Atlantis found???
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it looks interesting, if you are unfamilliar with the historical city of tartesos - Tartessos, for those whom are unfamilliar with it, matches exactley everything which Plato describes being attributed to the Atlanteans, except the 9,000 year old date
Mongoloid Cow
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Why can't people accept that Atlantis was something Plato made up? Why is it so hard???
It was based on two cities in all honesty; Helice (in Achaea) and Tartessos (in southern Spain). Everthing seems to fit with a combination of the two.
It was based on two cities in all honesty; Helice (in Achaea) and Tartessos (in southern Spain). Everthing seems to fit with a combination of the two.
Mongoloid Cow said:
actually, you tak eout Helike- apperntlly, the egyptian record the cpaital of the sea peoples- who, in addition to the Mycenaeans and minoans, whom seem to have been lopped in thier, seem to have been Western med peoples, was done in by natural disaster- and the old testiment record 'Tarshish", thier name of the city as having been done in by natural disaster as well.
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The destruction of the Gibraltar dam by earthquake created a disaster of epic proportions for the basin inhabitants, indeed, causing the worlds greatest waterfall
This will be one of the most important discoveries if it is true. I cannot imagine the sight of Atlantic Ocean pouring into the Mediterranean basin.
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The destruction of the Gibraltar dam by earthquake created a disaster of epic proportions for the basin inhabitants, indeed, causing the worlds greatest waterfall
This will be one of the most important discoveries if it is true. I cannot imagine the sight of Atlantic Ocean pouring into the Mediterranean basin.
For those who are interested
see:
http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/
Mongoloid Cow
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The fact that Helice is mentioned as the capital of the Sea Peoples should not be surprising. It was an incredibly large and powerful city in Greece, and it was the last part of Mycenaean Greece to fall to the invading Dorians (there had been a known settlement in the region around where Helice should be since at least 5000BC). It was destroyed in 378BC IIRC by an earthquake, a tidal wave and a flood (and a bizarre natural event where water gurgles up from under the land which also brings up mud, effectively burying things from underground) two weeks after the inhabitants had insulted their patron god, Poseidon. The roofs of the largest buildings in the city were supposedly still visible by the first century BC.
Dragonlord
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Mongoloid Cow said:
That's what they said about Homer and Troy too...
I'm willing to keep an open mind until someone gets conclusive proof - this latest is an interesting theory which I will take cum grano salis like all the others - including Tartessos.
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
The people who dismissed Homer though were idiots. Plato wrote about Atlantis only two or so years after Helice. Tartessos IIRC was already in decay by then. He probably put the two together for some purpose never revealed as he never finished his Atlantean works.
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
All few years Atlantis seemed to be found. Helgoland, Andes, East Prussia, Greenland, Troy, Canares, Spain, Atlantic Ocean and now Cyprus. I think it is not this found. I also think Atlantis existed. But due to Plato, as the only source we have, it was out of Gibraltar and a land as big as North Africa and Turkey. So I don´t think THAT was Atlantis.
Adler
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Mongoloid Cow said:
hmm, hard to say- in my mind, the reason he wrote the damn thing was because-
A)he wanted to prove soem obscure philosophical argument
B)The greek people may have been infatuated at the time with great cities taken by natural disasters because of Helice
now, if all of platos story is true- even how ye olde Solon went to egypt, and found out all this crap about atlantis, it still fits tartessos; because all of the egyptian records of tartessos are more or less connected with the descriptions of the sea peoples; whom obviouslly appeared to the ancient egyptians as if they ruled an empie going in Etruia in europe, and up to thier very border sof lybia in egypt, because of the apperent co-operation between the lybians, and the Sea peoples
thsi means that this par tof the story coudl very well be true, about solons venture to egypt, and the egyptian telling him this little story; of course, ther arny egy[tians records that we know of telling that the Mycenaeans had any hand in des[atcing the sea peoples, but then, that not exactley somthing you go put on your monumnets, how some other nation own a major victory who repulsed your current #1 enemy at one point; or perhaps the egyptians were just lyeing about Mycenaean Greeks driving out the Sea peoples...
samildanach
Necrophile
According to geologists the medi-terrenean flooded for the last time 5 million years ago when the land bridge at Gibralter broke. It had periodically dried out and been refilled prior to this. If the geologists are correct then there can't be a city there.
Gelion
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I have two points on the whole thing:
1. There are SO many ancient Greek and non-Greek cities flooded or immersed in water over 10000 years of known history. Hundreds if not thousands. Saying that this one (the one found) is Atlantis is like saying than any human being is American or Chinese.
2. Atlantis, according to most sources, was located West of modern day Greece. Look at the map.
1. There are SO many ancient Greek and non-Greek cities flooded or immersed in water over 10000 years of known history. Hundreds if not thousands. Saying that this one (the one found) is Atlantis is like saying than any human being is American or Chinese.
