EQ's stNES Art of War

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I have created this to help some newbies with military planning in story NESes. I have modded in played in some of the finest story NESes on these forums and from this i base my lessons below. This does not include board NESes because board NESes do not capture true combat and planning. That is more of just ordering troops from one spot to another. This discusses the main lessons of story NESing and provides examples. When i have some extra time maps will be added as well. This will be updated as quickly and rapidly as possible.


LESSON 1: Don't Trust Anyone

This is perhaps the most important lesson to be learned in story NESing and can be applied to board NESes as well. Never trust a person because once they've gained your trust there is a good chance they are about to betray you.

EXAMPLE
NES: Return to Our Roots NES 2
War: World War 5
Campaign: Zulu invasion of Europe
Important leaders: AnarchyRulz (Zulu), uknemisis (British)

After conquering the majority of Africa, the Zulu determined that one continent was not enough and they must control Europe as well. However the Zulu suffered one major drawback. They and their pawns in the Iron Fist Alliance lacked a navy to do such and the main passes into Europe were controled by hostile Russia. They needed a navy to win the war. To this end they allied with the British Empire and gained their fleet to land in Iberia and bring African dominance to Europe. However the British leader, uknemeis determined to act in Europe's best interests. When it came down to the time of invasion the British sunk their own fleet and with it sent the majority of Zulu army to the bottom of the ocean. Those that escaped were easily mopped up by the Iberian army.
Result: Zulu were crushed and their empire would eventually become colonial possessions of Europeon and American nations for nearly 1000 years.

LESSON 2: Never focus on one Front Alone

This is a very important lesson and a mistake made by everyone at one point or another. Sometimes the mistake is neligible and won't be felt. At other times this can end your game in a hurry. If you build a defensive line or other kind of border protection make sure to protect ALL your borders or it won't matter, especially in a modern times NES.

EXAMPLE
NES: Red Alert NES
War: Versaillies War
Campaign: Rome Pact assualt on Berlin
Important Leaders: Constantine (Germany), EQandCivfanatic (Italy), blenderboy (Romania)

After the intial fighting on the Polish and German borders, the Rome Pact managed to drive the Germans back to a prepared defense line near Berlin proper. This covered the whole of the German eastern front and was highly formidable. However, they did not count on a rapid assualt through Czechslovakia which would see Italian and Romanian forces pass by the line and capture Berlin itself, and surronding the German army.

Result: The Germans detonated a nuke in Berlin damaging the Rome Pact forces. This caused revolt and an easy communist victory.
 
EQ!!! YOU don't give away Nesing secrets that easily, they have to earn it! To get me to post my secrets here will be over my dead body! ;)
 
such a thread is dishonourbale- good generals are born, not made- and to that effect, everyoen shoudl go through the same trial by fire to perfect thier own stratagems, and learn the simple lessons.
 
I agree with Xen, figure out this stuff on your own. :p Seriously, though, I think this could be useful for some of us.
 
N00bs to war, like me, need this sort of thing. Thanks EQ!
 
Trust me, my best secrets will remain secret just in case i need to crush any of you later. I am merely summarizing what a person could learn from reading an NES or two. Next installment shortly.
 
Well...in that case i give one advice to noobs:

Lesson 3

Don't tell anyone that you're going to attack them in their face when you're dealing with other troubles. Because most likely they WILL decide to strike you when you're still occupied. I have some examples, but they're top secret in the neses i'm in....
 
hows this one then

If you have internal torubles eg uprisings rebellion etc allways expect your neighbour to attack
 
Dont trust Norwegians. :) This is good wish it had been around when i started. Im pretty sure im not a noob anymore. maybe ill add one later....
 
If you have internal torubles eg uprisings rebellion etc allways expect your neighbour to attack

If you have iternal troubles AND your neighbour is fighting some other war or is otherwsie distracted, contain the rebels and attack your neighbour. He won't expect it.

In fact:

Lesson Four:

Act irrationally. Any good enemy commander will try to calculate what would be REASONABLE for you to do. Thus, when you act "unreasonably", it will be just the kind of move noone will expect.

EXAMPLE
NES: stSBNES I
War: Anglo-Boer War
Campaign: First Boer Offensive
Important leaders: das (Neuw Sudafrika), Insane_Panda (British Empire)

The British were away fighting a war in China. To secure their South African colonies, they incited a native rebellion in Neuw Sudafrika (I'm not 100% sure the British did it), expecting the Boers to fight that and be unable to strike at the Cape. The British miscalculated - the Boer leadership saw through that, and anyway, decided that the time was ripe to strike at South Africa. The initial strikes got very far into the colony, taking the British by surprise and occupying several cities. Though the British reestablished their positions and launched a counteroffensive, the Boers humiliated the British several times, decimated a Russian army sent to help the British and in the ensuing peace treaty, limited British territory in South Africa to a few minor southern ports - not including Cape Town! Britain was humiliated in the eyes of the world.

