thinking in june 2002 exactly.
But in March 2003 I supported an invasion.

I seriously dislike the way it was done, but generally I think free democracies have a certaan right to invade nations under the rule of a brutal dictator.

Stapel said:

Hey, Marla should forgive you, not me. She already did so .

BTW: I do not know what I was thinking in june 2002 exactly.
But in March 2003 I supported an invasion.

I seriously dislike the way it was done, but generally I think free democracies have a certaan right to invade nations under the rule of a brutal dictator.

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In June 2002, I was against. In October 2002, I had few doubts. In March 2003, I was entirely against.

I also like the concept of Humanitarian interference meaning that we shouldn't lette massacres being held without doing anything. That's the main reason why I supported the war in Kosovo and I've been shocked there had been no retaliation against the Talibans untill Ossama hit the US.

Unfortunately, humanitarian interference should be wisely thought before being made. For instance, bombing massively Beijing and Shanghai because the government doesn't respect the Human Rights is a silly idea. In the case of Kosovo, I think we were too much confident towards Albanians. However, it's of course only a slight mistake when we compare it with the good that operation has brought to the region. If we hadn't do anything, maybe there would still be a war today over there.

In the case of Iraq, this is not true. It's been so badly thought that it's impossible to say it has brought more good things than bad things. The main good point being that Saddam isn't here anymore, the bad points being that the country is chaotic, it has harmed the region more than it has helped it, it has strengthen the Islam fundamentalists and Iran.

If that's a bad news, it's simply because Western powers risk to take more time now to intervene in case it's needed in next Humanitarian crisis. We shouldn't do the opposite mistake next time simply because we wouldn't want to repeat that mistake.

Gelion said:

Ok when why did I have to be Iraq? Aren't there worse places in the world?

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Question 2 is the WRONG question. it is ireelevant.

It had to be Iraq because - to quote Rumsfeldt - 'there are no good targets in Afhganistan!'

I supported the war, and partly still do. From the beginning it was obvious that it was oil we came for, but I hoped we would improve the lives of the Iraqis in the process.
My hope has suffered some setbacks though, since Bush has proven him self totally unable to win the peace, and persuade our allies to help us out in this mess.
If Bush wins the election, Im for pulling out our troops, since it's a doomed venture anyway with him as President.

Mitiu Ioan said:

I vote 'yes' - but with a BIG PROBLEM - what to do after this ??

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I have always thought that Iraq should have waited until Bin Ladin and his merry men were laid out on cold marble slabs.

And of course Mitiu notes what the real problem has been with
all this : What do we do once Saddam is gone?