2. Atlantis, according to most sources, was located West of modern day Greece. Look at the map.
samildanach
Necrophile
For those Atlanteans out there Sarmast is appearing on the cerebral Richard and Judy Show ......TODAY!!! 
Special notice for journalists: Robert Sarmast is leaving Cyprus today, Tuesday 16th Nov, for two days. He will be appearing live on the Richard and Judy Show at 5pm in London on Wednesday 17th Nov. He may possibly be available for live media interviews in the UK earlier that day. Until he is back on Thursday afternoon 18th all calls should be directed via press officer Angela Henderson on +357 99 97 44 84 or email:
Special notice for journalists: Robert Sarmast is leaving Cyprus today, Tuesday 16th Nov, for two days. He will be appearing live on the Richard and Judy Show at 5pm in London on Wednesday 17th Nov. He may possibly be available for live media interviews in the UK earlier that day. Until he is back on Thursday afternoon 18th all calls should be directed via press officer Angela Henderson on +357 99 97 44 84 or email:
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Atlantis was west of Gibraltar. I has many names and also there are Indian legends telling a very similar story about a sunk continent in the East (Atztecs for instance). So I think it was somewhere between Europe and America. Also names of that continent are known in many languages and legends like Avalon, Albion, Atzatlan (sp?). I think there is a hard core but nothing in Europe is Atlantis.
Adler
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mitsho
Deity
As far as I know, Plato got his information about Atlantis form Egyptian Priests, and these had heard the story from their predecessors (the priests that 'guarded' the temple before them, right word?). And you all know what effect occurs when an information is carried over several generations and then is translated into a different language, and finally written down by a philosoph.
Atlantis certainly existed - because every story has something (little) true in it. But of course, it could've been anything. From Tartessos to Helgoland to Cyprus to some stone age people (sorry, I only know the German name) who invaded the meditterannean long ago and destroyed (because of their sheer masses) everything but the 'great' civilized empires of Greece and were finally stopped by a Pharao. Why, because of a natural disaster in the north.
Or Atlantis is just a mixture of these stories.
It doesn't matter. Let the people believe in it and let them search further. It's probable that they don't find Atlantis but another very important archeological site and discovery.
mfG mitsho
Atlantis certainly existed - because every story has something (little) true in it. But of course, it could've been anything. From Tartessos to Helgoland to Cyprus to some stone age people (sorry, I only know the German name) who invaded the meditterannean long ago and destroyed (because of their sheer masses) everything but the 'great' civilized empires of Greece and were finally stopped by a Pharao. Why, because of a natural disaster in the north.
Or Atlantis is just a mixture of these stories.
It doesn't matter. Let the people believe in it and let them search further. It's probable that they don't find Atlantis but another very important archeological site and discovery.
mfG mitsho
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Xen said:
Now that was a difficult post to read
even for one of yours 
He might have been trying to make a point that all the great things men do can be completely erased and destroyed by the whim of the gods in an instant. Might have been a comment on the fall of greatness. Who could say. Doesn't matter. Another possibility is that Solon was told references of Alashia (or Alakia, or something else; I'll remember the exact name eventually) which was believed to have been a kingdom on Cyprus which was destroyed and Solon misinterpreted.
@Mongoloid cow- was it alaska? 
anyway, interesting, but it dosent match up with eveything if he only meant some are on cyprus- such as how do they control Lybia, and, mor eimportantlly, europe from the gate of GIbralter, up to Eturia
anyway, interesting, but it dosent match up with eveything if he only meant some are on cyprus- such as how do they control Lybia, and, mor eimportantlly, europe from the gate of GIbralter, up to Eturia
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
I don't think in that time, there was any way an empire could stretch so far. It was just impossible with the communication and distance problems alone. It was probably more of an alliance than anything, and once they carved out their own little kingdoms they turned on each other to get more. I also have trouble believing that the Libyans and Sea Peoples were allied though. It is known that the Libyans invaded Egypt constantly (Libya is a desert wasteland, Egypt was like the Garden of Eden) and especially started full scale invasions during the reign of Ramesses III who could never defeat them. To the Egyptians, it probably just seemed like they were allied.
Alakia (or whatever it was called) was a rich kingdom of Cyprus which fell about the same time as the Sea Peoples were around. It was incredibly wealthy and influential due to its' near monopoly of copper in the Middle East during that period. There is always the chance Solon got it wrong.
Alakia (or whatever it was called) was a rich kingdom of Cyprus which fell about the same time as the Sea Peoples were around. It was incredibly wealthy and influential due to its' near monopoly of copper in the Middle East during that period. There is always the chance Solon got it wrong.
I never said they were- justthe egyptian wrote down that they were; though, keep oin mind, the se apeoples were several different groups of people acting together after all (which lead perhaps tot he multiple sub kingdom part of the Atlantean myth)
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