Scenario Project: Modern/PostModern World

I've been tossing around the idea of a scenario recently, and it appeals to me enough to actually do something with. It's going to be fairly involved, and will entail multiple eras, totally new units, totally reworked tech trees, all new buildings, reworked resources, basically rebuilding the game from the ground up for a modern/future game.

I'm looking at having it start in 2100-ish, after throwing out some major world conflict, so the tech level will be approximate with today (if not a little behind). The conflict will allow me to reduce starting infracusture, and divide up today's world of 300+ nations into around 20.

The basic premise will have the US broken in two, after what is essentially a civil war. Not only will this reduce the invariable power of a consolidated US, but it allows for a catylist for the rest of the world breaking down. Most of the remaining Civs are consolidated states, and the middle east and much of africa are devestated by disease/nuclear war, so at most colonies and lots of pollution.

My current nation list:

1. United States of America (west coast, industrial belt, northeast,hawi'i, panama, puerto rico)
2. North American States (midwest, south, alaska, cuba)
3. Canada
4. Mexico (+ central america)
5. South American Union (everything west of brazil & venezeula)
6. Venezuela (+ Guyianas & rest of carribbean)
7. Brazil
8. European Union (+ turkey + ukraine + central europe)
9. Switzerland
10. Russia (+ belarus)
11. Equatorial Africa ( west and northwest africa)
12. South Africa (+ west africa + madagascar)
13. (former soviet asian republics + afganistan + pakistan + mongolia)
14. India (+ nepal)
15. China (+ laos + cambodia + vietnam)
16. South Korea
17. Japan
18. Indonesia (+ malaysia + bangladesh)
19. Pacific Union (australia + new zeland + phillipenes + taiwan + singapore)

I'll need lots of help from the community to make this one work, and I was wondering who was interested in joining the project. Any help on the background storyline and basic concept and pretty much anything else is greatly welcomed, feel free to post of IM me. And if you'd be interested in a larger form of participation, I'm looking for all sorts of different modders, as I'l; need pretty much everything redone for this to work.

So, comments? suggestions? I know that this community won't dissapoint, and I eagerly await any thoughts and help you have.

Silver

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This is interesting...
But there is one thing I have to know: What do you think about the US as it is today? I have a lot of ideas that will be very interesting to you if we agree about this, and which you will definately NOT want to hear if we don't.

edit: you should use one of those world maps where the US and Europe is unnaturally large and where Canada is quite small...

So, what are you basically looking for? The idea how things would go or just fututre units/advances/techs?

Hey, well who says Canada won't be one of the world's greatest superpowers by then? In that case it would be important not to change Canada's size on the map.
Of course what nations are how powerful is all up to Silver in the end.

*Actually (and this may just be wishful thinking now) It would be neat if Canada was powerful. You already have the US divided and weakened. So why not continue the trend - turn things around a bit. It would be quite interesting.

But anyway, good luck with your scenario.

Cuba? A part of America? I don't think so buddy! Maybe Mexico, but not Cuba!

(Why not renaming the North American States to Jesusland )

Then let's divide Canada in two pieces too... One would be French Canada and another would be English Canada. Sorry, have no idea how you guys think of it, but that's the way I heard it in travel agency... so French Canada would be very independent and English Canada would be leaning towards joining US... or something like this.

Well let's say 'french Canada' did seperate. Having the francophones as part of Canada is still not what is keeping us anglophones from joining the U.S.
Of course, this is a fictional scenario and things could change a century from now. (But it hasn't changed this past century, or the century before that...)

Oh, and just a possible scenario:

Let's say 2040ish the Oil market crashes (when is about when is predicted it will all run out) and the oil-reliant America loses drastic amounts of power and a revolution insues that last for ten years. The rest of the world, which are reliant on America to some extent goes through a dark age until about the year of this game.

lets have robots...get all the Total Annhilation units converted out

Wow, where did all this interest come from? I posted this three days ago, nothing, and now this.