This thread is required to avoid my heart bleeding all over when I read fantasmo's orders. ;)

P.S. MOST IMPORTANT LESSON: Pick on Sheep2. He is very naive in diplomacy, or pretends to be such anyway. He also often antagonizes EVERYBODY. :lol: Examples... are too many.
 
Lesson 5-

dont trust Das as an ally ;)
 
Interesting read EQ :p Seriously :). I read some interesting things in this thread and I'd like to throw in my 2 cents.

First: Trust your allies, but do not be foolish. Every country is represented by a human being and human beings tend to remember things. If you break alliance and attack the other player he will never trust you again in a different NES. There's such a thing as reputation. I say that because NESes became more of a game than storywriting. In storywriting the person could've accpeted the other betraying him, because that made the story better. In the new games it is seen as a personal betrayal, because everyone wants to win. Well a great majority of people.

Second: "generals do their job where diplomats have failed". Diplomacy is the key instrument in wars. You do not have to be a good general if your allies fight your wars for you. It doesn't mean that your allies "work" for you without rewards. Alliances are based on what allies can do or not do to each other. Gain the trust of your neighbour and convince him that you are true and it would be better to work together. If you do that you'll have one less frontier to protect. Alliances are sensitive matters and again you have to think if you trust the person even if you did "sign the paper". Be nice, but don't be foolish.

Third:
Do not assume that your enemy will just wait for you to attack. The enemy writes orders too (if they are PC) . Try and think of what the enemy might do and account for that in your orders. Thats where das'es advice comes in handy. I had to learn it the hard way :).

OOC: Cannot resist. Das I was sort of winning against you. I had a lot of troops standing by with good battle orders for next turn. If only Panda did not sign that treaty! ;)
 
Lesson 5-

dont trust Das as an ally

Did I give you a reason not to? Though the point is correct. In fact, for your own good, don't trust Das AT ALL. EVEN as an enemy.

Another important lesson: Be sneaky and backstabbing, but ALWAYS cover it up. That way, your enemy is being dealt with via unconventional means while your prestige doesn't suffer much.

OOC: Cannot resist. Das I was sort of winning against you. I had a lot of troops standing by with good battle orders for next turn. If only Panda did not sign that treaty!

Not so sure. We stopped and bogged down your army, slaughtered a great many of your troops, all along harassing your supply lines and troops while STILL having enough troops in reserve should you break through.
 
Khem.... can you post your military orders for that time? ;)
 
The thing with allies is know your allies the same goes for knowing your enemies. However many of the players on the forums have set tendancies. For instance sheep is a meglomaniac and the best place to be is the other side of the world and just ignore him as long as possible :) but i dont think id be giving anything away if I say that im a very trustworthy ally. The best thing to do in the regards to allies is know them read nes's you arnt ina get a feel for their gameplay you will soon find out who is likely to betray
 
das said:
Did I give you a reason not to? Though the point is correct. In fact, for your own good, don't trust Das AT ALL. EVEN as an enemy.

Silly, i was making fun of you for your point 4 ;)
 
So... you're saying you trust me? Thanks!

*walks off to plan his betrayal of Xen*
 
das said:
This thread is required to avoid my heart bleeding all over when I read fantasmo's orders. ;)

What you talking bout? My battle orders are near non-existent!
 
Tyrions Lesson 1 : Be imaganitive Use different ways to defeat an enemies army. Use ambushes, guarilla warfare, hire mercenaires anything you can think of for instance:

EXAMPLE:
NES: AOHNES- The Gunpowder Revoloution
War: Russia Verses The Pope and assorted crusading forces.
Campaign: Mongol Invasion of Russia
Important Leaders: Russia (Tyrion) Mongolia (Contempt)

After an invasion and the pushing back of russian forces to Kiev resulting in the siege. Mongolian forces set up rail road supply lines to keep their forces fed. Russian Commanders hired mercenairies to attack the mongolian supply lines while russian forces outside of Kiev surrounded the mongolian siegers and wiped them out. With their supply lines cut the mongolians starved and turned to cannibalism.

Note: This Nes (As is the War) is still on if you wish to look into it.
 
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