Cool.

if u r going to use animated LH u can use some of them I did, check my home page to find all the links: www.geocities.com/civ_army_1994 . President Lula of Brazil and President Bush of US are there (Lula ready and Bush under construcion). I also did other leaders of coutries in your list (Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, many Latin American leaders, South Africa and other) the modern age of these LHs could fit to your scenario I also did severals units and wonders, many of them of the Modern Era. well, all this material is available to u use if u have interest
some stuff that I see and I'd like to comment:
- why Cuba is toghter with part of US?
- maybe u could separete US in Red/Blue state and join Canada to Blue state. maybe separete Quebec.
- Maybe Iraq could be a entire civilization, not toghter with "Arabbian" World.
- I think I didn't see Israel like a civ... or I'm wrong.

good work!

Well, I was a little worried, I'm glad to see there is some interest in this after all.

How about I answer these one point at a time, so as to perhaps clear up some points.

What do you think about the US as it is today? I have a lot of ideas that will be very interesting to you if we agree about this, and which you will definately NOT want to hear if we don't.

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Heh, well, you'll find me remarkably open to speculative fiction, and very little in the US political climate can move me from my apathy any more. So if you have some ideas, please, share them, I promise I wont get angry.

So, what are you basically looking for? The idea how things would go or just fututre units/advances/techs?

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Well, I'm looking for anything you have to contribute. Ideas on the story, ideas for units, actual units, comments on scenario making, anything.

Hey, well who says Canada won't be one of the world's greatest superpowers by then?

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My oh my, a Canadian! ('eh!) In all truth I hadn't considered canada much as of yet, but it would make sense to me that Canada would more than likely become more of a international player with US instability. especially when armed forces are considered. It's not much fun to be unarmed when you have a major conflict to the south!

Cuba? A part of America? I don't think so buddy! Maybe Mexico, but not Cuba!

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Well, not willingly, perhaps, but if the militant (and much stronger) NAS were to "liberate" the Cuban people from those nasty Commu-terrorists, who would stop them? Cuba is a conquered and occupied nation.

As to the Jesusland vs USofCanada comment, I considered it, and that was actually part of my mental genesis for the US split. You'll notice that the division lines are almost the same as the national election results.

Then let's divide Canada in two pieces too

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I considered this early on, but after some though, I decided that the liklihood of a Canadia split was slim, especially with addtional problems "south of the border" 'sides, evidently some people here would prefer a stronger (unified) Canada.

Let's say 2040ish the Oil market crashes (when is about when is predicted it will all run out) and the oil-reliant America loses drastic amounts of power and a revolution insues that last for ten years. The rest of the world, which are reliant on America to some extent goes through a dark age until about the year of this game.

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Well, I'm leaning towards the US split as the catalyst for major change and a "dark age" as you put it, but the oil issue will certainly be an integral factor.

lets have robots!

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Quite possible, probably not till later on in the tech tree, but I would like to home some significantly advanced weaponry eventually.

- Maybe Iraq could be a entire civilization, not toghter with "Arabbian" World.
- I think I didn't see Israel like a civ... or I'm wrong.

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Yes, due to significant nuclear exchange after the withdrawl of consolidated US support, none of the middle eastern governments are really consequential, that is to say, in existance. I may have some colonies and perhaps a few small cities in the middle east, but for the most part, it's going to be some rebels, some desert, and a LOT of pollution. And thanks for the leaderhead offer, but I think I'm going to use animated flags in place of leaderheads.

Well, I hope that clears up some questions, keep the comments coming, I love to hear them!.

As the game opens-up, there should be absolutely no oil resources anywhere (as it has all been used-up by then, triggering global economic catastrophe, American civil war, full-scale nuclear annihilation in the middle-east and so on and so forth). Everyone should begin with just a handfull of old tanks and warships, and no ability to build more, meaning that wars early in the game would be somewhat limited. Eventually, you should be able to research a tech called 'cold fusion' or 'hydrogen fuel cells,' which allows you to build tanks / ships / missiles without oil.

BTW, it seems far more likely that the Koreas would be reunited by then, rather than having North Korea as a part of China

I think you should refer to a book called The Third Millennium; A History of the World: AD 2000-3000 done by Brian Stableford and David Langford. It was written in the 80's but I found that many of the predicted statistics in it were actually fairly on the mark when refering to the state of the world in 2000. I figure it could give you some ideas about future units, concepts and technologies. For example, in the late 21st century the development and mass production of inter-continental, accurate and inexpensive cruise missiles render nuclear ICBM's obsolete as a swarm of them can do as much destruction as an ICBM without the costs, manpower and environmental damage. There are also new resources that are in the book.

Let me think... the USA is parted in two and the borders are the ones of the latest presidential election? That must mean that we have a Liberal and a Conservative America. And when the Second Civil War split this country in two, a lot of people must have fled to the part where they wanted to be. So the only people living in the Conservative part must be those in power, the rich (the same as the first group), the fundamentalist parts of the middle class, those of the lower classes who are too busy eating fast food to realise what is going on, and of course a few million prisoners. Actually most people would be in prison at that time... if the number of prisoners increases as dramatically in the next decades as they did in the last, then all Americans will either be in prison or working in a prison by the year of 2050. Of course that's not going to happen, but I think it's a quite interesting thought (new improvement: Prison Factory, +200% production ???). Actually the Conservative America should just be a caricature of America as it is today.
To be fair, the other America should be just like the left wants it (the fact that American Liberals are refered to as "the left" says a lot about how right-wing America is) - there is no reason to make a mod where all Americans are just like I once believed they all are. It would actually be funny to have an America where Michael Moore wouldn't be able to think of something to complain about...

And yes, Canada could be powerful... that would actually be quite interesting (and they do have a lot of weapons now anyway).

I also got an idea about oil. I like the idea that there shouldn't be any oil, but wouldn't it be better if there were just a little oil and if oil had an extremely high (dis)appearance ratio. The result of this would be that your civ could find a little oil on some island, which would then disappear the next turn (because there were so little that it was used in one turn). The oil would then re-appear another place and make it possible for another civ to build good ships, tanks etc. for a short while. This would make military strength very random in the beginning of the game. And people would have to use a lot of workers to get the oil, so it would be very expensive. Just like it would in the real world.

About South America and Cuba: I think the Democratic/Reformist Socialists of South America deserves another chance. If you do give them a chance, their capital should be Santiago de Chile - and maybe their leader could be a descendant of Salvador Allende. Then the Socialists could still have Cuba - but with a lot of Conservative American troops at Guantanamo Bay. Havana should be extremely badly defended. This would make sure that Cons.Amr. invades the city and that they will be at war with the Socialists, which would be quite realistic.

The European Union could be a bureaucratic Technocracy, which have tried to isolate itself from the conflicts of the rest of the world, and therefore
still has a decently working economy. However, they do not have a large military, but that could quickly change if they could get a supply of oil...
I think Switzerland better start building some defensive units... The borders of the EU could easily be further to the east. Perhaps Russia could be parted in two by a civil war... the part west of the Ural Mountains could have joined the EU a few decades ago (though still not being as rich as the western part of the Union). The parts of Russia east of the Ural Mountains could be owned partly by an independent Republic (or perhaps some Communists) and partly by some Barbarian warlords. This would make Russia one of the few places on the map where there is space for new cities... except for the Middle East, but that would require a lot of pollution to be removed.

The map should also be adjusted for the effects of global warming. Have higher sea levels in some areas and reduce the amount of tundra in Canada, Russia and Greenland. There should also be wide spread desertification in Mexico, the American south-west and a very severe desert (no oases) in the middle-east.

EDIT: Actually, in the context of this scenario, it's not inconceivable that Canada could be a major power for a number of reasons. First of all, in the event of the break-up of the United States, Canada would almost certainly recieve a great many skilled refugees fleeing the war. The anarchy to the South would force Canada to build-up its military to maintain order and to fend off any raids by American warlords (especially considering that Canada isn't exactly the most popular country among US conservatives). Canada's population would also increase as a result of people fleeing from the ongoing bloodbath in Africa and the Middle East. Global warming too would serve to make Canada more habitable, and increase access to vast untapped oil reserves (which are currently too expensive to exploit) in the North, and this oil would be worth a great deal.

I just got an idea: Maybe rebels could try to re-unite California with Mexico... or maybe they could have done it already and the Americans could be trying to take back the state...